Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Andrius]

COOL BEANS.
NOPOINT JUST CLAIMED SCUM.

Vote: nopointinactingup

I KNOW I WASNT ROLEBLOCKED BECAUSE I FUCKING SHOT STEPHOSCOPE.

Now.
I ask all of you to prepare to shift votes to nopoint. He is 100% scum. I knew he was scum as of yesterday, and my night action was done to prove his guilt.

So you see this, whoever you are

And the Blue PR who targeted me last night: <3. I think I know who you are and I'll act accordingly:
I am of the

Blue Lantern Corps

, and my role info clued me in to your existance, in the form of the shot I received last night.

I am claiming because I'll also be giving my Blue Brothers cred when they claim. (And there is something that we do that scum probably don't know about, SO THERE.)

And if you want reasons why he is scum that DON'T RELATE TO MY ROLE AND INFO BEHIND IT consider his Hider claim, and his ISO.
Boom.

NOPOINT IS SCUM, SPYREX. AND HE IS MOST LIKELY NOT A HIDER.

[Andrius]

While I agree that Spyrex's thoughts make sense as to why NPIAU is still alive, I can't imagine why Vi would bus herself with someone who bleeds town like Andy. Personally I would bus myself with someone who I thought was scum, or at least who I thought wouldn't be targeted at night. Unless Vi thought Andy was going to draw doc protection? Though that would leave Andy susceptible to be NK'd if anyone targeted Vi. Or am I missing something here?

Vi bussed with me (from my POV) because he/she knew I was town and attempted to protect me via taking any kills for me?
That's what I thought.

[SpyreX]

Damnit andy.

Did your action WORK?

[nopointinactingup]

I'm not scum. Claim yourself Andy.
I'll be back asa I'm done with a few DotA matches

[Andrius]

What do you mean damnit?

Yes it worked. I don't get confirmation myself, so I had to fish it out of nopoint in the form of a pseudo-Inventor claim.
I targeted nopoint and he is scum. I also shot Stepho because of the one-shot I got EARLY last night.

That good?

[Andrius]

Nopoint claims non-scum and asks me to claim. HRMMM
I'm willing to claim my name right now. It'll take something more to claim my actual role.

[SpyreX]

NO NO STOP THIS

Andy, do not claim.

But, answer my question. You're saying he's scum because you targetted him with an action and he says it didn't happen, right?

Are you, mod sure, that your action was successful and he did receive it.

[Kublai Khan]

@Andrius: I believe your towniness. VOTE: nopointinactingup

Is SpyreX honestly arguing that he thinks that Vi self-bussed herself with nopointinactingup?

So who did npiau hide behind on Night 2? Or should we bother asking?

I don't think it matters who hid behind, because he already stated he can hide behind anyone, including scum. He only dies if the guy he hides behind dies.

But that makes no sense. Vi died the night that nopointinactingup claimed to have hidden behind her.

[Andrius]

NO NO STOP THIS

Andy, do not claim.

But, answer my question. You're saying he's scum because you targetted him with an action and he says it didn't happen, right?

Are you, mod sure, that your action was successful and he did receive it.

Ok I won't.

Yes. I targeted him and he claimed it didn't happen. And had it happened it would have been a good thing so he would have fucking claimed it.

Not mod-sure, sadly. But the only way this wouldn't work is if I was Roleblocked, but my shot went through so I take it I wasn't.

Holy hell, Spy. Holy hell.

@ KK: Spy is infering that Vi buss'd himself with ME.

[Andrius]

EBWOP: Which would mean that scum tried to kill ME N1 and Katsuki watched Vi (and watched me) and nopoint hid behind Vi (and hid behind me).
I think I deduced that correctly...

[SpyreX]

Andy,

He's a hider.

If you targetted him it wouldn't be successful.

GOD I'm spending a lot of energy defending this which wouldn't be hard if he'd pay attention.

[SpyreX]

And I swear to god if it weren't for the fact Fate investigated you as not having a gun I'd be pushing you to the wall.

[Andrius]

Wait.
You're saying hiders won't get whatever I sent because he wasn't therE? I thought they only hid from goddamn kills.

You talking to KK with that or me?

[SpyreX]

The first you.

The second KK.

If NP is scum he's flat untargettable.

Which, with this, would be moon magic. And if he were to lie in that case, it sure wouldn't be behind a kill that just happened to make sense.

[Andrius]

I checked the wiki and other stuff and the consensus is that hiders only hide from kills.
So it would have worked if he were town.

I was prepared to lynch him yesterday, but wanted to attempt to confirm his scum-ness (or him as town if need be).

[tanstalas]

Is there some sort of ruleset that detail what actions take place in what order? I think kills always happen last right? What about the hiding, does that usually happen near the start or end of the sequence? In general I mean. If generally hiding takes place at the start there is a good chance that Andy's charitable donation of cookies didn't reach NPIAU, if hiding usually takes place later in the sequence though Andy might be on the mark.

For clarification, Andy can you ask the mods to clarify what would happen if you tried to give the cookies to someone you couldn't find? IE: Would they advise you that you couldn't give the items away, etc? They will probably say they can't answer, but worth a shot

[Andrius]

Check NAR, tanstalas.
Kills happen only after Roleblocks and Protections. Hiding would go before, but I'm pretty sure Hiders only hide from kills. (Anyone have meta otherwise?)

I can try, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't go through.

[SpyreX]

I use Natural Action Resolution and I'm pretty sure, given the mix, that is whats here too.

ANDY, please, trust me on this. Trust me.

(FTR, I've had hiders that hide from all actions).

[Andrius]

See but there are a couple other inconsistencies with his claim.

When Blue-Brother targeted me the action went through immediately. I am under the impression that the same thing would have happened for me. So it would have gone through.
Also, his claimed role and my action don't work out. At all. Its not technically possible, what would need to happen if he is town. :S

[Andrius]

So what do you want me to do, Spy?

[SpyreX]

Ok, before this gets out of hand:

Whatever mysterious powers I have I targetted him with N1. I

immediately

got a result that I thought was going to be damning based on said procedural constraints.

However, the hider claim gave me pause. But I still wanted him lynched because of his claim.

Then, Vi's flip made the other part slide into place.

So, to be scum, he's got to be a mastermind that is amazingly lucky as well.

YET, lets look at how many damn times he's been a day-play.

Don't fall into the trap.

We can revisit it and, chances are, he DOES have to go before lylo.

That isn't today. Xvart is scum and I know why.

[SpyreX]

I've got to go for a bit.

Expect in the near future (hopefully tonight, if not then tomorrow night) some serious words.

Because its time to NOT get stuck on this and start ferreting out the rest.

[Andrius]

Hmmm. I'm going to think on this some more, and get back to you.
The person I targeted N1 is sick with an illness no herb can cure.

You want me to vote xvart now, or later?

[Kublai Khan]

Sorry, I am slow.

nopointinactingup:
claims hider
Hid behind Vi on Night 1

Problem: Vi died.

SpyreX's theory: Vi bussed herself with Andrius on Night 1, so nopointinactingup (targetting Vi) would have hid behind Andrius and survived. This assumes that bus drivers are able to self-bus and that hide resolves before bus. (Big assumptions in my book).

Also, Andrius claims to have targeted nopointinactingup with something. nopointinactingup denies. This may depend on whether or not Hiders hide from everything or just kills.

have I got everything right now?

[Andrius]

I subscribe to SpyreX's theory. And if what I think he is saying is true then I buy his case. For now.

Yeah, you've got my part down correctly.