Mini 1102 - Rivertown Mafia (Game Over!)

[Umbrage]

@ InflatablePie:

Point #1:

You're saying that I'm scum because I pointed out tells on everybody. Suspecting everybody is just about the most pro-town thing you can do.

ortiz: I said I was trying to see the case on him, and I still am, because everyone else has called him scummy as various points in the game. Obviously, I'm starting to feel that I'm missing something. Obviously, I would want to understand why other find him scummy.
Cyberbob: I believe I've made my problems with him clear, but I don't find him scummy. There is a difference between a player you dislike, and a player you find scummy.
ThAdmiral: I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. Lurking isn't a scumtell IMO, but neither is it pro-town.
chamber: Not seeing how a gut read is scummy.
Furcolow: I am either the only player or one of few players (can't remember which) that has spoken out against the lynching of lurkers and VIs in this game.
el simo: Again, I don't see your point.
InflatablePie: IMO, there is nothing wrong with noting connections between players. Signs of buddying and distancing are standard tells.
sorasgoof: No problem here that I see.
Olinea: No problem here that I see.
ThirdKoopa: Again, gut reads aren't scummy. Our subconscious tells us things our conscious will miss.
TheLonging: Again, I have NEVER advocated a Lynch All Lurkers policy.

Point #2:

I haven't elaborated on sorasgoof because there is nothing new to add. I've made my case, and nobody has responded with a defence requiring my judgement.

Point #3:

As I've said before, Fugitive is getting a free ride in this game due to his shitty 'softclaim'. Any time I mention the obvious fact that he's scummy, I get "OMG ROLEFISHING SCUM!11". I'm sick of it. This connects with my previous point that some players in this game have been above suspicion.

Point #4:

I find it very amusing that NOBODY suspected I was scum with 3K until I pointed it out. Read over the thread if you don't believe me. In fact, I was called town for pointing you towards sorasgoof.

Point #5:

IN WHAT UNIVERSE IS FURCOLOW AN EASIER LYNCH THAN SORASGOOF???????

Point #6:

My bad. I thought my vote was on Fugitive. Cue the "OMG HE LOST TRACK OF HIS VOTE HE MUST BE TEH SCUMZ QUICKLYNCH PLZ!!111". Oh wait... LOSING TRACK OF YOUR VOTE IS NOT A FUCKING SCUMTELL!!!!!!!!!

[el simo]

Great two votes hopped off TK now we are no where near a lynch. We need to stop arguing and compromise on a lynch or we won't get one.

I want Sora gone but as I've stated I could go with 3K should push come to shove.

[InflatablePie]

You're saying that I'm scum because I pointed out tells on everybody. Suspecting everybody is just about the most pro-town thing you can do.

Not always. Actually, I find someone that's suspicious of the entire playerbase kind of scummy, depending on the context.

I haven't elaborated on sorasgoof because there is nothing new to add. I've made my case, and nobody has responded with a defence requiring my judgement.

You went from being sure he was scum and having nothing change your mind -> completely forgetting about him. At least when I switched off 3K I had my reasons, you just dropped this entirely.

As I've said before, Fugitive is getting a free ride in this game due to his shitty 'softclaim'. Any time I mention the obvious fact that he's scummy, I get "OMG ROLEFISHING SCUM!11". I'm sick of it. This connects with my previous point that some players in this game have been above suspicion.

Yes, but you only find him suspicious because of his softclaim? Besides, what reason would scum have for softclaiming? It's actually a much more pro-town thing to do. More pro-town than someone drawing attention to a softclaim for sure.

I find it very amusing that NOBODY suspected I was scum with 3K until I pointed it out. Read over the thread if you don't believe me. In fact, I was called town for pointing you towards sorasgoof.

True. But just because you mentioned it doesn't make it any less likely, it's a WIFOM situation. Why would scum point out he might be scum with another player? They wouldn't. But then that's expected, so I'm going to do the opposite and point this out, etc etc..

IN WHAT UNIVERSE IS FURCOLOW AN EASIER LYNCH THAN SORASGOOF???????

In this one. Soras topped at maybe what... three votes? Fur is rapidly gaining in votes and has been under suspicion for longer than soras, I believe.

LOSING TRACK OF YOUR VOTE IS NOT A FUCKING SCUMTELL!!!!!!!!!

Oh, I wasn't trying to imply it was a scumtell, I've lost track of my vote before. No need to get so mad about it though.

Great two votes hopped off TK now we are no where near a lynch. We need to stop arguing and compromise on a lynch or we won't get one.

