Open 268: Raise the White Flag (Game Over)

[bvoigt]

Who do you have a strong town read on then?

Good point, there really isn't anyone I have an overly strong read on.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 3.01

Not Voting (7) - andrew94, bvoigt, Chaotic Neutrality, Lindisfarne, rekirtS, silverbullet999, SnakePlissken

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, January 15, 11:59 PM EST (UTC-5).

[andrew94]

DON'T SELF HAMMER AS TOWN!!

Anyway, I still think Snake is scum, and probably rekirtS. However, I'm wondering why the scum killed Stefunny. I certainly didn't have a strong town read on her, and it didn't seem like she was heavily accusing anyone.

this post is heavily scummy. ill explain when i get back from my new years friends trips

[silverbullet999]

-andrew

why is your name in the list silverbullet,,,

Answered by CN

-bvoi

DON'T SELF HAMMER AS TOWN!!

there's some instances where a self hammer as town is beneficial, I did it once as the day really would have ended in a no lynch..
this game had no justification for chkflip to do that though...

[andrew94]

the post 'dont self hammer as town' is redundant? scum saying it to appear to be able to say something.
nk random speculation. FRAMING???



also, im liking a lindis + bvoight scumteam.
lindis just says ' dude i already answered the question' but i say 'the answer aint good enough'

[Chaotic Neutrality]

These are the lynches, broken down by

known townies

and

people who were on both wagons.

Also of note,

Snake

, who avoided voting both times. I have replaced the original names with the names of their replacements for the purpose of tally keeping.

Vote Count 2.09

chkflip

(5) -

Lindisfarne, Chaotic Neutrality, bvoigt,

silverbullet999,

chkflip

silverbullet999 (1) - andrew94

Not Voting (3) - rekirtS,

SnakePlissken

,

Stefunny

Vote Count 1.05

werewolf555

(6) -

yabbaguy

,

Chaotic Neutrality, bvoigt,

rekirtS,

chkflip

,

Lindisfarne

Lindisfarne

(2) - andrew94,

werewolf555

chkflip

(1) - silverbullet999

SnakePlissken

(1) -

Stefunny

Not Voting (1) -

SnakePlissken

Everyone in purple is suspect, obviously (I know I'm on the list). Thoughts on the wagons tomorrow when I wake up (probably around 11 or noon).

why is your name in the list silverbullet,,,

Answered by CN

No seriously, explain. I'm not understanding.

[andrew94]

i think its suppposed to be 'answered by stiker'

[Lindisfarne]

First off, no one vote. Period.

If one townie votes, the three scum could quickly vote in on it and game over. It's a low chance of the timing on that happening in scum's favor but it is still not a risk that should be taken regardless.

woot 2 games day started at once.


lindis, ...
i dont like ur last post. it was like full of mathemathic fluff

One: After the shit position we are in you are happy that the day started on two games at once? Way to have your priorities off the mark.

Two: You don't like...."mathematic fluff"? What? I posted WHY a no lynch was a fail idea and why the math supported it. Beg your pardon, from now on ill just throw shit out there and not back up what I say with anything circumstantial.

CHKFLIP has received a spot on my "People to not play with" list for that shit. Townies should NEVER self vote. Period. End of story. That honestly pisses me off.

-all
Those who didn't vote are being thrown on my town list for the day (unless they do something incredibly scummy) as I refuse to believe that town would fail this bad... (though I guess it's slightly possible...). I'd ask that one of these 4 be the lynch for today (though again feel free to investigate all) Lindisfarne, Chaotic Neutrality, bvoigt, silverbullet999.

Uh no, we don't have the freedom to be narrowminded. The whole problem I have is this: "I'd ask that one of these 4 be the lynch for today" It doesn't sit well with me. This could very well be our last damn day, it's time for EVERYONE to be scrutinized. I plan on reviewing every post from everyone. Your point is endorsing the focus on 4 people (although normally I would agree with your statement, we are in no position to have tunnel vision).

Bvoigt and CN were the two I was thinking of after the flip.

First off: cool name
Secondly: Why? Reason's please? We really don't have very much to analyze from you from d2, so the more verbose you are the better.

Anyway, I still think Snake is scum, and probably rekirtS.

Again: why? reasons rule here folks!

However, I'm wondering why the scum killed Stefunny. I certainly didn't have a strong town read on her, and it didn't seem like she was heavily accusing anyone.

