Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Starbuck]

Also, I do know Reck's role exactly as it was written. Paraphrased, it's like this...

Every odd night he can (could) recruit. If the person is town, they'd join the masons and not lose their powers. If the person is Red/Yellow/Orange, he'd die, we can't recruit anymore, and that player won't become a mason.

[Starbuck]

The second half of that happened which is why Kats is scum.

[danakillsu]

I just realized/remembered that somewhere earlier in this process, I may have stated that there was exactly 1 PR per faction or exactly 4 people per faction besides the SK. This is not a real guarantee for this game. Only what I have stated in the OP is given to you as factual about this setup.

[The Stove]

Guys, you're not posting enough. It's way too easy for me to keep up with this game.

I like Starbuck's thing the best. So we'll preliminary VOTE: Katsuki until AGar gets a chance to check in.


P.S. I want to see some KageLord posts ITT.


-PZ

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote Count

SensFan [5] - tanstalas, Kast, AlmasterGM, Toogeloo, nopointinactingup

nopointinactingup [4]

- Fate, SpyreX, Katsuki, Plum

Katsuki [3]

- Starbuck, Andrius, The Stove

Not voting [9]

- Dekes, Jack, KageLord, Kdub, Kublai Khan, MagnaofIllusion, SensFan, Stephoscope, xvart

With

21

alive, it is

11

to lynch. Deadline is February 1, 2011.

[Jack]

I'm going to keep my vote off and let scum decide which of kats and nopoint we lynch.

[MagnaofIllusion]

That Andrius still has his [REDACTED] ring (or hasn’t claimed Vi stole it) makes me believe the ‘Outed Ring Color Collector’ theory to be bunk.

Vi’s janitoring pretty much signals to me that she was killed by Yellow scum. Red scum no longer have a Janitor (or I assume so since Atrocious is dead and they better not have two) and I can’t see Yellow wasting a janitor night action on someone they can’t be certain is going to die otherwise.

TL DR summary of below

- Reck's list is still good. NoPoint and Sens have now been joined by Steph on the Crosskill / Lynch express.

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more posts moi needs to post a wall hes ojscum or yellowscum or w/e

I put this right up front so you couldn’t miss it. And I double checked the rules to make sure our Tyrannous Overlords didn’t outlaw the following –

3 Month Avatar Bet

– If I die or due to janitoring am revealed in Post Game as Red, Yellow, or Orange Scum (yeah, I threw in Red for you as a freebie) you can choose any site valid avatar and I will use it on this account for three months.

If I die or due to janitoring am revealed anything else Post Game and I get to choose the site valid avatar you use on the Fate account for three months.

Willing to put your Avatar where your mouth is and show you really aren’t just a blow-hard who doesn’t truly believe they are as good as they posture?

I am. I’ve never lost one of these bets. Usually people aren’t willing to take them (Spyrex, remember that in Victorian Vampire Mafia?) or back out like Furc-VI in Reaper’s BandB Mafia (remember that Kast?).

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Kats was scummy yesterday and that's good evidence, there were only three deaths though. Kats should claim.

To further develop that line of thinking, based on my ‘Vi killed by Yellow’ thoughts above, that if Kats is scum who caused Reck to die via Mason mis-fire then the Red kill is probably missing.

Either that or Red just outright killed Reck since he nailed two of their members on his scumlist and the Masonize death either didn’t occur or was covered up.

@MODS – Would overkill (two kill sources on one player) show in the flavor?

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I breadcrumbed it I'm a hider and I have no idea why I'm not dead yet.

Where did you breadcrumb?

Your claim stinks pretty badly. John Stewart as a Hider? And that you must have been blocked since you didn’t die behind Vi? That sounds like you are making that up to cover Spyrex’s unrevealed role-information to me.

It must have been because I was roleblocked or

Vi was janitored.

Emphasis added. Janitoring has nothing to do with this. Vi died. You hid behind him. Thus regardless of whether he was janitored you should be worm food. The question is -- were you role-blocked? I honestly don't want anyone pipping up to say so since they are likely a Town PR given how scummy you were yesterday.

VOTE: NoPoint

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Examining nightkills is WIFOM and all...are we really to believe Reck's list was totally accurate just because he hit two (and he definitely deserves credit for that) and was then killed?

So let’s ignore the list that is so far 2/2 just because he died and pray throwing buzzwords (WIFOM) at it will help the argument? Yeah, I sense that you have some sort of vested interest in not having Town dig too deeply into that list.

Sorry, I'm just a nobody with no powers.

Didn’t you attack Fate (as I quoted below) for outing his ‘role’ under no pressure? Cognitive Dissonance? Check.

