Open 269: Multirole Mafia: Over. Town Win

[andrew94]

thadmiral, akira and chkflip are scummy as hell

for once I agree with andrew these were my first reads too

explain why before i give my reasons to suspect

[drmyshottyizsik]

I shall tomorrow I gtg do home work

[Chevre]

Vote: drmyshottyizsik

I know you cannot answer for gandalf, but no one can deny what he did yesterday was scummy. He hammered yesterday without and a claim and with questions still left unanswered, and then replaced out yet still posted in the thread after being replaced.

[ThAdmiral]

I don't think gandalf is crummy enough to leave someone else in his own pile of shit if he felt he was going to get busted as scum. If he is I will be disappointed.

[andrew94]

Shotty!!!!!

[Chaotic Neutrality]

Here's my baaaah post. I hope it's not too sheepish for you.



The last one is a goat. Sue me.

As the mod is a kiwi, the mod approves. (except the goat D:)

[Sleepless Assassin]

Ok, so Chesskid and Smashbro are scum. Akira and implosion are town.

Vote Chesskid

To anyone with a problem with L-1 this early, suck it.

I've seen a few chesskid games where he says stupid shit and I'm thinking "the guy's obvtown" while he's being attacked. This isn't one of those games.

There is lots of things about this post that is bad. Saying certain people are scum and town with no reason is bad. Also not explaining what is different about this game to other games where chess is obvtown is bad. There is also a strong difference between someone being not obvtown and scum.

I don't see why you need reasoning why I suspect a player who I'm not yet voting. And explaining town reads isn't really necessary unless it's a widely suspected player. I elaborated on Chess later in the post. It was a gut feel. It's all about reading motivation in his posts. Usually, he seems to have town's best interest in mind, though he's always viewed as scummy. In this game, I just didn't see that.

Actually gandalf obviously can't respond...

vote: sleepless

I feel he was the scummiest by a slight margin.

When did replacing out become a town tell?

I'm a little worried to write gandalf/shotty off as scum, because even though it was a very scummy hammer, it seems almost too scummy. SA is definitely my top pick, having one post aside from his original right now, and it isn't bursting with towniness. Not voting though, in light of how quick the voting went yesterday. Looking forward to what shotty has to say about gandalf's play.

Too scummy to be scum? Really?

I know you cannot answer for gandalf, but no one can deny what he did yesterday was scummy. He hammered yesterday without and a claim and with questions still left unanswered, and then replaced out yet still posted in the thread after being replaced.

I don't think gandalf is crummy enough to leave someone else in his own pile of shit if he felt he was going to get busted as scum. If he is I will be disappointed.

Pretty sure Gandalf replaced out of all of his games.

If drmy is scum, so is one of thad/smashbro.
If drmy is town, Chevre is scum.
^Based on Day 2 interactions.

Now to focus on our flipped scum:

Vote: ThAdmiral

His avatar actually intimidates me. That's a first.

Town points to thad. This doesn't look like a post you'd make to your scumbuddy.

Chkflip is being entirely too defensive of Andrew.

chesskid is being entirely too aggressive on Andrew.

The Bus Driver Organization looks the scummiest thus far.

'Chevre' looks entirely too much like 'chévere' which means 'great' or 'fantastic' in Spanish.

Anyway, which is more scummy, chkflip's defensiveness or chesskid's aggressiveness?

chesskid's aggressiveness, but the scumminess of it is negligible.

This, along with the fact that he ended up voting Chess, could say a few things about chk.
1) Chaotic was setting himself up to vote either player if a wagon ever picked up, which the Chess one did.
2) Chaotic named a townie and a scumbuddy, eventually lazily going after the townie.

Number two seems more likely because chk wasn't really someone who was likely to be wagoned.

Also, the Chevre thing is either buddying to town, or being really ballsy buddying to a scumbuddy. Chevre is probably town. Based on my drmy connections posted earlier, and these reads based on Chaotic, the scum team should be drmy/smashbro/chk. I'm most confident on chk because it comes directly from looking back at flipped scum.

Vote chkflip

Another quick note...

Andrew is easy enough to read that I'd keep him beyond D1 just so I have a semi-confirmed alignment (unless he does something scummy, of course).

Andrew gets town points. I doubt Chaotic would try this on a scumbuddy.

Also worth noting:
Chaotic never mentioned or interacted with Akira or implosion, but did so with everyone else. May need to rethink those town reads.

Implosion calls Chaotic town once and Akira never even mentions Chaotic. Looks real bad for Akira.

So, here's where we're at, in order of scuminess:
chkflip - Likely scum via Chaotic
Akira - Possibly scum

gandalf5166

Drmyshottyissik - Possibly scum with Smashbro
smashbro_of_the_SSS - Possibly scum with Drmy
implosion - Possibly scum
andrew94 -Likely town
Chevre - Likely town
ThAdmiral - Likely town

[ThAdmiral]

Usually, he seems to have town's best interest in mind, though he's always viewed as scummy. In this game, I just didn't see that.

This makes sense.

Pretty sure Gandalf replaced out of all of his games.

This changes things.

Also @ sleepless: good analysis.

