Open 269: Multirole Mafia: Over. Town Win

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh ya, look at my reasons for my vote.

[Chronopie]

The Fourth Vote Count of Day Two

chkflip

(3): Sleepless Assassin, Akira, implosion

Akira

(3): ThAdmiral, Andrew, Shotty

Not Voting (3): chkflip, Chevre, Smashbro

Deadline is on the 16th of January at 6 pm (GMT +13), that's 6 days away.

[ThAdmiral]

competing wagons. Awesome.

[Akira]

Long and boring.

Spoiler: @shotty

/confirm

Hey there andrew.

Blatant Buddying!
+1 Scum point

This is the first time I've ever met someone from a previous game. I felt like celebrating.

It's actually pretty easy to recognize a scummy andrew from a town andrew. Let's have a long day and we'll soon be able to meta him.

Setting up a fall back in case Andrew get to scummy.
+2 Scum point

Would you have listened to chesskid and voted andrew on page 3??

As I said in my last post, I believe andrew to be easy to read. It's as chkflip says.
I've only played one game with him, but it was enough to classify him as easily readable in the right circumstances. And these circumstances won't appear on page 3, that's for sure.

chesskid is probably scum, so yeah.
VOTE: chesskid

Votes with no real reason +1 scum points
Still tries to justify not lynch andrew, wants him to live later in the game "so we can meta him then".

I explained that in one of my last posts.
The second point means nothing in scumminess. I only stated an opinion.

Well it sure sounds like you have enough experience with andrew to make a reliable call on that.

Not me alone, I guess it was other players telling me about andrew's behavior which made me sure about it.

@chesskid: Any reason why you chose me specifically? You could have had an easier time with someone who already has a vote.

Focuses on making sure that Andrew isn't PL'd. Nothing wrong with that, but he over does it. +1 scum buddy point

All I did was answer ThAdmiral. Nothing more to it.

@chesskid: So there is a reason? In that case, tell me why you think I'm scummy or your vote will have no meaning at all.

Well put, Jesse.

Hypocrisy! +3 scum points

That's just me.

Sleepless should post more, and I agree with what ThAdmiral said regarding him, as much as I like being called town (jk it doesn't mean anything without a reason).
VOTE: Sleepless

Also, the only thing I know about shotty is that I'm lucky to have never met him in a game yet. Is he an andrew-like VI?

Just piggy backs other peoples thought, doesn't give a real reason for voting
+4 Scum points

What if I simply agreed with ThAdmiral? Agreeing and changing your mind are two things you simply can't do here, apparently.

Whoops I didn't mean to call shotty a VI, more like just I.

Personal insult, maybe an atempt at AtE(since not everyone likes me). +1 scum point

I've never seen you play. Excuse me if I saw you kicked out of a game and assumed you were bad.

Soo...shouldn't you vote?

I hate when people try to shepard people or what not
+.5 scum points

Do you often say "Let's get X" without voting for X?

Regarding chesskid, I thought I wouldn't have needed to state a reason after all his weird behavior. I've seen people do it all the time and thought this was one of those situations where the vote was 'self-explanatory'.
I should've drawn a line between scumminess and just plain VI.

And regarding andrew, what can I say? I already admitted that it wasn't an opinion I formed up on my own. I don't see why you'd want to pull that out again.

Chesskid3 is wierd, but wierd != scummy!!!! You need to give reasons yes!!!
+2 Scum points

Already explained.

[andrew94]

oh ya, look at my reasons for my vote.

you only gave reasons for akira i think

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes Andrew because right now he's the only good lynch

[drmyshottyizsik]

Long and boring.

Spoiler: @Akira

/confirm

Hey there andrew.

Blatant Buddying!
+1 Scum point

This is the first time I've ever met someone from a previous game. I felt like celebrating.

It's still buddying, and matched with your latter actions it is even more so.

It's actually pretty easy to recognize a scummy andrew from a town andrew. Let's have a long day and we'll soon be able to meta him.

Setting up a fall back in case Andrew get to scummy.
+2 Scum point

Would you have listened to chesskid and voted andrew on page 3??

No but I wouldn't defend Andrew to all ends on page 3 either unless I was his noob scum buddy.