I'm not scum. What is your case on me? And why the hell would you advertise you have investigative powers?

Look, we have Gud part two!

Steph is clearly scum. Moving on …

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Janitors were probably the way to help expand Mass Color Claim scum help btw. Both teams having a Janitor gave the teams extra claim power. I'm thinking a mass color claim on Day 1 would not have been as bad as people made it seem.

Um whut????

1. The main objection to mass-claiming was the unknowns (now confirmed by Dana-MOD) about actual player distribution.
2. You suggest that multiple Janitors were a way for scum to help defeat Mass-claims and thus make Scum even less detectable by that technique.
3. You suggest that things would not be as bad as suggested because Scum have clear counter-measures to the mass claim? Wouldn't that make things at least as bad as suggested yesterday?

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We can almost put this game on cruise-control. the scumz are just throwing themselves at us.

Just like Gud did and you repeatedly suggested you didn’t see? Just checking.

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Ohhh Steph.

Its probably not a good idea to up and claim scum and all.

Why would you bother to tell scum to not claim so? Why? Why?

Fate I'm seriously you will break my heart if you're gambiting.

Coming off LOTR this makes me chuckle ….

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Agree that Stepho probably needs to

get active

/get killed/

investigated soon

.

FTFY

But I have this sneaking suspicious Vi was the SK. Just gut.

Then are you disputing Kats’ watch on you? Because Vi visited you per Kats and you didn’t end up all smushed by Orange Power. Add in that Dram likely could only have been the Orange kill (or a Vig kill with some deaths missing) and I’m not leaning towards Vi = Larfleeze.

[tanstalas]

I like Starbuck's explanation

Unvote:
Vote: Katsuki

[Dekes]

Not Surprised gud was scum.

Not surprised dram was scum.

nopoint, kdub, and Kats are probably scum.

Steph is acting scummy.

FTFY.

But honestly, Jack is the best summarizer.


Watching Andrius makes no sense imo. I think he'd attract more investigative roles than scum. One of the powerhouses like Vi or MoI would've been better choices to watch. But poor choice of action isn't necessarily scummy.

Hiding behind Vi makes even less sense. Especially considering npiau had Vi as town throughout D1. How would you not expect someone like Vi to get killed early on? And this goes beyond poor choice of action.


I don't think I'll ever trust a cop claiming Fate again. BUT Fate, IF you are indeed a cop, why do you want to get nipau lynched instead of your confirmed scum SensFan?


Steph is either scum or the scummiest, whiniest, most overly defensive, non contributing, useless townie I've seen in quite a while.


If we're discussing about who should get investigated next, I'll throw in Kdub and Stove as good choices.


And finally, we can get rid of noise and scum at the same time!? This could only be topped if it were my birthday today...what!? It IS my birthday? Sweet.

Vote: Katsuki

Reck may have been roleblocked or not, doesn't matter anyway since Kats was already scum yesterday.

[Fate]

unvote:
vote: katsuki

if spyrex wont rewalclaim katsuki is the play today

he is also a scumwatcher trying to out prs so thats good


moi use of avatar bets is ironic

you call me an incompetent player and not as good as i think i am etc etc

yet you resort to out of game bets to artificially increase your towniness

Ah let me type normally for this, as it's important. What you are doing is saying, "Oh you think you're right? I'll bet you $1000 real money if you are" and what can I do? It's just a game. Bringing outside influences or "site-wide meta alliances" is DANGEROUSLY close to breaking the intent of the site. ALSO it is just indicative of your suboptimal play. You can't play naturally enough for me to read you as town, you have to resort to avatar bets? Good lord that's just as bad as Parama.

It also breaks the spirit of the game, because what if I'm scum? What if I'm trying to push your mislynch? Do I take your bet and therefore artificially increase MY towniness, only to go post game "I was scum, I'm not doing the bet"? It just reeks of cheating and gaming the system ALL AROUND.

I mean seriously, I'm arrogant and all but it is REALLY just self-confidence (a good thing)x1000. Your posts ALWAYS come off as elitist and "fuck you peasants" when you look down at your nose on people. I criticize people's play harshly at times, but it is usually in an almost sarcastic joking matter that doesn't cut to the bone (and if anyone has been cut to the bone by my critcisms, please PM me the post in question. I'd be more than happy to explain the real motivations behind my post at that time and to give you pointers)

And since I'm posting with grammar and sense and plenty of other PRs have been outed: No I'm not a day-cop, anyone from LOTR KNOWS I'm not a daycop. I'm a miller from the Green Latern Corps, Tomar-Re. Hal Jordan is a jackass who has my dead friend's stuff, etc.

