Consulmaker II: the Pyrrhic War - Game over.

[SpyreX]

If it were to be crusading against a lurker today (which I'd still much rather see Nat eat the rope) after watching the way this has went down I'd put way higher odds on scot than lowell.

[scotmany12]

Looks like my computer is functional. I hope it stays that way. Give me a bit of time to read the last page and get something up.

[Lowell]

I don't think TownLowell would care, is I guess what I'm saying.

Hey now!! You want your participation or not? Don't make me go back to lurking. I'll do it, too!

I'll catch up tomorrow. For now I'm jetlagged as hell.

[The Fonz]

I don't think TownLowell would care, is I guess what I'm saying.

Hey now!! You want your participation or not? Don't make me go back to lurking. I'll do it, too!

It's your funeral. And no, I will not be buying the particular wifom of 'Fonz said he'd kill Lowell if he didn't contribute, but Lowell didn't contribute, so he must not care about his own life and therefore be town.'

[Feysal]

Why not? I don't have a read on Lowell, one way or the other. Do you? Does anyone?

Because it seems odd to say something like "I think Lowell is town, but go ahead and execute him." I get the idea I think you're trying to communicate here, but the way its phrased is what throws me. Like its prepositioning.

If he does end up executed and flips town, I don't expect anyone to gain credit from having a null read on him, even if that null is overwhelmingly in favor of him being town thanks to our earlier successes. Null tells are always in favor of town.

But lets leave that aside. My PoE is leading me to think the scums are Nathanael + (Lowell, Shanba, maaaaaaaybe SpyreX). Who do you think the scums are?

I've never quite understood what the case on Nathanael is about to be honest. He is one of my town reads, but I should probably double check that read by doing an ISO. There are others though who need that rather more urgently.

After I got a better read of Chesskid, I'm less inclined to believe Parama scum. But that does not mean I'd have forgotten about him either, and I remain unimpressed by what he has contributed. I still have him as scummy, but he is no longer my strongest scum read.

SensFan is another one I am unsure about. I still have a bad feeling about him from day one, though I am somewhat influenced by other people giving him a town read. Yesterday he was really beating the drum for a Jack execution, but given the situation that is a null tell.

For Shanba, after only three posts it is early to tell, but he is certainly not appearing as obviously town as The Fonz. His case on me is decent, but I feel there is a touch of rhetoric and a tendency to present things more negatively than they are. That could be okay, if you're writing a case on someone you are trying to make it convincing after all. I may get back to this in more detail later if he still wants me dead. If there was one thing that caught my attention, it was his lists in #1183. Having me and two of my stronger town reads as his suspects was bad enough, but the way he classified his reads was downright weird. I was the only one he would execute himself. There were four others he would let The Fonz execute. What the hell is this? If you were happy to see someone dead, it should not matter who carries out the execution. It seems as if he was trying to distance himself from eventual mislynches by having his fellow Consul carry out the deed.

Something that does make me feel better about Shanba is that he seems to be the first to suspect SpyreX. I've had him as null or slightly town, but I've been haunted from the start by him pushing the case on Katsuki. She is an easy target to get mislynched, and I've had the bad feeling about SpyreX possibly being scum because of it. It was also slightly odd how he called me fairly awesome when I replaced in, but did not comment at all on what I thought about the Katsuki case he had been pushing. I just did an ISO read on SpyreX, and I'm not seeing much to base a case on. His posting is townish, but I keep wondering where his reads come from, and the fact that the only two suspects he has ever really pushed are Jack and you has me in doubt. Perhaps I've bought into the hype too much, but I'd expect more from town-SpyreX.

I have Lowell as null like I've said, but he is pretty much a wild card. We could get lucky and he could flip scum.

Finally, there is Primate. I know, everyone believes him town, and I've been content to think that too, but I'm not sure that read is really my own, and I'm not just following the crowd. On my first readthrough my reaction to him was in fact scummy, but that is not saying much. I also had a scummy reaction to chamber and a town feeling from dramonic, both wrong. Still, I have an ISO read of Primate on my schedule too, though on a low priority.

There it is, I have a town read on one half of the town, and a range of scummy reads on the other. If I had to name my top two, I think they'd be Parama and SpyreX.

[scotmany12]

Scot was a terrible consul, and has been pretty lazy. Like, I still don't really know who e thinks is scum beyond the obvious. (A note on that - counterclaims are 95% of the time town. How anyone can have decided that ribwich is scummier is beyond me, and by and large people didn't. But regardless, I think that anyone suggesting jack is townier (i.e. sensfan) was just wrong. Course, that kind of shit is why sens is town). I don't like how he suddenly turns around and says that dram/reck are probably both scum; I'll have to reread their posts to see if it really was super contrived bussing or not. Otherwise, looks like scum with foreknowledge. God knows scum have bussed a bit in this game. Eh. He's scummyish.