As I said in my last post, I believe andrew to be easy to read. It's as chkflip says.
I've only played one game with him, but it was enough to classify him as easily readable in the right circumstances. And these circumstances won't appear on page 3, that's for sure.

chesskid is probably scum, so yeah.
VOTE: chesskid

Votes with no real reason +1 scum points
Still tries to justify not lynch andrew, wants him to live later in the game "so we can meta him then".

I explained that in one of my last posts.

AND!?!? Explaining something doesn't make it not scummy! Scum have to act and then pretend to have a train of thought, good scum do both at the same time, and bad scum act, and then try to cover it up later with an explanation.

The second point means nothing in scumminess. I only stated an opinion.

Well when you opinion involves letting someone live longer or not get lynched on no grounds then your opinion becomes scummy.

Well it sure sounds like you have enough experience with andrew to make a reliable call on that.

Not me alone, I guess it was other players telling me about andrew's behavior which made me sure about it.

@chesskid: Any reason why you chose me specifically? You could have had an easier time with someone who already has a vote.

Focuses on making sure that Andrew isn't PL'd. Nothing wrong with that, but he over does it. +1 scum buddy point

All I did was answer ThAdmiral. Nothing more to it.

There's always more too it Akira, you may have just answered somebody or just done X or Y but it's the reasons and motives behind you answers and reasons that make it scummy, and you trying to blow it off like it's nothing just makes it scummier. If you thought what you did would have or did help the town in any way then you should take responsibility for it not act like it was nothing, sorry scum, we caught you.

@chesskid: So there is a reason? In that case, tell me why you think I'm scummy or your vote will have no meaning at all.

Well put, Jesse.

Hypocrisy! +3 scum points

That's just me.

Again you can't play that card it doesn't work, that's not just you, you are not always a hypocrite, but you did choose to be one then, why? Well because you are scum.

Sleepless should post more, and I agree with what ThAdmiral said regarding him, as much as I like being called town (jk it doesn't mean anything without a reason).
VOTE: Sleepless

Also, the only thing I know about shotty is that I'm lucky to have never met him in a game yet. Is he an andrew-like VI?

Just piggy backs other peoples thought, doesn't give a real reason for voting
+4 Scum points

What if I simply agreed with ThAdmiral? Agreeing and changing your mind are two things you simply can't do here, apparently.

Agreeing is all cool, see I agreed with Andrew on your lynch, but yet I gave my own reasoning, and even if I didn't have any different reasons than Andrew I still would have gave my reasons in my own words. And you can change your mind, I do it all the time but you can't piggy back.

Whoops I didn't mean to call shotty a VI, more like just I.

Personal insult, maybe an atempt at AtE(since not everyone likes me). +1 scum point

I've never seen you play. Excuse me if I saw you kicked out of a game and assumed you were bad.

You are accountable for everything you say, you should never have to apologize.

Soo...shouldn't you vote?

I hate when people try to shepard people or what not
+.5 scum points

Do you often say "Let's get X" without voting for X?

Sometimes yes, it helps find scum, letting them know that I am willing to vote at any time, while others join that wagon the pressure get higher and higher.

Regarding chesskid, I thought I wouldn't have needed to state a reason after all his weird behavior. I've seen people do it all the time and thought this was one of those situations where the vote was 'self-explanatory'.
I should've drawn a line between scumminess and just plain VI.

And regarding andrew, what can I say? I already admitted that it wasn't an opinion I formed up on my own. I don't see why you'd want to pull that out again.

Chesskid3 is wierd, but wierd != scummy!!!! You need to give reasons yes!!!
+2 Scum points

Already explained.

YES BUT AGAIN THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT SCUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chkflip]

ThAd, have no nothing more to say? What's your opinion of them? Do you find that one is more likely to be scum than the other? All I see from your last post is a bump so you avoid being prodded.

[ThAdmiral]

ThAd, have no nothing more to say? What's your opinion of them? Do you find that one is more likely to be scum than the other? All I see from your last post is a bump so you avoid being prodded.

Read again. I've already clearly stated who I think is more likely scum out of you and Akira.

[chkflip]

I know, I just wanted to see if anything new had developed from there.

As of right now, I see the case on Akira as credible. Especially so with the current exchange between Ak/Shotty's development.

Akira: I explained that in one of my last posts.
Shotty: AND!?!? Explaining something doesn't make it not scummy!

FoS

: Akira

My full read on the game will be in my next post; entirely too drained for it at 1am.