Sensfan
Stephoscope
nopoint
Katsuki
Some other people that can be outed as scum eventually through PoE.
(oh yeah like Dekes who just posted)

I'm surprised Kast has not chastised me for my early "claim" and instead asked the mechanics behind it, seeing as he has not played with me before.

Anyone back to nocaps mode, which I'll drop completely once Katsuki-the last member of our alliance and scumbag infiltrator-is dead.

Katsuki is obviously yellow watcher btw, or ballsy red watcher, but scum nonetheless hoping Andrius would draw a doc protect.

[Fate]

Happy Bday by the way Dekes.

(yeah I wouldn't trust a cop claim from me either >_>)

[Starbuck]

What particularly do you like about it, tanstalas?

[Fate]

he likes that katsuki isnt scum with him while nopoint is lolololol

[Fate]

which means kats is redscum cuz tanstalas wants to be investigated like a yellow godfather

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ah let me type normally for this, as it's important. What you are doing is saying, "Oh you think you're right? I'll bet you $1000 real money if you are" and what can I do? It's just a game. Bringing outside influences or "site-wide meta alliances" is DANGEROUSLY close to breaking the intent of the site. ALSO it is just indicative of your suboptimal play. You can't play naturally enough for me to read you as town, you have to resort to avatar bets? Good lord that's just as bad as Parama.

1. Horrible analogy. I’m not asking you to bet money, which is a precious real-life commodity that I would never expect anyone to waste on a game. I’m asking you to use a site resource that is free as a means of backing your ‘self-confidence’.
2. So making an avatar bet is close to ‘breaking the spirit of the site’? Really? Because if it was why does KMD have a Site Title that celebrates him losing one or more avatar bets?
3. Your little CapsLawkAlliance thing is far worse for the site than any avatar bet. True story.
4. You are criticizing me for playing in a manner that isn’t easily readable? Really? The Irony … it’s over 9000!

I mean seriously, I'm arrogant and all but it is REALLY just self-confidence (a good thing)x1000. Your posts ALWAYS come off as elitist and "fuck you peasants" when you look down at your nose on people. I criticize people's play harshly at times, but it is usually in an almost sarcastic joking matter that doesn't cut to the bone (and if anyone has been cut to the bone by my critcisms, please PM me the post in question. I'd be more than happy to explain the real motivations behind my post at that time and to give you pointers)

Yes, you are a playful little minx who never acts like an asshole. It’s just that everyone else mistakes your motivation.

I don’t expect a response to this from you. I consider this a rejection of the avatar bet mixed with an explosion of whining, and thus the matter is closed. I will not clog the thread any further on the matter.

[Fate]

1. Not horrible at all. You're betting something that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS GAME inside the game itself, I'll elaborate below.
2. That's the title naming committee's area, and obviously have probably not even looked at it from a "what's good for the site" view, but more just "for teh lulz and fitz" view
3. It is a scumhunting tactic tool, used in game, true story. We could make an MD thread if you really think alliances and voting blocs are ineffective at scumhunting. We quickhammered scum if you don't recall, something which you apparently approved of by putting him at L-2
4. I'm not saying you are playing unreadably, I'm saying that you are using artificial-and what I consider underhanded-means to increase your towniness. I am also saying that, yeah, I have a hard time reading you when there is just so much hate in your posts and interactions with me, that I can not read you as a normal player with normal non-confrontational feelings toward me.

Here's the thing Magna, you're ruining this game for us with your bet.

You're taking away from the Illusion (Magna of illusionahahahhSHUTTHEFUCKUP) of the mafia game. You're coming in and saying: "OH YEAH!? Well you're not tomar-re looking for evil laterns corps, you're just a PLAYER ON A WEBSITE THAT I HAPPEN TO HATE FOR GOD KNOWS WHAT REASONS, AND I WILL BET AVATARS WITH YOU THAT IM RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG.

That makes you pretty immature, like the kid who doesn't take his ball and goes home, but the kid who says: "NO I SHOT YOU FIRST. I KILLED YOU WITH INVINCIBLE GUN WEAPONS AND HAD A FORCE FIELD I CANT DIE" which is just sad considering you're a grown man and a CPA.

I mean, as stated in a certain dead QT, I've NEVER had a problem with your play or your posting. Then out of nowhere you come out against me with these unjustified attacks on my person and my play, and taking it WAY too far. It seeps into every game we're in, and it is just needless hate.

So once again, I don't have a problem playing with you, now can you let the hate in your heart go? You'd see that there's a lot more to enjoy in life if you let things go. And yes, I responded, you should've expected as much.