I'd prefer an akira lynch.

unvote, vote: akira

[Chronopie]

The Second Vote Count of Day Two

Sleepless Assassin

(1): Akira

Drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chevre,

chkflip

(1): Sleepless Assassin

Akira

(1): ThAdmiral

Not Voting (5): Everyone else

-Edit: For some reason I can't use the "Submit" and "Preview" buttons on my Firefox atm, anyone know a fix?-

[Chronopie]

Prodding Akira and chkflip.

Shotty, Smashbro, implosion, and Chevre are due for prodding tomorrow.

[Akira]

Here I am.

Implosion calls Chaotic town once and Akira never even mentions Chaotic. Looks real bad for Akira.

Isn't it scummier to actually call CN town than to not have any interaction at all with him?
Besides, if you look back, you 'll notice that I've actually only mentioned 3-4 players during the whole game. I'll try to be more active, but what I'm trying to say is that CN is only one of the eight players which I never addressed in my posts. I fail to see where this "real bad" situation comes from.

I think I'll go ISO the flipped players one more time. SA brought up some good possibilities.

[andrew94]

shotty's homework sure is taking ages

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

I'm a little worried to write gandalf/shotty off as scum, because even though it was a very scummy hammer, it seems almost too scummy. SA is definitely my top pick, having one post aside from his original right now, and it isn't bursting with towniness. Not voting though, in light of how quick the voting went yesterday. Looking forward to what shotty has to say about gandalf's play.

Too scummy to be scum? Really?

Yeah. I'm really not sure if a scum player would put down a hammer this early and bring all of the attention to himself. it seems like scum players would play more cautiously. You mentioned me earlier as a scum read, before I made the above comment. Why did you think I was scummy then?

also, you call me scum, along with a few other possibilities. But you voted chkflip for interactions with CN. Is there anything abouy chkflip himself that is scummy? what do you think of his play?


@ andrew, anything more to contribute?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm really busy right now, i have term papers due

[implosion]

Sorry, school is starting back up and I have a lot less free time. I'll make a post analyzing d1/what we have of d2 probably on Sunday, possibly Saturday night.

[Chevre]

prodded.

Unvote

for now, though if shotty needs to get something to us soon. It's really what this game is waiting on.

[ThAdmiral]

Too scummy to be scum? Really?

Yeah. I'm really not sure if a scum player would put down a hammer this early and bring all of the attention to himself. it seems like scum players would play more cautiously.

I've played with gandalf before and he can be pretty cavalier as scum.

[andrew94]

prodded.

Unvote

for now, though if shotty needs to get something to us soon. It's really what this game is waiting on.

really?

vote chevre

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

i agree with andrew. How is unvoting going to help? Usually what brings people out more is pressure, not unvoting.

vote: chevre

until we get an explanation.

[Chevre]

It has already been explained that gandalf5166 replaced out of all his games. drmyshottyizsik has explained his circumstances, and if doesn't get around to it in a few days, then I'd rather have him replaced then lynch him.

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

unvote

Still, I don't see that there is any strong want for his lynch right now, not quite sure why you're worried about that.



Oh, and ThAD.

I don't think gandalf is crummy enough to leave someone else in his own pile of shit if he felt he was going to get busted as scum. If he is I will be disappointed.

Too scummy to be scum? Really?

Yeah. I'm really not sure if a scum player would put down a hammer this early and bring all of the attention to himself. it seems like scum players would play more cautiously.

I've played with gandalf before and he can be pretty cavalier as scum.

So, would gandalf be the type to hammer someone as scum like that, and then replace out, or not?

[ThAdmiral]

I feel he would be the type to hammer like that as scum, but I didn't think he'd then replace out and make someone else deal with his mess. Since he is replacing out of all his games though, it is possible.

[Akira]

I agree with Sleepless that there is a suspicious connection between chkflip and Chaotic, I especially don't like this:

Anyway, which is more scummy, chkflip's defensiveness or chesskid's aggressiveness?

chesskid's aggressiveness, but the scumminess of it is negligible.

The way chkflip was pushed behind a townie in scumminess adds some flavor. Yet there's nothing in chkflip's actual play which says scum to me.

At the same time, there's gandalf. Other than the hammer there's this:

Because the target of crappy psuedo-not random votes early on D1 is always town?

Haha. You're funny. Town(I doubt scum would make a claim this ridiculous), but hilarious.

I'll have to agree with Chaotic when he said "That logic is disgusting". chesskid's post is by no means a towntell, regardless of his flip.

Now I'm not sure that scum (Chaotic) would call out on his buddy so aggressively, or maybe it's just extreme bussing, but what makes it worse is that gandalf never replied to Chaotic. It almost looks like a "Be more careful, buddy." post.

Since I don't like voting replacements for previous scummy behavior, I'll VOTE: chkflip and keep a good ol'

FoS on shotty

[Chronopie]

The Third Vote Count of Day Two

chkflip

(2): Sleepless Assassin, Akira

Akira

(1): ThAdmiral

Chevre

(1): Andrew

Not Voting (5): Everyone else

[andrew94]

alright lets get chkflip then akira then