Mini 1105: A Mafia Invasion! (Game Over)

[Zachrulez]

Just over 2 days to deadline.

[Zachrulez]

12th vote count of day 1:

Jerbs - 5 (Tasky, Rain, Llamagod, Guderian, Pappums rat)
Pappums rat - 2 (Vigilante Ventrioquist, Jerbs)
Zdenek - 1 (Ellibereth)

Not voting: 1 (Rosswilliam, VP Baltar, Zdenek, Robcapone)

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch

Day 1 will end no later than Friday Jan 14th at 3pm CST

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, Vote: Jerbs

L-1

And you're probably the only viable lynch at this point, so you might need to claim if someone is willing to hammer.

[Zdenek]

I'll repeat myself: VP, could you explain how the killing of Agar could have been done to save Jerbs?

[VP Baltar]

If the scum had an ability to kill the leading wagon and thought it would end the day.

[Jerbs]

Why would scum think it would end the day? People should read their role and understand what it does. Also, I would assume a kill like this would be a day-kill

If we had scum that wanted to save Jerbscum with a one-shot ability like this, then Jerbscum is pretty stoopid

[LlamaGod]

Zdenek is looking rather obviously like Jerbsbuddy #1.
He didn't mention Jerbs when catching up despite Jerbs being more important than most topics.
He was on Agar's wagon, which looked like a counterwagon to protect Jerbs.
Now he and Jerbs are both trying to use the pretty much ridiculous suggestion that scum were responsible for the daykill to protect Jerbs.
Several other players got to L-smallnumber today, so unless they're all scum I find it unlikely the power that killed Agar was a scum votecountbased PR.
It's also unlikely relatively unlikely to have been a mafia assassin as Agar was at that point pretty much the most useful/informative target.
Jerbs' vote on Dizzle earlier came after he was instructed to by ellibereth and while there was claimed proof of Dizzlescum, so I see a possible bus there.

We need a claim from Jerbs and a Jerbs lynch unless he claims the other mason role or something like that.

[LlamaGod]

Jerbs, claim please.

[Ellibereth]

Gut still says Jerbbbbs is town.
But what the hell: intention to hammer claim yaddiyaddiyaddiyaddi...

Am I the only one that thinks Rosswilliam almost basically has to be scum now given that Agar just proved that he was lying...? I only searched for a little bit through the D names but I don't see which ones that he could have confused with Dizzle that would have been logged on and showing it...

qethqethqeth

Unvote, Vote Ross

jerby, still claim. Unless these people suddenly decide to become my mindpuppets and change wagons.

[Ellibereth]

Oh Zdnek is still scum.

[Zdenek]

If the scum had an ability to kill the leading wagon and thought it would end the day.

Under the assumption that this was a scum killing, which I think is unlikely in the first place, I think it is much more likely that scum killed Agar to ensure a Jerbs' lynch (since he was the competing wagon at the time), than the scum didn't understand their role and killed Agar to try to save Jerbs.

Zdenek is looking rather obviously like Jerbsbuddy #1.
He didn't mention Jerbs when catching up despite Jerbs being more important than most topics.
He was on Agar's wagon, which looked like a counterwagon to protect Jerbs.
Now he and Jerbs are both trying to use the pretty much ridiculous suggestion that scum were responsible for the daykill to protect Jerbs.

I didn't mention everything in my catchup post. In my read through, I didn't find too much remarkable about Jerbs. I have in my notes that he made a useless post and a post that seemed too logical.

I have never suggested that scum used the day-kill to protect Jerbs. In fact, I was actively questioning VP about this suggestion.

[Ellibereth]

Oh Zdnek is still scum.

wait a second, this doesn't make sense with Rossscum does it?
Unless mutli-scum or whatever shenanigans.
bleh whatever I can sort that out later...

[Jerbs]

Ima cop

@Llamagod

I wasn't suggesting that it was a scum pr that killed Agar. I was questioning VP's claim that it was.

@Pappums rat

You just jump in and say

well, i suppose that makes a compromise lynch easier for me lol. and since no one wants to lynch rw, i guess i will

unvote vote jerbs

. he didnt help his case imo with his last post. this part:

jerbs wrote:

Hold on a moment. Agar was leading a wagon on Ross, who is far from being lynched today.