I don't really know how you can call me a terrible consul. There wasn't really a lot I needed to do. Dram tried to execute Jack. I wasn't going to veto him as I was confident he was town. And initially, with reck, I was going to let the execution go to deadline, and if I felt he was townish, I would have vetoed. But there absolutely was super contrived bussing between them, and this is the post that tipped me off about it:

No, see, there's this sort of meta-meta with me and dram. If one of us is scum, we NEVER try to mislynch the other one. Which makes me think he's either breaking that meta right now in this game for some odd reason, or he honestly 100% believes I'm scum. Which would make him town.

I'm pretty confident they were trying to make one of them look really townish, and Reck was trying to use this meta to make Dram look like town.

As for who I think is scum. I think lowell is. I think it is an act about how he isn't paying attention.

vote ribwich

. The less I pay attention, the easier it is for town to win. That's not the best endorsement of my ability.

Still not sure what I'm missing about rib that people think he's scum.

See, that makes no sense since he acknowledged both claims by jack and ribwich at the beginning of the game. And no one has ever said that they thought rib is scum. He's making this whole act up. Plus he uses his own meta, and I hate self-metas.

I'm guessing that there are five scum in this game. I posted earlier that I was stumped. If I had to pick one, I would pick Magua at the moment. I dont like how he refused to explain why he originally thought me, spyrex, and feysal were scum. And he really hasn't committed on anything, other than thinking jack is town.

[Magua]

In this thread, nothing of value happens until Sunday when the tribunes are elected.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Tribunal Vote Count

Primate - 5(scotmany12, Parama, SpyreX, Shanba)
ribwich - 4(Nathanael, ribwich, Magua, Lowell)
scotmany12 - 2(Feysal, The Fonz)
SpyreX - 1(SensFan)
Magua - 1(Primate)

Not voting - 0

Deadline is Sunday 21:11 GMT.

[SensFan]

Unvote, Vote: scot

[ribwich]

unvote
vote: scot

[Shanba]

What the hell is this? If you were happy to see someone dead, it should not matter who carries out the execution. It seems as if he was trying to distance himself from eventual mislynches by having his fellow Consul carry out the deed.

The Fonz has his own opinions/whatever. I can, obviously, try and force him to lynch the guy I want dead, but if he doesn't agree he'll just veto/whatever. Essentially, we can deadlock each other. So by letting him know in advance who I will let him execute, we can avoid said deadlocks. Also it incidentally acts as a list of suspicion.

I don't really know how you can call me a terrible consul. There wasn't really a lot I needed to do. Dram tried to execute Jack. I wasn't going to veto him as I was confident he was town. And initially, with reck, I was going to let the execution go to deadline, and if I felt he was townish, I would have vetoed. But there absolutely was super contrived bussing between them, and this is the post that tipped me off about it:

Mostly cause you didn't make anything happen. I think consuls should be pro-active at garnering responses/reactions and so on. But whatever, it's not a big thing.

On that note, I'm still waiting for someone to give a comprehensive Nath case. Any of you people who are suspicious of him can do it, I'm not picky.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote scot

in the interest of getting this game moving.

Still haven't caught up, obv (will post when I do).

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Scotmany12 and Primate are your tribunes.

[The Fonz]

Lowell. You have 24 hours.

[SensFan]

The correct way to give him a 24-hour deadline is to submit a Glroking of him.

[SpyreX]

I'd still rather see Nat eat it.

IF that wouldn't fly I could give other options better than Lowell of the nothing brigade.

[The Fonz]

Towns which let people who aren't contributing anything and may not even be paying attention live to endgame lose.

[SpyreX]

And normally I'm down with putting them against the walls.

I just have that feeling deep, deep inside this is a wasted shot.

[The Fonz]

Execute: Lowell

[Magua]

@Nathanael:

Do you still find SensFan as the most scummy person in the game?

[Magua]

Oh, for those who care or keep track, I approve of executing Lowell.

[Lowell]

Sorry these last two days have been a mess. Left work too long, it seems.

Give me a couple more days to catch up. In the meantime, search your better angels and realize killing me is opportunism.

[SensFan]

For your sake, Lowell, don't take a couple days. You have about 11 hours.

[Magua]

Tuesday, January 11th:

All right all right I'll read. I'm out of town until thursday, but I'll catch up then.

Thursday, January 13th:

Hey now!! You want your participation or not? Don't make me go back to lurking. I'll do it, too!

I'll catch up tomorrow. For now I'm jetlagged as hell.

Sunday, January 16th:

Still haven't caught up, obv (will post when I do).

Tuesday, January 18th:

Sorry these last two days have been a mess. Left work too long, it seems.

Give me a couple more days to catch up. In the meantime, search your better angels and realize killing me is opportunism.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Lowell will be executed Thursday 10:10 GMT.