Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[xvart]

In particular, I would like to hear from xvart and KageLord since they were on Reck yesterday.

I explained my read on Reckoner ad nauseum yesterday, and I stand by it. Anything particular you are looking for here?

It seems the scumz are coming out of the woodwork. I find it unlikely that Reck was both RBed and NKed in the same night, so that leaves Katsuki as scum. Pending anything more concrete from Andy and/or SpyreX on the other scumz this is the lynch today.

VOTE: Katsuki

[Toogeloo]

I am fairly certain that any one who is roleblocked and takes an action would be informed that they were roleblocked. So why the speculation over your own self being blocked nopoint? Shouldn't you know?

[Starbuck]

xvart, you stand by your read even though he was town?

[Kdub]

Thread explosion in the last 12 hours. I'd prefer a Katsuki lynch over nopoint at the moment. Hopefully a vig will take care of nopoint tonight.

VOTE: Katsuki

L-2 I believe.

It must have been because I was roleblocked or

Vi was janitored.

Emphasis added. Janitoring has nothing to do with this. Vi died. You hid behind him. Thus regardless of whether he was janitored you should be worm food. The question is -- were you role-blocked? I honestly don't want anyone pipping up to say so since they are likely a Town PR given how scummy you were yesterday.

To add to this, I believe hiding resolves before roleblocking anyway, so it's irrelevant.

xvart: Did anything interesting happen to you last night? A simple yes or no will suffice for now.

KageLord would be a great target for an investigation tonight.

Magna may have been out of line with the avatar bet thing, but pushing for his modkill would hurt the game far more than a bet. It's been made clear that it's not allowed, so just drop it for now and discuss it when the game is over.

[xvart]

xvart, you stand by your read even though he was town?

I stand by my read yesterday, and my justification for wanting him lynched yesterday. Post flip, obviously I was wrong, but it is very scummy to me when people say Player X is scum based on Player Y flipping scum, who is scum based on Player Z flipping scum, and then votes Player X, which was exactly what Reck was doing. You always want to lynch the person in a probable pairing who will give more information about the other first, not last.

Kdub - nothing happened to me that I am aware of.

[Starbuck]

Do you play often with Reck?

[Kdub]

xvart, what is your opinion of Sens/SpyreX today given Reck's flip?

[Kast]

@Fate-
-Not sure why you expect me to chastise you for an "early claim". I wasn't even sure if you were claiming, and if you were, I don't see any problems with cops claiming on a guilty result if needed to secure a lynch.
--To be clear, you don't actually have an innocent read on KK? Because I'm reading KK as probable red-scum, but if there's an innocent, I doubt red-scum has two INV. IMMUNE on their team.
-I am suspicious of the Tomar Re claim. Tomar Re is DEAD in the Blackest Night storyline. He gets reanimated as a Black Lantern and fights the good guys. Starbuck, please confirm.

@Starbuck-
-Sorry, mistaken pronouns.

@Toogloo-

I am fairly certain that any one who is roleblocked and takes an action would be informed that they were roleblocked.

Why would you think that? This usually ISN'T the case unless the action is provides the user feedback (e.g. investigations).

@MoI/Spyrex-
Cases against both nopoint and Katsuki have merit. Ultimately, Occam's Razor points at Reck's death and Kats non-recruitment as a single effect of Kats being scum. I'm inclined to vote Kats and let the game move on. You two have both soft claimed info that implicates NPIAU. If you're going to share it, assuming it is relevant, please do so.

[Kast]

Btw- with 2 red-scum dead and potentially Vi-SK dead, it may be good to finish off the remaining

Red

-scum and eliminate another NK preferentially over

Yellow

-scum. If Fate's analysis of Kats as

Red

-scum watcher holds true, then that's a minor plus for lynching Kats vs. generic scum.

[Fate]

k kast nvm

neway i dun think kk i redscum at least the way he completelty ignored guderian i dun think hes that badscum

mebbe i shuld have picked sum1 else to have inncoents on like obvtwon lol

[MagnaofIllusion]

-I am suspicious of the Tomar Re claim. Tomar Re is DEAD in the Blackest Night storyline. He gets reanimated as a Black Lantern and fights the good guys. Starbuck, please confirm.

I’ll confirm this. Tomra-Re died during the Anti-Monitor’s assault on the Positive Matter Universe in ‘Crisis on Infinite Earths', which far pre-dates Blackest Night.

