Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Starbuck]

I had plenty of time over the holidays which is when this game should have started instead of waiting. It's about 5:30 am here and I'm on my way out the door for physical training.

[tanstalas]

I had plenty of time over the holidays which is when this game should have started instead of waiting. It's about 5:30 am here and I'm on my way out the door for physical training.

Bad excuse is bad.

Even if it started over the holidays, do you think it would be over by now?

[Starbuck]

I didn't think it'd be over, but we sat for over a week and a half and there was no one around. I now have to work and do physical training (I'm military overseas) and I can't just go back and start my re-read right at this second.

I worked close to 12 hours yesterday, ate dinner and went to bed. I'm hoping I have some free time during my work day, but I do realize that all I have been contributing has been flavor and I was hoping I'd at least get a chance to get back into mafia before a bandwagon was started or at least re-read so that I can contribute because people here know I can.

[Starbuck]

There was no one around meaning for me at work. I had barely anything going on.

[Jack]

523 makes sense, people are absent and have explanations for it.

525 is apparently...responding to being on a scum list by repeating the "why I can't post now" talk? Yeah.

[nopointinactingup]

Better than making a scum list without explanation Jack

[Starbuck]

I'm on my way out the door right now for PT, so hopefully I'll have time during today to conquer the first 10 pages or so (hopefully everything).

See y'all in a bit.

[Jack]

Better than making a scum list without explanation Jack

You're scum too, and haven't been reading.

[nopointinactingup]

I have but have elicit nothing from your mysterious posts except for your color fishing

[The Stove]

Implies the opposite.

Jack's skillz are highly underrated.

I have no opinion on starbuck ^^

aha. ha. ha

Helloooooooo vigs?



Moar Starbuck votes.


-PZ


P.S. KageLord where art thou.

[nopointinactingup]

Now that you mention it. I've never been vigged before o.0
@Stove: Sign your name?

[nopointinactingup]

Oops yeah ^^

[Katsuki]

We have no idea what the SK actually does. Hence why would you SK-hunt instead of scum-hunt?

Re: Classes, you do realize classes last longer than an hour, right?

You said in your ISO-17 that you would be back

AFTER

class, you then posted an hour later... I assumed class was done since well, you said in the post directly before ISO-18 that you would be back

AFTER

I get your point now.

Are you referring to:

i like how once vi calls reck sk

everyone starts piling votes onto reck

this is almost a repeat of spyspy wagon early on all this sk voting needs looking at

as the answer to:

Why would you mention if anyone attacked reck for townpoints? Would you say that is a scumtell? If you think it is a scumtell why wouldn't you look since you just said you were re-reading? So you went back and looked, but you didn't look

No.
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Will finish answering later.

[KageLord]

scum list:
starbuck
nopoint
katsuki

icky list:
xreck
spyrex

If Katsuki is on your scum list, why not include Reck and Fate, who Katsuki claims are alignment-confirmed masons with him? That claim really only makes me want to lynch Reck more considering we kill multiple birds with one stone. If he flips town alignment-confirmed mason, we have 2 confirmed townies. If he flips scum, we have a great place to look for buddies. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind a Katsuki lynch either for a lot of the same reasons as Reck. Not to mention the ridiculous way he attempts to dodge tanstalas's inquiries.

I am also sick of our good ol' alliance to be frank. It makes it difficult to get a real read on any of them because you have to wade through their purposefully poorly worded posts and it is difficult to tell what is serious and what is not. Also, I have personally seen where close buddying like this has thrown town into big trouble (i.e. where Fate assumed NachoMamma was town and trusted him implicitly, helping the scumteam containing myself and Nacho).

P.S. KageLord where art thou.

I'm pretty sure my last post was within 24 hours of this one. I really don't think better should be expected at this point in the game. School and social life prevent more frequent posting in a real game.

[Fate]

^Lol

[tanstalas]

So Fate, what do you think of Katsuki saying that you, she and Reck colluded to submit the same colors?

[Katsuki]

So Fate, what do you think of Katsuki saying that you, she and Reck colluded to submit the same colors?

This is the same twisting that most of your questioning has consisted of.

[SpyreX]

No, and my apologies for continuing to spew words of bullshit or whatever you said earlier, but my basis for my suspicion of you was because with your experience with draft variants and alignment selection games you would know

that picking Orange as your second choice was a wasted pick

. Then I voted for that reason in addition to the fact that you claimed getting your first pick would give you information about whether or not Orange got picked at all, which you would also know is false (regardless of how you thought the draft process was going to function). Even though the mods did not say "If you get your first pick we will tell you if your second pick got picked by someone else" I think it is unlikely under any circumstances that that would ever be the case. If you didn't get either of your picks then you could say that you know the SK got selected, but you didn't say that. This should have also been abundantly clear when I explained why I was interested in you and not SensFan/SSBF.