[Starbuck]

Magna, how about talking about things related to the game and taking this subject elsewhere?

[Plum]

MoI, this avatar bet thing is the completely classless and I'm extremely disappointed. There's a reason most rulesets have a clause which forbids any player to bring outside interwests or bets into the game in this manner. It doesn't matter whether there's money or an avatar involved; you're compromising the game's integrity. Kmd makes bets outside games, which is fine. Making serious bets on anything game-related is absolutely not. Blaming Fate for a playstyle, which, in your humble opinion, is not beneficial to the game isn't taking the high road and it's not an excuse. I have a different playstyle than Fate's in ways which mean you should respect it (and by extension, the way you seem to think, means you should respect me - but that's a whole other thorny issue I won't continue here), and I believe that what you just did is completely reprehensible, so don't appeal to that. Fate's post against you was extremely readable, but even if it weren't, it wouldn't be ironic (huh?) and it wouldn't be a point against Fate, nor one in your favor. Please get off your high horse.

Frankly I hope this gets you modkilled despite - and because of - the fact that this move makes you very very likely to be Town. Or just someone willing to change his avatar for three months to try to bully us into thinking he's Town.

You're better than this. Or you were.

[KageLord]

After skim of N1 and D2, Sens, NPIAU, Kats, and Steph are pretty darn likely scum. Starbuck's reasoning for Katsuki seems good to me and I detest scum watchers on principle (thanks to an old Mini), so my pick for the first to go would be VOTE: Katsuki

@Mod

The Stove is voting Kats.

[Fate]

classless

thats a better word thanks plum ^_^

oh hi kageskimscumlol

[tanstalas]

What particularly do you like about it, tanstalas?

Well, I like both the NPIAU and Katsuki lynches. However Reck is confirmed town, and we know he was a mason, and was most likely paired with at least someone to start. Since he was vouching for you and noone else has come forward to say that they were his mason partner I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are his mason buddy. Since you knew his role and what would happen if he targeted a scum member it just makes sense that Katsuki is scum as she is not in your mason (as someone pointed out) Correct me if I am wrong but kills happen last right? So Reck's recruitment would have gone through and then he would have died. Though there is the whole could have been RB'd, etc. I also did not like Katsuki's evading of my questions yesterday.

I also think NPIAU would be a good lynch because I am not sure why he would choose to hide behind Vi (seriously Vi and Andrius I thought seemed to be the most 'townie' yesterday and I thought at least one of them would be dead today) The fact that Vi died and NPIAU is still on this side of the turf makes me think he is bullshitting. Though I do not know why he would claim hiding behind someone he knows died because that would just make everyone question that claim. WIFOM and all that I suppose.

The fact being Reck would have had to have been RB'd to not recruit Katsuki, and for NPIAU to not die I would assume he would have had to have been RB'd as well? (assuming he thought he hid at Vi but he in fact didn't hence why he didn't die) That would mean 2 RB'ers - now I can see there being 2 RB's in the game, but this would be one hell of a coincidence if both RB's blocked Reck and NPIAU to give us the situation we have now. I think it is much more plausible that either NPIAU or Katsuki is lying.

I'm game for either lynch at this point. The Katsuki lynch is a slight edge because we have confirmation on Reck and thus you by association Starbuck, hence why I am siding with you.

I'm hoping Kats flips yellow - then maybe Fate and Andrius will realize I'm not mafia, though they will probably accuse me of bussing Katsuki then

[Starbuck]

Frankly I hope this gets you modkilled despite - and because of - the fact that this move makes you very very likely to be Town. Or just someone willing to change his avatar for three months to try to bully us into thinking he's Town.

Seconded.

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote Count

Katsuki [7] - Starbuck, Andrius, The Stove, tanstalas, Dekes, Fate, KageLord

nopointinactingup [4]

- SpyreX, Katsuki, Plum, MagnaofIllusion

SensFan [4]

- Kast, AlmasterGM, Toogeloo, nopointinactingup

Not voting [6]

- Jack, Kdub, Kublai Khan, SensFan, Stephoscope, xvart

With

21

alive, it is

11

to lynch. Deadline is February 1, 2011.

@ Magna:

I'm going to

disallow

avatar bets, unless dana has anything to say differently.

@ Magna:

Multiple kill actions resolving on a player

might or might not

show up in the flavor.

@ KageLord:

Thanks, I fixed the count in last votecount and it's still fixed in this one.

[Plum]

Even offering this sort of avatar bet is tantamount to violating the integrity of the game.

[ReaperCharlie]

... [insert WIFOMsnowball™ here] ...