Mini 1090: Of Rogues and Curses ~ Game Over

[Ythill]

• Vote Count
  
  3 ~ Seraphim (Uite, inHimshallibe, tanstalas)
  3 ~ tanstalas (Seraphim, nocase, Vi)
  
  Not voting: Zorblag, mothrax

• Notes
  
  
• With eight alive it takes five to lynch.
  
• The deadline is Saturday, January 22nd, 23:00 PST (GMT-8).
  
• Overall prods: Zorblag (2), Mothrax (1).

[nocase]

unvote.

tanstalas just looks too town.

[nocase]

to answer your question, nocase, it was process of elimination.

also, wow, i'm slow. check this out.

I already said she was my number two scum read at the time.

Then why would you even consider Vi? I mean, I would have approved of the Vi block given my view during the night, but considering RBing someone because he/she leads the town over your number two suspect?

I'm sort of waiting on Troll/Seraphim before casting my Mothrax vote.

lol? I don't think it really matters if I vote now or after Troll/Seraphim come back; but whatever.

VOTE: mothrax

how certain are you guys that mothrax's role is confirmable town?

[Vi]

to answer your question, nocase, it was process of elimination.

also, wow, i'm slow. check this out.

I already said she was my number two scum read at the time.

Then why would you even consider Vi? I mean, I would have approved of the Vi block given my view during the night, but considering RBing someone because he/she leads the town over your number two suspect?

I'm sort of waiting on Troll/Seraphim before casting my Mothrax vote.

lol? I don't think it really matters if I vote now or after Troll/Seraphim come back; but whatever.

VOTE: mothrax

how certain are you guys that mothrax's role is confirmable town?

It's not.

[nocase]

vote: mothrax.

[Vi]

*Seraphim bait goes here*

[inHimshallibe]

Oof. I read back through Seradalf and how he handled Exe's claim.

Oh wow. Bellydancer could EASILY be a scum role.

No vote to accompany this seems damning, though his later response to Vi seems more Town that's just a bit off.

Vi, that was what I wanted to say about Exe's role. I just wasn't sure how to phrase it.

Yet still no vote seems equally as damning as before.

I'm comfortable with the deaths of Seraphim, mothrax, tanstalas, Zorblag, nocase, Uite, Vi, inHim in that order.

[mothrax]

@Zorblag I was hoping to prevent a kill...
@nocase lolwut?

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: Mothrax

Goddammit I feel overwhelmed but I think that a Mothrax lynch is better as far as my reads go rather than PoE.

[nocase]

seraphim, what happened to tanstalas-scum?

also, i'm starting to feel like there's something off about tans's style and trail of scum hunting, but maybe i'm just getting paranoid.

[tanstalas]

I have a style?

Oh - and figured out Vi is female... I feel silly

[Zorblag]

@mothrax, how many scum were you thinking there probably were at the start of the day today?

@Seraphim, this is voting for mothrax for the same reason that you were voting him earlier or do you have more to share on why you think that he's scummy? Once again, what was your reasoning for him not being the lynch earlier?

@everyone else, help me out with how easy some reasoning is if you will. If mothrax was using his night action to try to block scum for tonight how obvious is it that Vi saying that he was going to die means that mothrax didn't block scum trying to make a kill (assuming mothrax believes Vi)? If mothrax was thinking there were three scum apparently even I'm having trouble thinking that he would follow Vi's vote to start the day like he did. I expect him to look scummy with his play but I'm having trouble with that move as in theory it's the whole point of his night action. Is it not as clear as I think that it is? Upon further consideration I'm less inclined to give the credit for clearing Uite that I had been given that he failed to see mention it.

Past that Seraphim's vote there looks pretty hollow. I'm not sure how he's getting to the stances that he's getting at right now and it feels like the other lynch besides himself is losing momentum so the mothrax vote (without more motivation) is grasping at not getting lynched himself.

I'll let them reply to this and I want to take a look at both of them (as well as gandalf5166) again (with an eye on mothrax to see if I've been too generous) but one of them will probably get my vote tomorrow.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[mothrax]

at the time I was confused about the mechanics and the way things worked. for some reason it was in my head that my roleblock would prevent whatever kill was *submitted* the next night. I didnt realise I was mistaken untill earlier this gameday.

and to answer your question: 3

[Zorblag]

@mothrax, that's a fast answer and an interesting way to have been thinking about it. It looks like you were expecting to potentially block a kill two nights after you submitted the block which doesn't strike me as what I'd expect at all. I'll sleep on it I think.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Ythill]

In spite of the fact that nobody qualifies for a prod yet, activity is lagging. The holidays are over, let's pick up the pace, please.

