Open 274: Game Over!

[Hoopla]

Good thinking Fenchurch, lets get on with it. I'm not the back-up, either.

[Stefunny]

posting from my phone, so I apologize in advance for terrible punctuation and such... Would claiming not be a death sentence for someone after a power role is possibly killed off? I suppose if everyone is agreed that it is best for town than I might as well go along with it. I am a back up role.

[andrew94]

i dont want to be the 'cannon over the horse' (chinese chess move)
but i thought it was pretty obvious that you were the backup.

not the backup

[Alduskkel]

1. It confused me.
2. Town reads.
3, Its being over careful. More careful than how town would post.

1. We've been over this a billion times and no one ever convinces anyone else.
2. Yeah, well where the hell did you get those town reads? You can't just say that I look less town than other people without explaining why I look less town.
3. I quest for information. That is very typical town behavior. If I seem overly careful then I think it's more logical to think that that's just my playstyle. Feel free to meta me, I have a wiki entry.

And I am not the backup.

[Hoopla]

Yeah, Stefunny was pretty obv-town. This puts scums in a difficult situation to take the risk on killing Stefunny - Stef surviving, and no-kill N1 will be amazing.

[andrew94]

how would it be amazing...

its mylo if we fail today

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

1. It confused me.
2. Town reads.
3, Its being over careful. More careful than how town would post.

1. We've been over this a billion times and no one ever convinces anyone else.
2. Yeah, well where the hell did you get those town reads? You can't just say that I look less town than other people without explaining why I look less town.
3. I quest for information. That is very typical town behavior. If I seem overly careful then I think it's more logical to think that that's just my playstyle. Feel free to meta me, I have a wiki entry.

And I am not the backup.

1. Then stop asking questions where you know I'll give that as an answer.
2. Reading. I'm giving my thought processes. I'm not even voting you. When I'll do that I'll explain how Fenchurch and Andrew are clearly looking for the best way to help town in each of their posts.
3. I'll do that now.

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Iso'd you in Open 209, I didn't see a single clarification.

[Alduskkel]

Don't bullshit me DMG, in Open 209 I clearly asking for clarification in the follow posts (not quoted so as not to clutter the thread):
Iso 1 (2 times)
Iso 10
Iso 16 (2 times)
Iso 18
Iso 19
Iso 24
Iso 30
Iso 33
Iso 35
Iso 36
Iso 60 (4 times)
Iso 67
Iso 69
Iso 76
Iso 91

All of those posts are ones where I sought to clarify, which I defined here as "asking for an explanation."
Are you blind?

I eagerly await your post about how you've used process of elimination to find me scummy.

[Alduskkel]

First sentence should be "I clearly asked..." or "I was clearly asking..."

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Don't bullshit me DMG, in Open 209 I clearly asking for clarification in the follow posts (not quoted so as not to clutter the thread):
Iso 1 (2 times)
Iso 10
Iso 16 (2 times)
Iso 18
Iso 19
Iso 24
Iso 30
Iso 33
Iso 35
Iso 36
Iso 60 (4 times)
Iso 67
Iso 69
Iso 76
Iso 91

All of those posts are ones where I sought to clarify, which I defined here as "asking for an explanation."
Are you blind?

You defined it wrong. I defined clarify as being like

You just sort of joked around without kicking up dust (for the record, Hoopla joked around and kicked up dust)

(the bit in brackets)

[Stefunny]

DMG do you think scum is more likely to try to clarify, or more likely to try and confuse? Because

1. Scum are more careful.
2. Careful clarification is a symptom of being careful.
3. Scum are more likely to engage in careful clarification.

and

No I'm voting you because you purposely confused me.

are sort of contradictory. I understand these were directed at two different people, but you are using reasoning that contradicts itself for each of your scum reads. Please explain (or clarify )

Also, out of curiosity, how come your vote is still on CA?

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

DMG do you think scum is more likely to try to clarify, or more likely to try and confuse? Because

1. Scum are more careful.
2. Careful clarification is a symptom of being careful.
3. Scum are more likely to engage in careful clarification.

and

No I'm voting you because you purposely confused me.

are sort of contradictory. I understand these were directed at two different people, but you are using reasoning that contradicts itself for each of your scum reads. Please explain (or clarify )

Scum clarify not to prevent confusion but to prevent them from being called up for a scum tell.

Also, out of curiosity, how come your vote is still on CA?

If I understand what you're implying: Ald hasn't become more scummy in my eyes recently I've just had to explain my suspicions of him a bunch of times. CA still pips (due to quite a few town tells from Ald and none from CA) Ald in the scummy stakes.

[Stefunny]

Is process of elimination your reasoning for voting CA?

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Is process of elimination your reasoning for voting CA?

Essentially.

[Stefunny]

Do you think your reasoning for voting CA is stronger or weaker than your reasoning for being suspicious of Hoopla?

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Do you think your reasoning for voting CA is stronger or weaker than your reasoning for being suspicious of Hoopla?

Weaker (even if you exclude the pre-game chatter Hoopla has done absolutely nothing to lead me to think she's town) but you have to pick your battles.

[Alduskkel]

I defined clarify as being like

You just sort of joked around without kicking up dust

Okay. Your definition of clarification is

wrong.

1: to make (as a liquid) clear or pure usually by freeing from suspended matter
2: to free of confusion <needs time to clarify his thoughts>
3: to make understandable <clarify a subject>

But let's just say for the moment that all this time you have, in fact, been accusing me of joking around without kicking up dust. Please identify any and all instances of me doing this. And, by the way, joking around in the RVS is not a scum tell, because that is the lighthearted portion of the game where little to no real scumhunting is occurring and everyone is mostly just screwing around.

[Alduskkel]

DMG, is English your first language?

[Empking]

I defined clarify as being like

You just sort of joked around without kicking up dust

I never wrote that second quote. You wrote that second quote.

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

That was me.

[Fenchurch]

Huh.


Also:

You defined it wrong. I defined clarify as being like

You just sort of joked around without kicking up dust (for the record, Hoopla joked around and kicked up dust)

(the bit in brackets)

I didn't understand what you meant by this originally either. I realise now you were giving it as an

example

of where Ald clarifies, but it originally looked like you meant that the bit in brackets was equivalent to a definition of what clarification means.

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Huh.


Also:

You defined it wrong. I defined clarify as being like

You just sort of joked around without kicking up dust (for the record, Hoopla joked around and kicked up dust)

(the bit in brackets)

I didn't understand what you meant by this originally either. I realise now you were giving it as an

example

of where Ald clarifies, but it originally looked like you meant that the bit in brackets was equivalent to a definition of what clarification means.

I thought it was pretty clear what I was sayying but meh. I hope its clear that I'm not trying to suggest that misattribution was some sort of ingenius scum gambit.

[andrew94]

ca is not coming back?
lynch???

[Stefunny]

We are almost at deadline, and at this point I believe CA would be the one who gets lynched because him and DMG both have 2 votes but I believe CAs votes came first, right?