That's what I've been saying. By my count (check the votals yourself too), we were at 3/3/3 on the leading wagons. My switch makes it 4/3/2, does it not? So we're closer to a lynch.

I know you're not feeling a fur lynch, but you won't settle for an Umbrage lynch either? I can switch back to 3K if there's slightly more support there; he's not contributing as much lately so either of these lynches work for me.

[sorasgoof]

@Pie: More important things have come up than defending stupid arguments in a mafia game. They're SO stupid, I don't even remember what they are. So, no. I probably won't do it anymore. Lynch me if you wish.

@Fugitive: I am agreeing with Furcolow's feelings in his post. It's like, who even cares anymore.

[Cyberbob]

yeah I'm done with voting Fur for now I guess I just really

really

wish he'd pull his head in and stop saying stupid things that effectively act as smokescreening

Unvote, Vote: ThirdKoopa

Pie bussing Umbrage hard though if I thought a lynch on either of them was possible today I'd be right on them instead

don't much like el simo pushing the deadline paranoia thing + the "I want x gone but if I

really have to

would go with y" thing either

[InflatablePie]

@Pie: More important things have come up than defending stupid arguments in a mafia game. They're SO stupid, I don't even remember what they are. So, no. I probably won't do it anymore. Lynch me if you wish.

..................you need a noose or a bullet or a knife or SOMETHING. It's too bad it's way too late to get a wagon started on you. Tomorrow's another day though.

yeah I'm done with voting Fur for now I guess I just really

really

wish he'd pull his head in and stop saying stupid things that effectively act as smokescreening

Unvote, Vote: ThirdKoopa

I'd switch back to 3K now that I have more support on him, but I have a feeling you'd just switch off if I did so, so fuck it.

[sorasgoof]

Hell, hit me with all three. Stick me in the gas chamber, too.

[el simo]

don't much like el simo pushing the deadline paranoia thing + the "I want x gone but if I

really have to

would go with y" thing either

Yeah well I'd rather get down to business than faff about people who are a lot less likely to be today's lynches. Also you are taking my 3K comment out of context, I've stated all of the latter day that he is suspicious and the only reason he dropped on my list was my suspicion of Sugar Pie Ip Man 5000. It's not, if I really have to, it's I have no problem lynching my 2nd target over no one.

[Fugitive]

unvote

Again, fur is not taking off. If he doesn't have a chance of being lynched today I won't waste any more time on him. I'd really prefer a CB or Fur lynch to anyone else, but in this circumstance my favorite vote for a plausible lynch is

vote: sorasgoof

. I'm not going to pretend to pull out some sort of original reasoning here, it was mostly just a gut read coupled by valid points later on brought up by others, mostly el simo, who I view as the most town player. And with the deadline so close, I'd rather have a lynch than waste it.

@Umbrage - you still haven't responded to my last post. kthx.

Is chamber V/LA or something? I don't even know that he's posted since I replaced in and he's not even being considered as scum by anyone because of the inactivity. Granted, I don't think he's scum from what I read early on, but he still needs to post.

On a side note, I think we have 3 players that have just given up. That's pretty absurd and entirely annoying to sign up for a mafia game where 1/4 of the players don't even care about playing mafia. I'd expect this on an off site game, but on Mafiascum? You guys should replace out or something.

[el simo]

Hell, hit me with all three. Stick me in the gas chamber, too.

Stop fucking crying I'm the ONLY ONE voting you ffs. Stop being a hopeless bum and play the damned game. You signed up for this now see it through.

[InflatablePie]

Sugar Pie Ip Man 5000

Are you going to keep calling me this? Because this one I like. Ip Man was getting old.

On a side note, I think we have 3 players that have just given up. That's pretty absurd and entirely annoying to sign up for a mafia game where 1/4 of the players don't even care about playing mafia. I'd expect this on an off site game, but on Mafiascum? You guys should replace out or something.

^

Stop being a hopeless bum and play the damned game. You signed up for this now see it through.

^


soras is a good vote, but I'd much rather go with 3K or Umby right now.

[Fugitive]

Hell, hit me with all three. Stick me in the gas chamber, too.

Stop fucking crying I'm the

ONLY ONE voting you ffs

. Stop being a hopeless bum and play the damned game. You signed up for this now see it through.

OMGULIAR+1SCUM

But seriously, soras needs more votes. He's much scummier than 3k. I've seen the whiny scum meta too much to blow this off now as probably town whining.

[el simo]

Right, didn't see your post before I posted.

[sorasgoof]

Hell, hit me with all three. Stick me in the gas chamber, too.