• Vote Count
  
  3 ~ Seraphim (Uite, inHimshallibe, tanstalas)
  2 ~ mothrax (nocase, Seraphim)
  1 ~ tanstalas (Vi)
  
  Not voting: Zorblag, mothrax

• Notes
  
  
• With eight alive it takes five to lynch.
  
• The deadline is Saturday, January 22nd, 23:00 PST (GMT-8).
  
• Overall prods: Zorblag (2), Mothrax (1).

[Vi]

In spite of the fact that nobody qualifies for a prod yet, activity is lagging. The holidays are over, let's pick up the pace, please.

I'm drowning in my modded games.

Unvote: tanstalas

It feels like I'm going through the motions because... right now, I kind of am v.v

Question for Seraphim is a good one.
Question about mothrax - I didn't really buy the "clear" argument in the first place.
If mothrax is Town he likely sheeped my Uite read without thinking about what it meant. If scum, probably ditto.

[nocase]

oh, vi, i had misread your list(s) in the first place. for some reason i thought mothrax was crossed off.

uite is not clear. he could be a godfather or i could be insane. intuitively, though, he looks town to me despite his reads.

with respect to inhimshallibe, i'm torn.

between mothrax and tanstalas, i think tanstalas's claim fits the setup better, especially if there are only three buckets. so does uite's for that matter.

also, i completely forgot about the curse element. sup, mafia recruiter. if kills go in ahead of time and recruits occur instantly then that is a potential explanation for vi's continued non-carcassiness.

[Zorblag]

@Vi, given that mothrax was trying to stop a kill with his roleblock I think that mindlessly sheeping you after seeing the result would actually be less likely as town just because he would have thought the consequences through. The fact that he's claiming that he was expecting to block the next kill accounts for that though it's irritating as I don't think it's a particularly likely assumption for him to have made. On the other hand I'm also pretty shocked that tanstalas apparently didn't think that a roleblocker would block kills. It's a matter of sorting out which are legitimate misunderstandings of mechanics that I think are clear and which are attempts to cover up scummy play.

@nocase, I've got three theories about the curses which I'll probably share tomorrow after I have a chance to see something. I don't think that it works as a straight up recruitment though. If it did then I shouldn't be able to cure it or the recruit would have had some extra information. It might be a delayed recruitment type thing I suppose (in which I'd have a window of a night or maybe two to cure it before it kicked in.) If that was the case then I assume that I'd have some other way of knowing that it would be a good time to use my beer. As it is, since it's a one shot ability I'm guessing that I'm not supposed to just be guessing blindly about how it's used and that it'll be clearer. Out of curiosity, why do you assume that curses recruit?

I also don't think that pitch pipe == town for Uite; the double minstrel role is off as everyone else seems to have had unique roles (which is why I want to know when Uite learned that his role was a duplicate.) It's the roleblock and the assumed 3 member scum team that make that give us a prob-town Uite as far as I'm concerned.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[nocase]

d'oh, you're right; we can't have some guy walking out of a scum quicktopic in his town hat. maybe it is preventive then. or maybe it's something entirely different, whatever.

[Uite]

@Uite, if inHimshallibe ever fails to be able to demonstrate his claimed ability we'll be able to lynch him then. It'd be pretty shocking if that was the case but unless we think that extra insight is particularly helpful now (and I don't particuarly think that to be the case) it's better to hold onto it at this point. Also, when did you learn that you had the same role as VP Baltar? Upon his death?

Yeah, I saw it when he flipped. I knew that people were going to ask about it, since we haven't seen any other duplicate roles yet, so I pointed it out immediately myself. Our roles aren't exactly the same though; we seem to be of opposite gender, which matters for at least one claimed role.

In other news, in post #933 Seraphim continues his pattern of voting for anyone who seems a viable lynch that isn't him.

uite is not clear. he could be a godfather or i could be insane. intuitively, though, he looks town to me despite his reads.

How would that work though? Thieves don't really have sanity issues, do they? It'd be like stealing something from Captain Picard and getting a lightsaber. The item you got is consistent with my role, so why the worry?

[inHimshallibe]

It'd be like stealing something from Captain Picard and getting a lightsaber.

lol

[inHimshallibe]

Beggar sounds like such a blah rolename, even for a VT.

[nocase]

point taken, uite, but that doesn't clear you of being a godfather type.

[nocase]

or musical scum.

[Uite]

point taken, uite, but that doesn't clear you of being a godfather type.

or musical scum.

That's true, and I guess it comes down to whether or not you trust me. The "blocked but a kill is happening anyway" argument seems like compelling evidence to me, but I'm not sure whether I'm the best to judge that, since I already know I'm clear, and have known since the start of the game.