For the following, assume I'm scum

Why would I use a one-shot ability on Agar? Agar was pretty close to getting lynched, and I would know that he's town, so why kill him early? Also, most of you thought that there was prob scum between me and Agar. Since Agar flipped town, wouldn't that mean that I'm prob scum? So why, as scum, would I kill the guy that other people wanted to lynch when I would know that he's town? How would this save me at all?

is so full of wifom it isnt even funny. considering his behavior day 1, i think jerbs is a good lynch.

which is pretty much just saying that you support my lynch without contributing anything. This is yet another reason that I think you should be lynched.

[LlamaGod]

Any breadcrumbs?

[Guderian]

Cop + Masons + Mysterious Killing Role (possibly day-vig?) = way too much town sided for any setup reviewer to give the go ahead.

[VP Baltar]

Is there any question as to your sanity Jerbs?

[LlamaGod]

I'd say given the Masons and daykiller, there are maybe 1 or 2 other town PRs.
Since Jerbs was getting lynched, and I specifically pointed out he'd be lynched barring a PR claim, I think scumJerbs claims a PR.
That means, assuming 3-4 scum, that Jerbs is at least 60% scum at this point.
That's more than twice the odds of finding scum otherwise (~25-30%), so I'd say we should still lynch him.

Cop is also particularly easy for scum to claim because they can give legitimate answers.

[LlamaGod]

Hrm, I hadn't thought about nonguaranteed sanity, that would make cop/vig more likely.
Jerbs, is sanity mentioned in your role PM?

[RobCapone]

ok now so a lot has happened today since I last checked in, just reading through the one thing that stood out in my mind is VP was pushing hard for an Agar lynch, even asking Jerbs his thoughts on Agar at one point, Agar gets killed and flips mason and than has a 180 and acts like the Agar kill was the stupidest thing ever(really? you were pushing for his lynch VO) and now he thinks this was a scum plot that backfired and Jerbs is scum.

*mindblown*

yes that is very much a possibility of what happened VP and I admit that Jerbs play has been very iffy at best, I think he has said he would vote for half of the players in this game so he definitly gets some scum points, but this goes back to the point I tried to make about speculation, it is a slippery slope and there could be any number of other possibilities of what triggered the kill and the motivation behind it.


this Jerbs lynch is going to be very telling and I am not sure if VP is going to look clean once the dust settles.

if Jerbs flips town, his 180 is going to look scum motivated to protect Ross
if Jerbs flips scum, it is going to look like he bussed his own partner

I just went back and I am not seeing any sort of breadcrumb and I will say that if Jerbs flipps town than we really need to start looking into VP, Tasky, and Pappums

if jerbs flips scum, I would still put VP on that list and maybe Elleran, she says she is going to hammer and than votes Ross but tells Jerbs to claim.

just a very weird sort of events

and side note, where the hell is Tasky and VV at? This close to deadline and they are awfully quiet.

Right now I need to hear Jerbs more, he was asked some good questions that need to be answered.

[RobCapone]

Hrm, I hadn't thought about nonguaranteed sanity, that would make cop/vig more likely.
Jerbs, is sanity mentioned in your role PM?

yes I think we need to learn as much about this cop role as we can, he has made the claim so no need in hiding anything now

[Guderian]

I rethought. Is there precedent for what the higher percentage play here with a claimed cop d1? Vote someone else, tell him who to investigate, then after reports lynch him? Lynch him right here and now?

Mafia know if he's bsing.

[RobCapone]

well in the games I have played on this site I think I have seem cop claimed day 1 and once was scum and once was really cop, neither got lynched day 1 but both of them played like they should have been a cop.

typically I am not a fan of lynching a power role day 1, but we already are down a person and it isn't even the end of day 1.

It comes down to do you believe the claim or not and I can't tell that until we hear from him

[RobCapone]

ok guys, I am off to bed, if for whatever reason this bandwagon doesn't happen and it decided we keep him around for a night, can we please look Pappums or Tasky wagon, those 2 aren't contributing anything to this game, pappums is slightly but he is just following people.

[LlamaGod]

damn I hate when there is any sort of weather condition because my DSL takes a crap, not going to be able to do the readthrough that I wanted on my phone but I am going back to my earlier vote

That last post by Jerbs has me scratching my head

FOS: Jerbs

Vote Agar

I had thought you might be town for thinking Tasky's statement made him town, but now you want to lynch Tasky or Pappums instead of Jerbs? These are the same people Jerbs is pushing. And until just now I don't see Pappums suspicion from Rob.

So that means a Rob/Zdenek/Jerbs scumteam would make immense sense to me.

[LlamaGod]

Yeah, looking back everyone who has been voting Rob at somepoint are my town reads and Rob was on both of the sketchiest wagons (Agar & RW)