First off, the bolded is again saying your statement before of Orange had nothing to do with it is garbage.

And, while I could go into the short thought process behind the secondary reason in picking Orange second (the part you've got such a quibble about) I'm not going to. Because, it's moot. You either thing I'm lying scum (which you do) or just telling my picks (which I did).

What is this even implying? That I know what you actually selected? How?

Jesus. Mayhaps because this is garbage being thrown out by scum and AS SCUM you've got a pretty solid framework for knowing I'm town (Ohh noooo two scum groups fffff)

And, just to stop the whole 'avoiding my questions' junk:

# SpyreX - is vote hopping scummy? (423)
# SpyreX - is it scummy to speculate on scumteams? (419, 423)

The answer to both of these is contextual and they are bad questions but what the hell.

1.) Vote hopping, or vote sticking, isn't inherently scummy. When these votes hop in early game from candidates showing higher than average level of suspicion you're damn right they do.
2.) Speculation isn't inherently scummy. When the speculation is (junk) + (junk) for shiny prizes AND just happens to facilitate #1 above then yes, yes it is.

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In other news, I've counted thus far at least 4 people who put Orange in one of the two colors based on the way things have been phrased and such. Of those 4, SpyreX is the only one who stated he put it second. Many have not yet commented on their color choice selection in such an obvious way though, so I am betting there were more.

I'm apparently braindead. Who else besides Sens has done it? I'd LOVE to see it in context if you'd be so kind because that furthers what I've been saying with this selective garbage, depending.

[Katsuki]

personally im of the belief that we shouldnt necessarily be worrying about orange for the time being but thats just me

this

only scum would be sk hunting

which reminds me

tans was doing this too in the beginning when spyspy mentioned picking orange

When I asked you your comment on this you said rings talk wasn't brought up yet, I corrected you, since you obviously have reading comprehension issues, and even directed you to the post where it was mentioned on the first page. I bring this up, because you made a point of saying I was sk hunting where you said just before that only scum would be sk hunting, hence, implying I was scum.

Now, knowing at the point where I was "sk hunting" as you call it that the SK posed a threat to the town would you say that the above was scummy of me to be SK hunting?

And if you call what I was doing up until that point SK-hunting and not scum-hunting I will laugh at you. As at that point I was already way past the SK thing and onto kdub. FTR: and to save you the time to look it up I mentioned the SK thing in my ISO-7 (Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:52 pm) by the time you posted the above I was already 6 posts past that and pushing Kdub. So I must have been scumhunting and not just SK-hunting, wouldn't you agree? So why even try to link the two together if you say scumhunting is pro-town and includes the SK by this next quote?

I'm confused by what you're trying to say here.

[tanstalas]

So Fate, what do you think of Katsuki saying that you, she and Reck colluded to submit the same colors?

This is the same twisting that most of your questioning has consisted of.

Glad to see you lurking instead of answering the questions you promised to answer. Do you guys have a daychat this game? Waiting for Fate and Reck to tell you how to back peddle your way out if this?

[Katsuki]

So Fate, what do you think of Katsuki saying that you, she and Reck colluded to submit the same colors?

This is the same twisting that most of your questioning has consisted of.

Glad to see you lurking instead of answering the questions you promised to answer. Do you guys have a daychat this game? Waiting for Fate and Reck to tell you how to back peddle your way out if this?

Oh how did you guess.

and there is no way I could've stepped away from mafiascum.net, nope.

[Fate]

So Fate, what do you think of Katsuki saying that you, she and Reck colluded to submit the same colors?

I think: Katsuki's a girl?!?!??!11

[tanstalas]

personally im of the belief that we shouldnt necessarily be worrying about orange for the time being but thats just me

this

only scum would be sk hunting

which reminds me

tans was doing this too in the beginning when spyspy mentioned picking orange

When I asked you your comment on this you said rings talk wasn't brought up yet, I corrected you, since you obviously have reading comprehension issues, and even directed you to the post where it was mentioned on the first page. I bring this up, because you made a point of saying I was sk hunting where you said just before that only scum would be sk hunting, hence, implying I was scum.

Now, knowing at the point where I was "sk hunting" as you call it that the SK posed a threat to the town would you say that the above was scummy of me to be SK hunting?