Scum kill the ones whose deaths benefit them the most. I didn't have a strong ANYTHING read on her, honestly she was kind of fading to the back of my mind. But she wasn't heavily accusing people, as you said. Only bit I can gather is they killed someone who wouldn't help give us anything to work with.

there's some instances where a self hammer as town is beneficial, I did it once as the day really would have ended in a no lynch..

That is virtually the ONLY reason, and even then it is debatable if it is a GOOD reason or not (I honestly think NO).

the post 'dont self hammer as town' is redundant?

No, its the sign of someone pissed off. Any townie should be, since it essentially put us in LYLO. He could have at least TRIED to fight it. I'm surprised you arn't phased by it honestly.

nk random speculation. FRAMING???

What?

also, im liking a lindis + bvoight scumteam.
lindis just says ' dude i already answered the question' but i say 'the answer aint good enough'

First: you lynch a scum first before you start pairing teams, seriously how many mafia games have you played?

Second: I gave my reasons why bvoigt was slightly less scummy than chk in post 194. you say its contradictory, then theres back and forth and finally I say I already answered the question. Also, you never say "the answer aint good enough" as you quoted yourself.

CN:

I like how you pointed that out, the highlighting is interesting. I hadn't noticed Snake/cookie wasn't voting either time.

@EVERYONE

Who finds CN and myself at the top of your scumlists. Im not meaning "everyone on yesterday's lynch", but us two in particular?

Also, apologies if I'm being a bit of an ass. This game is playing out like shit. The setup is interesting, and I think we have a good bout of players, but it's too high of a likelihood for scum to win. It needs either 12 players, or an investigative town role (hell, even a one shot cop is better than nothing).

[bvoigt]

Anyway, I still think Snake is scum, and probably rekirtS.

Again: why? reasons rule here folks!

Check my ISOs #7 and #13.

[andrew94]

First off, no one vote. Period.

If one townie votes, the three scum could quickly vote in on it and game over. It's a low chance of the timing on that happening in scum's favor but it is still not a risk that should be taken regardless.

errr. OK LETS NEVER VOTE AND NO LYNCH REALLY GOOD IDEA HERE MATE /end rant. as you said, the chance of 3 scums jumping on before the original unvotes is minimal, heck he could even be voting scum. 2ndly, no scum is brave enough to attempt a 3 person quickhammer, which will reveal their entire team if they fail. this isnt like the newbie lylo's

woot 2 games day started at once.


lindis, ...
i dont like ur last post. it was like full of mathemathic fluff

One: After the shit position we are in you are happy that the day started on two games at once? Way to have your priorities off the mark.

because i only had like 1 game in day and the rest was in night?

Two: You don't like...."mathematic fluff"? What? I posted WHY a no lynch was a fail idea and why the math supported it. Beg your pardon, from now on ill just throw shit out there and not back up what I say with anything circumstantial.

no mate, im pretty sure i KNOW what mylo is, why its bad, why you dont no lynch the day before potential lylo etc, so you just saying it looks like fluff to me

CHKFLIP has received a spot on my "People to not play with" list for that shit. Townies should NEVER self vote. Period. End of story. That honestly pisses me off.

i thought you would be dancing in joy. o wait... pretending

-all
Those who didn't vote are being thrown on my town list for the day (unless they do something incredibly scummy) as I refuse to believe that town would fail this bad... (though I guess it's slightly possible...). I'd ask that one of these 4 be the lynch for today (though again feel free to investigate all) Lindisfarne, Chaotic Neutrality, bvoigt, silverbullet999.

Uh no, we don't have the freedom to be narrowminded. The whole problem I have is this: "I'd ask that one of these 4 be the lynch for today" It doesn't sit well with me. This could very well be our last damn day, it's time for EVERYONE to be scrutinized. I plan on reviewing every post from everyone. Your point is endorsing the focus on 4 people (although normally I would agree with your statement, we are in no position to have tunnel vision).

only thing i agree with

the post 'dont self hammer as town' is redundant?

No, its the sign of someone pissed off. Any townie should be, since it essentially put us in LYLO. He could have at least TRIED to fight it. I'm surprised you arn't phased by it honestly.

o SURE. so everyone type 'dont self hammer as town, and they are all confirmed townies? ever heard of reverse wiki?

nk random speculation. FRAMING???