[ThAdmiral]

I know, I just wanted to see if anything new had developed from there.

Not really. I still think akira is more likely scum.

[Chevre]

andrew: now that chkflip is posting again, are you going to switch to him, since you did say it was "chkflip then Akira?"

Akira: are we at the point where we can tell if andrew is scum or not?

Also, don't put wall posts in spoilers. Just because it refers to one person doesn't mean no one else needs to read it. drmyshottyizsik, you too.

Vote: drmyshottizsik

- If you found Akira scummy based mostly off her interactions with andrew, then why is andrew scummy?

[Akira]

Spoiler: @Andrew

/confirm

Hey there andrew.

Blatant Buddying!
+1 Scum point

This is the first time I've ever met someone from a previous game. I felt like celebrating.

It's still buddying, and matched with your latter actions it is even more so.

And he's still the first player I've ever met in two games. Just insisting on the scum possibility doesn't work, I'm afraid.

It's actually pretty easy to recognize a scummy andrew from a town andrew. Let's have a long day and we'll soon be able to meta him.

Setting up a fall back in case Andrew get to scummy.
+2 Scum point

Would you have listened to chesskid and voted andrew on page 3??

No but I wouldn't defend Andrew to all ends on page 3 either unless I was his noob scum buddy.

chesskid was seriously considering a lynch on page 3, regardless of who's it about. That's just way too early for me. Call it defending if you must, but I believe you'll agree that Page 3 is not a lynching page. Also, does that mean you suspect chkflip for the same reason?

As I said in my last post, I believe andrew to be easy to read. It's as chkflip says.
I've only played one game with him, but it was enough to classify him as easily readable in the right circumstances. And these circumstances won't appear on page 3, that's for sure.

chesskid is probably scum, so yeah.
VOTE: chesskid

Votes with no real reason +1 scum points
Still tries to justify not lynch andrew, wants him to live later in the game "so we can meta him then".

I explained that in one of my last posts.

AND!?!? Explaining something doesn't make it not scummy! Scum have to act and then pretend to have a train of thought, good scum do both at the same time, and bad scum act, and then try to cover it up later with an explanation.

Just listen. I'm not implying that it's not scummy because I explained it. Rather, I'm telling you to look at the explanation and reply to it. That's what I was expecting you to do.

The second point means nothing in scumminess. I only stated an opinion.

Well when you opinion involves letting someone live longer or not get lynched on no grounds then your opinion becomes scummy.

On no grounds? Really? I've been constantly hearing about andrew and about how lynching him acquires nothing because that's his usual behavior. andrew can confirm that from my last game.

Well it sure sounds like you have enough experience with andrew to make a reliable call on that.

Not me alone, I guess it was other players telling me about andrew's behavior which made me sure about it.

@chesskid: Any reason why you chose me specifically? You could have had an easier time with someone who already has a vote.

Focuses on making sure that Andrew isn't PL'd. Nothing wrong with that, but he over does it. +1 scum buddy point

All I did was answer ThAdmiral. Nothing more to it.

There's always more too it Akira, you may have just answered somebody or just done X or Y but it's the reasons and motives behind you answers and reasons that make it scummy, and you trying to blow it off like it's nothing just makes it scummier. If you thought what you did would have or did help the town in any way then you should take responsibility for it not act like it was nothing, sorry scum, we caught you.

So a town player would ignore him and not answer at all? That would have, as you say, helped the town?

@chesskid: So there is a reason? In that case, tell me why you think I'm scummy or your vote will have no meaning at all.

Well put, Jesse.

Hypocrisy! +3 scum points

That's just me.

Again you can't play that card it doesn't work, that's not just you, you are not always a hypocrite, but you did choose to be one then, why? Well because you are scum.

Wait, are you referring to my "Well put, Jesse" or above it? I just looked up "hypocrisy" and noticed that it has nothing to do with what I thought it was.

Sleepless should post more, and I agree with what ThAdmiral said regarding him, as much as I like being called town (jk it doesn't mean anything without a reason).
VOTE: Sleepless

Also, the only thing I know about shotty is that I'm lucky to have never met him in a game yet. Is he an andrew-like VI?

Just piggy backs other peoples thought, doesn't give a real reason for voting
+4 Scum points

What if I simply agreed with ThAdmiral? Agreeing and changing your mind are two things you simply can't do here, apparently.

