Mini 1105: A Mafia Invasion! (Game Over)

[RobCapone]

@ jerbs - you have me saying something in your post that was actually said by Llamagod, putting words in my mouth bro or a slip up?

the post where he says it is here - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2718324

[RobCapone]

Zdenek replaces Dizzle effective immediately. Please welcome him to the game!

yay!!!

[Zdenek]

Hi. I'll read the thread and let you know what I think within the next day or so.

[Ellibereth]

Sadnesss overwhelmingggggg....I was hoping you guys would have strung up little Dizzle and I wouldn't have to read the walls until night now aeruerghah.
Thus I will further delay until Zdenek makes him further obvscum. GO ZDE GO!

...

UNVOTE: Dizzle

I made up my mind. I don't want to see Dizzle lynched without a defense. There is too big of a chance of the lurking being a townie fluke.

When I first read this, I thought it was scummy. Now that I read it again, I have no idea. >.<

HEY ME TOO. Except that I still kinda think it's scummy, but I'm going all confirmation bias on Dizzlescum for a little bit more.
I actually have to look at Jerbs again. Something's been ringing town in me. May just have been his avatar...
and Agar, but without the town part.

AND YOU

at this point i guess i will

unvote

to give rain a chance to get into the game, since he or she cant answer for mute's actions.

[RobCapone]

Elli, why does it seem you become vocal after a couple people vote for you?

Also why are you pushing a lynch of somebody who was getting replaced?

You aren't playing very smart in my opinion

[Ellibereth]

What people voted for me?

[Ellibereth]

....
NOONE VOTED FOR ME.
Because I think they're scum durrr?

[Guderian]

How is it that we let absolute useless tasky just skate by?

I just dont see any of jerbs or rosswilliam as scum

[pappums rat]

i dont believe rosswilliams' story,it seems like utter horse shit to me, and considering that he has been on my scumdar most of the game, i will

vote rosswilliam

and tasky does indeed need to start actually posting ffs.

[Guderian]

Ross wagon take 1:

Tasky, Vigilante Ventrioquist, Jerbs, Pappums rat, Dizzle, Mute

Ross wagon take 2:

Robcapone, AGar, Jerbs, pappums rat

Ellibereth (also voted ross)

Only Player Slots never voting for Ross:
VP Baltar
Gud
Llama


Considering 2 of my strongest town reads have never voted for Ross, I am official calling this wagon bunk. The fact that 9 people out of a possible 12 people have all at one time or another voted this man is astounding.

[LlamaGod]

Gwappa Gwappa Gwappa.
I want one of Pappums/Agar/Jerbs lynched today.
I don't see RW making the saw-dizzle-online thing up as scum and I see his wagon as extremely appealing to scum who can say "but we caught him being wrong, so I had no choice but to vote him."
Those three have all individually been scummy before this business.
Tasky, please help us out with some actual content, and Zdenek please give them some attention in your catch up post.

[AGar]

I don't see RW making the saw-dizzle-online thing up as scum and I see his wagon as extremely appealing to scum who can say "but we caught him being wrong, so I had no choice but to vote him."

You're a hydra, so you have the same ability that I do.

- Log into one of your mains as hidden, preferably with a nice cushion between the last time you logged in with it.
- Log out.
- Log into your hydra.
- Check your last visited time on your main.

It's still there.
RC said Dizzle's wasn't. Meaning Dizzle was hidden all along. Only way that could have happened.

So RW made it up.

WHAT pro-town motivation is there... at all?

[RobCapone]

....
NOONE VOTED FOR ME.
Because I think they're scum durrr?

I voted for you I believe

[Zdenek]

I'll start off by commenting on the new Ross wagon as LlamaGod asked. I agree that it is unlikely that someone would lie about seeing another person online, so I am going to say that either he made a mistake or is telling the truth. I think neither of these options tells us anything about his alignment. While it's true that scum would like to hide behind "but we caught him lying, so we had to vote him," townies could also use this reason to vote someone while scum just sit by and watch. Anyway, I'm going with null on the incident in general.

If there is anything else anyone wouldd like me to comment on, please ask.

Here are some people who caught my eye.

Agar: puts Mute at L-2 for quoting an IC, and in this post there is a bit of spaghetti flinging (accusing Mute of pseudo IC'ing and a scumbag freaking out, I think that since Mute is fairly new, his "mute is over reacting because he is aware of the sincerity of the pressure on him" argument is unreasonable). There's some protown fluff. He says that there is a "major inconsistency" in the RossWilliam's, I saw dizzle online argument, but never says what that inconsistency is. I think this is him using an incredibly exaggerated argument to cast doubt on Ross's argument.

Ellibereth: I don't like the no vote at the start of the game. I see it as avoiding conflict. He presents a false dilemma and points it out. He also posts a lot of fluff.

I think Mute's been pretty scummy because of the no lynch vote at the start of the game, unvoting under pressure, pro-town banter, the L-1 vote. I also don't like the mutual unvote between Rob and Mute.

pappums rat: I don't like how he got on to the Mute wagon at the start of the game. I can't see how he couldn't have considered getting on the wagon, so the way he chose not to and then changed his mind at the request of Tasky feels unnatural. I don't like the unvote of Mute when rain enters the game.