What?

whoever speculated on why stefunny died may be trying to frame someone. ill read stefunnys iso later

also, im liking a lindis + bvoight scumteam.
lindis just says ' dude i already answered the question' but i say 'the answer aint good enough'

First: you lynch a scum first before you start pairing teams, seriously how many mafia games have you played?

i played a lot. im just saying if one of you flips scum, the other....

Second: I gave my reasons why bvoigt was slightly less scummy than chk in post 194. you say its contradictory, then theres back and forth and finally I say I already answered the question. Also, you never say "the answer aint good enough" as you quoted yourself.

the answer is not good enough. your like on of those ppl that make a wall of suspects, and vote the one that seems to be less reasons for???

ur last sentence: mate.. i was gonna say town reaction but the word 'acting' came to me

bolded bits are mine, im lazy

[Chaotic Neutrality]

lindis, ...
i dont like ur last post. it was like full of mathemathic fluff

I had done the math myself, but I still find his post important and relevant. It means today we can't screw up.

i dont like ur last post. it was like full of defensive fluff

-all
Those who didn't vote are being thrown on my town list for the day (unless they do something incredibly scummy) as I refuse to believe that town would fail this bad...

Towns have failed that bad in the past. Remember, at day one, it took 6 to lynch. That means that even if every scum was on werewolf's wagon,

at least

half of the wagoners were town. Examining the lynch party is used as a method of shortening the workload, nothing more. It is by no means a surefire way to catch scum.

Right now my top suspect is bvoigt. He's the third person on each lynch, and not only that, but both times as a follower, not a case maker. It really seems to me as if he is riding the coat tails of the bigger speakers whenever they are wrong. Infact the

only

reason he stopped making his weak case on Cookie/Snake is to unvote and vote with the wagon. I'd like to point out that Snake and Bv have been tunneling each other all game, without actually stepping up to the plate and nailing a case, and without seriously chasing each other down. Snake has refused a strong read on anyone all game. Not to get too far ahead of myself, but I believe Bv and Snake are scumbuddies.

I'm pretty sure Lind is town, as (1) scum don't normally spend that much time making cases on townies and (2) he lead the lynch, quite boldly, something that scum wouldn't do, because naturally that puts pressure on them the next day. He's the only person I trust as town. I could see cases for Bv-Snake scum with Andrew, SB, or Striker.

I'm very tempted to vote Bv right now, and if it wasn't MyLo, I would be voting.

[andrew94]

Lylo..


im know i know the maths of when it is lylo or mylo. if you guys dont know it, i have nothing to say

[andrew94]

^the 2nd sentence i was talking to lindis

[silverbullet999]

-CN

No seriously, explain. I'm not understanding.

ummm... your post...
*double checks*
oh wait i'm dumb... it was reskirts post...
.. post 274 in the game

I could see cases for Bv-Snake scum with Andrew, SB, or Striker.

Can we see these cases good sir?

-Lind

Who finds CN and myself at the top of your scumlists. Im not meaning "everyone on yesterday's lynch", but us two in particular?

I don't... well not you... though bravo for one hell of an act if you are.. CN i'm not sure of at the moment

[SnakePlissken]

DON'T SELF HAMMER AS TOWN!!

Anyway, I still think Snake is scum, and probably rekirtS. However, I'm wondering why the scum killed Stefunny. I certainly didn't have a strong town read on her, and it didn't seem like she was heavily accusing anyone.

I can only assume because I had a vote on and that makes me preynlater on, but you'd already know that wouldn't you?

[bvoigt]

Right now my top suspect is bvoigt. He's the third person on each lynch, and not only that, but both times as a follower, not a case maker. It really seems to me as if he is riding the coat tails of the bigger speakers whenever they are wrong. Infact the

only

reason he stopped making his weak case on Cookie/Snake is to unvote and vote with the wagon. I'd like to point out that Snake and Bv have been tunneling each other all game, without actually stepping up to the plate and nailing a case, and without seriously chasing each other down. Snake has refused a strong read on anyone all game. Not to get too far ahead of myself, but I believe Bv and Snake are scumbuddies.

Keep in mind that I was the first to point out Werewolf's "breadcrumb." I admit I was a follower on the chkflip lynch, but my vote was made with just a few days to the deadline, as I thought it was time to start coming to a consensus.

DON'T SELF HAMMER AS TOWN!!