And if you call what I was doing up until that point SK-hunting and not scum-hunting I will laugh at you. As at that point I was already way past the SK thing and onto kdub. FTR: and to save you the time to look it up I mentioned the SK thing in my ISO-7 (Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:52 pm) by the time you posted the above I was already 6 posts past that and pushing Kdub. So I must have been scumhunting and not just SK-hunting, wouldn't you agree? So why even try to link the two together if you say scumhunting is pro-town and includes the SK by this next quote?

I'm confused by what you're trying to say here.

Basically you eluded that I was scum because I was as you called it "sk-hunting" because only scum do that, recently you said that scumhunting includes hunting SK's after Too said SK is anti-town and therefore should be hunted. When you posted the above I was way past the Spyrex thing where I mentioned he was scum in another game and suggested that maybe Spyrex was the SK since in the prior game he was SK in RC was also the mod of that game. In fact there were numerous posts between when I posted about spyrex and when you posted OMG TANS IS SK-HUNTING HE MUST BE SCUM. I was already on kdub at that time.

So since you said today that scumhunting includes sk-hunting what I am saying is how was I sk-hunting instead of scumhunting?

P-edit:

and there is no way I could've stepped away from mafiascum.net, nope.

I was referring to the fact at 1:15am (according to my timestamp) you would answer the rest of the questions later. Two minutes after I asked Fate a question you popped back in with a comment of your own. I guess you stepped back to MS just then, what a crazy coincidence.

[xvart]

I'm going to defer reading the Katsuki/tans round robin until later.

nopoint - a better vote is on Reckoner.

First off, the bolded is again saying your statement before of Orange had nothing to do with it is garbage.

In conjunction with everything else I have been harping on, which are the most significant parts...

And, while I could go into the short thought process behind the secondary reason in picking Orange second (the part you've got such a quibble about) I'm not going to. Because, it's moot. You either thing I'm lying scum (which you do) or just telling my picks (which I did).

Way to minimize the argument so you don't have to defend your actions.

Jesus. Mayhaps because this is garbage being thrown out by scum and AS SCUM you've got a pretty solid framework for knowing I'm town (Ohh noooo two scum groups fffff)

lol? In the same sentence you say I know you are town because I am scum but undermine that by saying I couldn't know you are town even if I was scum because there are... wait for it... two scum teams. So unless you think that my alleged scum team has the names of everyone on the other scum team the other option is that you accidentally defended yourself with a faulty argument which you now realize so you answered your own question with the obvious answer before I could or you are intentionally being difficult. Or both.

And, just to stop the whole 'avoiding my questions' junk:

# SpyreX - is vote hopping scummy? (423)
# SpyreX - is it scummy to speculate on scumteams? (419, 423)

The answer to both of these is contextual and they are bad questions but what the hell.

1.) Vote hopping, or vote sticking, isn't inherently scummy. When these votes hop in early game from candidates showing higher than average level of suspicion you're damn right they do.
2.) Speculation isn't inherently scummy. When the speculation is (junk) + (junk) for shiny prizes AND just happens to facilitate #1 above then yes, yes it is.

For the first one, my "vote hopping" was between two people I had articulated cases on (whether or not you agree with the validity of the cases is irrelevant) and they obviously weren't hopping for opportunistic reasons of just securing a lynch since neither of them were exploding wagons and looking to secure a lynch.

For the second one, is Reckoner's speculation about scum teams more legitimate than my "speculation" on scum teams? Is his scum team speculation less junk + junk for shiny prizes? If you recall, I only even mentioned it because you two are my top scum reads and there are two teams, thus I was looking to see if you two are tied together as possibly being on the same team or not. I wasn't doing it to further a scum read on anyone and I didn't use it to condemn either of you as icing on the cake, so your whole comment about "woohoo here comes the scum team speculation" as a subtle way to undermine me doesn't really jive. Furthermore, if there was information that did tie you two together I wanted to lynch you in the correct order to further my case on the other. And like I said, there wasn't anything concrete except the one Reck comment but that is highly circumstantial and only weakly tied you together.

[tanstalas]

So Fate, what do you think of Katsuki saying that you, she and Reck colluded to submit the same colors?

I think: Katsuki's a girl?!?!??!11

Errr... I thought she was? Maybe I'm getting old, I thought I remembered her saying she was a girl in a game I was in >.<

@Katsuki - Are you a girl or a guy? I just want to know so I use the right noun. I'm calling you she and others are calling you he so I don't know which one is the correct one to use.