RobCapone: He's been guilty of "showing up when his name is called," he's made some pro-town banter. However, his attacks on Agar and Ellibereth show active scum hunting.

RossWilliam: Fluff posting at the start of the game and what felt like playing dumb. I think the fact that he unvoted Dizzle makes his attack on Dizzle seem insincere.

At the moment, I don't think Ellibereth, Pappums Rat or Rob is scummy enough to be lynched, but I wouldn't object to lynching mute. I'd be surprised if there wasn't one scum in RossWilliams and Agar, and I think Agar is scummier.

Vote Agar

[Zachrulez]

10th vote count of day 1:

Rosswilliam - 4 (Robcapone, AGar, Jerbs, Pappums rat)
Jerbs - 3 (Tasky, Rain, Llamagod)
Zdenek - 2 (Guderian, Ellibereth)
AGar - 2 (VP Baltar, Zdenek)
Pappums rat - 1 (Vigilante Ventrioquist)

Not voting: 1 (Rosswilliam)

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch

Day 1 will end no later than Friday Jan 14th at 3pm CST

[VP Baltar]

Hey, AGar, what do you think of Guderian's post 259?

[RobCapone]

I'd rather see a RW wagon, and am sad that my point is being ignored.

It's not being ignored, people just feel it was just a mistake. The more I think about it, it's a horrible reason for a wagon.

Yes I too voted him for it but you seem to be pushing harder than me

Testing it on your hydra and what not, seems like making a mountain out of a molehill

I do like Gud's point about the people voting for Ross but will just say that even town gets misguided so to say it's bunk isn't what I would say, but I would say it's not today's lynch

I don't like how agar seems to be going after easy targets, opportunistic vote on mute and this vote on Ross

unvote

At work now, I plan to do a thorough read through today now I'm down another game I have more time to dedicate to this one, I feel like I have not played like I want and plan to take the gloves off and get serious

[AGar]

Hey, AGar, what do you think of Guderian's post 259?

It's wrong.

[VP Baltar]

And in what regard do you disagree with it?

Why is it impossible for the Ross thing to simply be a human error?

[Rain]

I lied. I would now support an AGar lynch, but would still rather see Jerbs dead by tonight.

Not only do AGar's arguments against RossW seem unconvincing, it feels as if he's taking something minor to exaggerate it beyond reason.

[VP Baltar]

^give this kid a gold star

[RobCapone]

Waiting til I get home tonight to do my read through but I regret that I unvoted Agar now

[Jerbs]

@ jerbs - you have me saying something in your post that was actually said by Llamagod, putting words in my mouth bro or a slip up?

the post where he says it is here - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2718324

Shit. My bad. That was completely unintentional.

[LlamaGod]

PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT VOTING: THERE ARE 3 DAYS UNTIL DEADLINE. MAKE YOURSELVES USEFUL AND VOTE JERBS/AGAR.

I understand that RW can't have seen what he claimed to have seen.
It just doesn't feel at all like something scum would do intentionally, so I lean toward mistake rather than lie.
Guderian's 259 actually makes a lot of sense to me; I don't see who Ross' buddies would be.

Lets run one of Agar/Jerbs up to L-1 and hear a claim tomorrow so we can think about it for a day before lynching.

Additions to cases in next post.

[VP Baltar]

Dizzle's early game content is a bit sketchy, but I'm willing to at least see if there's going to be a replacement there before making any decisions. I'm still more into Mute-scum (now Rain-scum).

I like how Dizzle's replacement gets the benefit of the doubt, but Mute's doesn't. Cause she was trying to sound like an IC and such.

Hey Jerbs, whatcha think of AGar?

How about:

Another note - I'm not liking the whole RW "I saw Dizzle online!" thing right now. It feels like there's a major inconsistency here, and it's pushing me towards a scummier read on RossWilliams, more solidified if Dizzle is to flip town.

Chaining lynches together for no conceivable reason?

- VP Baltar. No substantial reasoning behind this. Mostly gut.

I was liking you until I read this.

and this:

I would be really disappointed in a D1 Agar

kind of wondering what changed your mind there considering no real change in terribleness has come from AGar in the past two pages.

Only Player Slots never voting for Ross:
VP Baltar
Gud
Llama

^Town Alliance right there. Let's lynch AGar scum. Llama has been on the right track for awhile now, but you can still get on early Guderian.

I lied. I would now support an AGar lynch, but would still rather see Jerbs dead by tonight.

Yeah, you need to explain this better because AGar's been exaggerating that shit on RW and Mute all game...after which you said that you would never want to lynch him today. Now that his wagon gains steam, you do a miraculous 180. Do tell. Also, I'm taking back my gold star because I wasn't paying much attention earlier. Now I am and you've failed. hmph.

Elli and Tasky, get yo bidness up on this AGar wagon.