Anyway, I still think Snake is scum, and probably rekirtS. However, I'm wondering why the scum killed Stefunny. I certainly didn't have a strong town read on her, and it didn't seem like she was heavily accusing anyone.

I can only assume because I had a vote on and that makes me preynlater on, but you'd already know that wouldn't you?

Are you talking about her vote for Cookie on D1? If so, does it really seem likely that I would kill her just for that? In other words, would I really be able to convince anyone that you were more likely to be scum based on the kill?

[rekirtS]

Okay, reread stefunny’s posts… Not really pushing anyones lynch. Andrew was her top scum target with chkflip but also didn’t like CoD/snake…

Lindisfarne… Its difficult because I originally thought shotty was scummy but you're more town then scum. Townie.

CN… how would bvoigt and snake be a scumteam with me? Perhaps the two biggest players wanting to lynch me. You reasoning?

[andrew94]

Right now my top suspect is bvoigt. He's the third person on each lynch, and not only that, but both times as a follower, not a case maker. It really seems to me as if he is riding the coat tails of the bigger speakers whenever they are wrong. Infact the

only

reason he stopped making his weak case on Cookie/Snake is to unvote and vote with the wagon. I'd like to point out that Snake and Bv have been tunneling each other all game, without actually stepping up to the plate and nailing a case, and without seriously chasing each other down. Snake has refused a strong read on anyone all game. Not to get too far ahead of myself, but I believe Bv and Snake are scumbuddies.

Keep in mind that I was the first to point out Werewolf's "breadcrumb." I admit I was a follower on the chkflip lynch, but my vote was made with just a few days to the deadline, as I thought it was time to start coming to a consensus.

keep in mind that although you were the first to point out the breadcrumb you didnt vote him until 2 other ppl have voeted

[Chaotic Neutrality]

Right now my top suspect is bvoigt. Blah blah rest of the post...

Keep in mind that I was the first to point out Werewolf's "breadcrumb."

keep in mind that although you were the first to point out the breadcrumb you didnt vote him until 2 other ppl have voeted

I hate to agree with Andrew here, especially when he ironically used the same repetition mockery against you that I used against him, but he said exactly what I was going to say.

@rekirtS and Lind:

You two have yet to tell us who your top suspects are. I would appreciate knowing your positions on the next lynch, considering that we pretty much have to discuss everyone's top candidates before we even think about voting.

[Chaotic Neutrality]

I could see cases for Bv-Snake scum with Andrew, SB, or Striker.

Can we see these cases good sir?

I said I could see them, not that they have been made.

[silverbullet999]

CN

I said I could see them, not that they have been made.

... Really now? a play on words?

... if you can see them you can make them... please expunge your extravagant architectural plans.

[SnakePlissken]

These are the lynches, broken down by

known townies

and

people who were on both wagons.

Also of note,

Snake

, who avoided voting both times. I have replaced the original names with the names of their replacements for the purpose of tally keeping.

Vote Count 2.09

chkflip

(5) -

Lindisfarne, Chaotic Neutrality, bvoigt,

silverbullet999,

chkflip

silverbullet999 (1) - andrew94

Not Voting (3) - rekirtS,

SnakePlissken

,

Stefunny

Vote Count 1.05

werewolf555

(6) -

yabbaguy

,

Chaotic Neutrality, bvoigt,

rekirtS,

chkflip

,

Lindisfarne

Lindisfarne

(2) - andrew94,

werewolf555

chkflip

(1) - silverbullet999

SnakePlissken

(1) -

Stefunny

Not Voting (1) -

SnakePlissken

Everyone in purple is suspect, obviously (I know I'm on the list). Thoughts on the wagons tomorrow when I wake up (probably around 11 or noon).

why is your name in the list silverbullet,,,

Answered by CN

No seriously, explain. I'm not understanding.

I would like to point out I didn't avoid the vote, I didn't believe they were scummy enough too vote. I think theres far too much scum wagonning going on here.

[andrew94]

Fos bvoight/ snake

this substitudes voting. when someone gets 4 fos then normal vote. happy??

[bvoigt]

I would like to point out I didn't avoid the vote, I didn't believe they were scummy enough too vote. I think theres far too much scum wagonning going on here.

You didn't think

anyone

was scummy enough to be voted?

FOS: Snake

[rekirtS]

Andrew you seem in a hurry to vote...

Ugh. Bvoigt almost seems too easy... but at the moment bvoigt, snake, and andrew are my top three scum...