@MoI/Spyrex-
Cases against both nopoint and Katsuki have merit. Ultimately, Occam's Razor points at Reck's death and Kats non-recruitment as a single effect of Kats being scum. I'm inclined to vote Kats and let the game move on. You two have both soft claimed info that implicates NPIAU. If you're going to share it, assuming it is relevant, please do so.

If you see soft-claiming in my posts that is an incorrect read. My case on NoPoint is solely from observable actions.

Now that Reaper has not clarified whether overkill would be visible or not I think speculation as to Kats being auto-scum is muddled. The death flavour seems to indicate Reck was killed by someone other than Kats. It’s entirely possible that Reck was blocked by a Yellow action and killed by a Red action. There’s enough muddle in the circumstance that I think NoPoint is an overall better choice.

[Fate]

so my guy is dead?

lolnicejob dana

[Fate]

also reck was obvmason

specualtion that he was roleblocked is dum

[Starbuck]

-I am suspicious of the Tomar Re claim. Tomar Re is DEAD in the Blackest Night storyline. He gets reanimated as a Black Lantern and fights the good guys. Starbuck, please confirm.

From Wikipedia -

"As part of the Blackest Night event, all of the fallen Green Lanterns in the Oan crypt are reanimated by black power rings in Green Lantern Corps (vol. 2) #39 (October 2009). Tomar-Re is among the many Black Lanterns shown standing against the Green Lanterns on Oa."

[SpyreX]

I'm not tipping my hand and if that means NP dies tomorrow thats fine.

Just remember in the case I am not around to yell it into your souls that he's barring raw distilled madness, going to flip scum.

Unvote, Vote: Kat

[Starbuck]

Now that Reaper has not clarified whether overkill would be visible or not

I think speculation as to Kats being auto-scum is muddled.

The death flavour seems to indicate Reck was killed by someone other than Kats. It’s entirely possible that Reck was blocked by a Yellow action and killed by a Red action. There’s enough muddle in the circumstance that I think NoPoint is an overall better choice.

Noting this, especially the bolded, as a scumbuddy trying to save his scumfriend.

[Andrius]

WELL.
Fate is already dead.
Great.

@ MoI: My current running theory is that the SK either steals rings (not me/ someone who hasn't claimed yet) OR steals rings from DEAD PLAYERS. This would explain the Janitor'd kill on Vi, since the Red Janitor was first dead. The SK needs all the help he can get in this setup, so if he naturally collects the first PR to die then that would be a big boon to him.
Red AND Yellow Janitors is an interesting thought though.
MoI making avatar bad is OFF but more likely town for a gut-related reason I can't yet put to words.

I was going to ask Starbuck something but it was already answered.

Unvote, Vote: Katsuki

Lynch for today. No other. We'll handle nopoint, SensFan, The Stove, Stethoscope, et.al. later.

Nothing "concrete" right now, xvart.

predit: SpyreX, we can handle nopoint if you die.

[Katsuki]

wtf i wake up to a hammer why i dont even

spyspy is probably a sk with a shot just sayin

[Kdub]

Ugh, I was hoping to hear more from xvart before we ended the day.

Anyway, before we go to night, I have an important announcement to make.

xvart is scum.

That is all.

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote Count

Katsuki [10] - Starbuck, The Stove, tanstalas, Dekes, Fate, KageLord, xvart, Kdub, SpyreX, Andrius

SensFan [4]

- Kast, AlmasterGM, Toogeloo, nopointinactingup

nopointinactingup [3]

- Katsuki, Plum, MagnaofIllusion

Not voting [4]

- Jack, Kublai Khan, SensFan, Stephoscope

With

21

alive, it is

11

to lynch. Deadline is February 1, 2011.

[Andrius]

Unvote

As to not rush anything. --;

[Starbuck]

In case I die tonight, The Stove should not be on anyone's scum list.

[Andrius]

God you masons in this game need to stop fucking my scum-reads.
Good reason ?

[Katsuki]

this wagon is scumdriven
there were 3 kills last night
if reck really died on his way to me, that leaves 2 nks

i still dont know how he died if i was not recruited

there is guarenteed senscum and nopointscum
all this shenanigans going on

[Andrius]

You worrry about the rope around your neck.
We'll worry about Sens and Nopoint.