Stop fucking crying I'm the ONLY ONE voting you ffs. Stop being a hopeless bum and play the damned game. You signed up for this now see it through.

People like you make me not want to play this game.

[sorasgoof]

@Fugitive: You want to know why I want to be lynched? I guess I want to show everyone that people make up "scum tells," because I'm not scum. You know that "whiny scum meta" you talk about? That doesn't even apply here, anyway. When I'm scum, I don't even play the game at all. I lurk for days or weeks at a time. I threaten replacement. I'm just pissed off in this game, mostly at people like el simo and Umbrage that have some sort of elitist attitude; I think you guys deserve to learn a little about the game and rethink everything you think you know. Lynch me, see I'm a Vanilla Townie (yes, that's my claim. inb4 scum claim), feel stupid.

If I'm lynched, DO NOT let anyone say anything along the lines of, "But he was acting so scummy! I was sure he was scum!" I'm sure many people will do this, and if you REALLY look at my posts, you'll see they weren't really so scummy after all.

[sorasgoof]

EBWOTP: I think I've done my job as a Vanilla Townie, anyway. Like I said before, check any of the games on my wiki; I am a scum target every Day 1. I tend to draw people out with my Day 1 play, so before you start telling me to play the game, think about what I may have contributed under the surface/behind the scenes.

[sorasgoof]

think about what I may have contributed under the surface/behind the scenes.

Oh, and under the hood.

[Fugitive]

How about a list of scum then? And maybe a one sentence summary per player.

[InflatablePie]

That's two claims today. I say we lynch soras or Fur today so as not to out any more claims. We can take care of 3K or Umbrage tomorrow.

Unvote, Vote: sorasgoof

HoS: Umbrage

FoS: 3k/oritz

How about a list of scum then? And maybe a one sentence summary per player.

^

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soras, your play in this game has consisted of 75%+ being overdefensive and whining about being called scum, and giving reasons such as "these reasons are bullshit" for why you're town, with no further explanation. And then you sacrifice yourself, because that's totally playing to a town wincon, right? Then you wonder why people attack you every game.


I know I attacked Umbrage for jumping on the easy lynch of Fur (because Fur was saying he wanted to be lynched) and I'm now voting for an "easy lynch" in soras. However, due to the fact that we have two claims already, and both are high wagons, IMO we need to decide on one of these two now. If soras (or even fur) hadn't claimed, I'd still be pushing for Umbrage or 3K. =/

And I'd rather lynch soras than fur, by far.

[Cyberbob]

I'd switch back to 3K now that I have more support on him, but I have a feeling you'd just switch off if I did so, so fuck it.

lmao

[el simo]

Hell, hit me with all three. Stick me in the gas chamber, too.

Stop fucking crying I'm the ONLY ONE voting you ffs. Stop being a hopeless bum and play the damned game. You signed up for this now see it through.

People like you make me not want to play this game.

People like YOU make me want to run around Bosnia shooting everything that breathes.

[sorasgoof]

umadbro?

[sorasgoof]

Hell, hit me with all three. Stick me in the gas chamber, too.

Stop fucking crying I'm the ONLY ONE voting you ffs. Stop being a hopeless bum and play the damned game. You signed up for this now see it through.

People like you make me not want to play this game.

People like YOU make me want to run around Bosnia shooting everything that breathes.

Let me rephrase this: People like you make me play the way I do.

[el simo]

What, I make you play scummy?

[Fugitive]

I know I attacked Umbrage for jumping on the easy lynch of Fur (because Fur was saying he wanted to be lynched) and I'm now voting for an "easy lynch" in soras. However, due to the fact that we have two claims already, and both are high wagons, IMO we need to decide on one of these two now. If soras (or even fur) hadn't claimed, I'd still be pushing for Umbrage or 3K. =/

This feels over cautious and prematurely defensive to me, qualifying your actions like that. The "I know I said this but I'm not being a hypocrite because..."

It's kind of like a sophisticated inb4 so you can do something suspicious but claim it's not suspicious.

I'd switch back to 3K now that I have more support on him, but I have a feeling you'd just switch off if I did so, so fuck it.

lmao

Content please.

Hell, hit me with all three. Stick me in the gas chamber, too.

Stop fucking crying I'm the ONLY ONE voting you ffs. Stop being a hopeless bum and play the damned game. You signed up for this now see it through.

People like you make me not want to play this game.

People like YOU make me want to run around Bosnia shooting everything that breathes.

Content please, guys.

umadbro?

Cool, this is productive and mature.