Agreeing is all cool, see I agreed with Andrew on your lynch, but yet I gave my own reasoning, and even if I didn't have any different reasons than Andrew I still would have gave my reasons in my own words. And you can change your mind, I do it all the time but you can't piggy back.

Fine, I didn't know I had to restate what ThAdmiral said in my own words. I don't see the point of it but okay.

Whoops I didn't mean to call shotty a VI, more like just I.

Personal insult, maybe an atempt at AtE(since not everyone likes me). +1 scum point

I've never seen you play. Excuse me if I saw you kicked out of a game and assumed you were bad.

You are accountable for everything you say, you should never have to apologize.

I'm not apologizing, I'm telling you how I thought you were going to be a bad player. It was something about you being "nothing but poison in all of my games".

Soo...shouldn't you vote?

I hate when people try to shepard people or what not
+.5 scum points

Do you often say "Let's get X" without voting for X?

Sometimes yes, it helps find scum, letting them know that I am willing to vote at any time, while others join that wagon the pressure get higher and higher.

Okay, that's new too.

Regarding chesskid, I thought I wouldn't have needed to state a reason after all his weird behavior. I've seen people do it all the time and thought this was one of those situations where the vote was 'self-explanatory'.
I should've drawn a line between scumminess and just plain VI.

And regarding andrew, what can I say? I already admitted that it wasn't an opinion I formed up on my own. I don't see why you'd want to pull that out again.

Chesskid3 is wierd, but wierd != scummy!!!! You need to give reasons yes!!!
+2 Scum points

Already explained.

YES BUT AGAIN THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT SCUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, I'm asking you to take a look at the explanation and reply to that. Since you didn't include that post of mine in here, I guess that means you have no problem with it.

@Chevre: Good question, I completely forgot about that.
Well, I'm actually not seeing any differences with my other game, which I remember good enough since it was my last one. Same easy vote swaps, same concentrating on only one thing at a time.

But then again my experience with him is lacking, I spoke more than I should've. chkflip definitely knows better.

[Akira]

Forgot: andrew was town in that game.

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

sorry bout not being on for a couple days, moved back in to college.

so yeah, right now, I'm leaning chkflip. Most of his posts have merely been reaction and either agreeing or disagreeing with something, usually a quick one liner to show he's been paying attention. The only vote he's made was on jesse, for not saying anything. Doesn't seem overly pro-town to me.


chk, I'm interested in your next post. First off, if you suspect Akira, why not vote instead of FoS? Also, who is your idea on the last scum?

[ThAdmiral]

So if chk votes akira and smash votes chk it looks like Luna lovegood has the deciding vote.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm not sure I'm comfortable about that.

[Chronopie]

The Fifth Vote Count of Day Two

chkflip

(3): Sleepless Assassin, Akira, implosion

Akira

(3): ThAdmiral, Andrew, Shotty

Shotty

(1): Chevre

Not Voting (2): chkflip, Smashbro

Deadline is on the 16th of January at 6 pm (GMT +13), that's

4

days away.

And I've decided not to penalize the use of spoiler/area tags at this time, despite the borderline infringement on rule (9a)

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

@ ThAD: oh, I'm not sure who i'm going to vote for yet, but yeah, leaning chk. why don't you feel good about chev having the tiebreaker vote?

[implosion]

Eh, IMO Chevre having the hammer isn't ideal, but it isn't the end of the world.

[ThAdmiral]

Because instead of taking a stand on the two leading wagons he evasively chose to vote for shotty.

[implosion]

Y'know, there's an easy remedy to that.

Chevre

, what do you think about the two leading bandwagons? If you were to vote one of them right now, which would you vote?

[Chevre]

OK, I really don't see why these two are our top scumminesses. If I had to vote one of them, I'd vote Akira, but only because of very, VERY minor reasoning based on the spoiler posts. I read all of Day 2 so far, and I couldn't find much case that expanded beyond buddying.

I think DMSIS's actions today combined with gandalf's stuff yesterday is most scummy. andrew would be second scummiest. His post, "ok chkflip then akira" without voting either, then he tries to sneak an Akira vote in afterwards. That just did not sit well with me.

[ThAdmiral]

Yo sleepless. Don't think you can make one good post when the heat was on and then disappear.

Where you at?

[andrew94]

chevre? chkflip returned