Open 269: Multirole Mafia: Over. Town Win

[drmyshottyizsik]

honestly we need to lynch andrew while we still have an extra lynch and then vig ThAd

[chkflip]

Ughhh emergency LA until Wednesday, something just came up with my Mother. Please don't replace me, I'll shoot everything up upon my return.

V/LA noted

[andrew94]

chkflip is likely town based on Chevre's flip. Shotty is probably town, as ThAd said. I am town. This leaves: andrew, ThAd, SA as most likely scum.

We most likely have 2 lynches and a vig shot left to find one scum, so we're in good shape.

no.
that leaves implosion, thaD, Sa and me.

but...
notice thadmiral's reaction to when the day started. both times, he doesnt comment on the lynch and the night kills (pro vig) and just X and Y is suspect

[ThAdmiral]

I don't like to comment on night kills. Why is that scum?

@ chronopie: with the mafia goons that have died - if they had any abilities would you have told us?

Yes. All abilities are announced upon death, be they Town or scum. Therefore the goons

are

just goons

[drmyshottyizsik]

vote andrew

[ThAdmiral]

so with 6 of us remaining there is:
1 town vig
1 neighbor
1 blocker
1 protector
1 inspector

note that roles can double up.

I don't think there is a way to break the game with a massclaim just yet, but I will think on this further.

[andrew94]

the roles ARE doubled up..
apart from 1 of them

[Chronopie]

The first Vote Count of Day Three

Andrew

(1): Shotty

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to lynch

[ThAdmiral]

the roles ARE doubled up..
apart from 1 of them

When I said roles can double up I mean someone can be both neighbor and tracker, like smashbro was.

[implosion]

Mod, assuming n=2, are roles paired randomly or in order (in order meaning investigation with protection, killing with roleblocking, tracking with being neighbor, and just neighbor)?

Pretty sure I answered this D1, but the role list was randomised prior to assignment.

[andrew94]

ok. i think i have enough info to break the game.

the person with the 'inspect' ability, please claim, with your investigation results, and any other ability you have

[drmyshottyizsik]

lynch andrew for role fishing

[implosion]

Problem is, mafia may have investigation immunity.

[andrew94]

they dont. i asked the mod. he said the last is either a goon/1 or 2 role (3 is impossible)

Inv.Immune is still a PR <.<

[Sleepless Assassin]

Vote ThAdmiral

It appears I was misguided before. Chaotic obviously decided he was going to joke vote his scumbuddy and looked for a reason in the avatar.

ThAd spent Day 1 avoiding the Chesskid lynch like the plague, but never really going out of his way to redirect the lynch.

Day 2, he comes right out and attacks the Chesskid voters. It's like he wanted Chess lynched, but kept his hands clean. Then Day 2, he wants to test the waters to see whose hands have the most rope burn. He lands on me, but I come back with a case on Akira and chkflip. ThAd chooses Akira (chkflip is ThAd's scumbuddy) and runs with that. So he piggybacks off of somebody who he thought was scum. I don't buy that.

Also, looking at our flipped scum, ThAd only mentions Chaotic in jokes (twice) and only mentions Chevre after the scum flip.

The guy's scum. Let's do this.

[ThAdmiral]

ThAd spent Day 1 avoiding the Chesskid lynch like the plague, but never really going out of his way to redirect the lynch.

Day 2, he comes right out and attacks the Chesskid voters. It's like he wanted Chess lynched, but kept his hands clean.

An interesting way to twist things. You could also say I was being consistent with my day 1 dislike of the wagon. The only reason I didn't "go out of my way to redirect it" is I thought there would at least be a claim and some discussion before someone hammered.

Then Day 2, he wants to test the waters to see whose hands have the most rope burn. He lands on me, but I come back with a case on Akira and chkflip. ThAd chooses Akira (chkflip is ThAd's scumbuddy) and runs with that. So he piggybacks off of somebody who he thought was scum. I don't buy that.

You came back with a good case and what looked to be some genuine scum-hunting which changed my perspective of you. I note that you didn't have any problems with me "piggybacking" your case yesterday. Why only bring it up now?

Also, looking at our flipped scum, ThAd only mentions Chaotic in jokes (twice) and

only mentions Chevre after the scum flip.

Lol, flat out lie. I mentioned him multiple times near the end of day 2. I even called him out on avoiding choosing between akira and chkflip.

I especially like this bit of his case:

chkflip is ThAd's scumbuddy

So wait, there's 4 scum in this game now?
Get it together, man.

[andrew94]

inspecor dont come out yet

[ThAdmiral]

@ Andrew: I've had a think about it as well and I'm not sure we can break the game at this point, although certain variations of the distribution of roles I believe would allow us to.
It's quite the mind-tingling logic puzzle. I'm still working on it though so there may be a way yet.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Thad, it was clear that the wagon had steam and momentum behind it. You can't blame an early hammer for the fact that you weren't saying much about the other votes piling on.

I didn't mention the piggybacking yesterday because I was dead set convinced that you were town. And I was in the mindset that the Chaotic-Akira connection was pretty strong, so saying something that might derail that lynch wouldn't have been good.

Oh, I missed that on Chevre. My bad.

Not sure why I thought we had 2 more scum lol. WTF.

By the way,

I am either not the inspector, or haven't recieved a guilty yet.

. Everyone should say that in their next post or claim a guilty. If we have a guilty, we lynch them for the win.

[ThAdmiral]

That should be obvious but: I am not the inspector or I have not received a guilty yet.

[andrew94]

@mod: it says on the OP that scum by default gets 1 ability out of 'inv immune, bulletproof, roleblock'

but if scum have no abilties out of 'kill track neighbour neighbour protect roleblock inspect' then they get all 3???
or just 2???

Whether they gain any depends on the distribution of the main set of roles. With an element of chance. Not default either. Only default if Scum don't gain anything from the base set.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Thad, any gamebreakers basically rely on chance and assumptions.

For example, if our inspecter has two innocents still living, and our protecter is town, the vig, inspecter, and protecter could claim. Then if the innocents are unclaimed, we lynch the remaining player. If they are claimed, we choose between the unclaimed players. The vig shoots the claimed inspecter, thus confirming two players who hopefully don't include him. The protecter protects the vig. We end up with probably a confirmed vig and hopefully another confirmed player so we can lynch scum for the win. However this assumes our inspecter has living innocent results and we have a town protecter.

I think the setup is well designed to avoid breakage before a massclaim. The only way to actually break it seems to be to massclaim and hope everything works in our favor, which I'd rather not do. Let's at least make sure no one is holding on to a guilty before we decide our next move.

Unvote

until this happens.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Andrew:

By the way,

I am either not the inspector, or haven't recieved a guilty yet.

. Everyone should say that in their next post or claim a guilty. If we have a guilty, we lynch them for the win.

[Sleepless Assassin]

That should be obvious but: I am not the inspector or I have not received a guilty yet.

It should be obvious, but some players may not realize it.

[andrew94]

i wait for the mod to confirm the above first.
if scum has investigation immunity, then...