Bomb Mafia -- Game Over

[StrangerCoug]

I hereby understand and /confirm my role.

[StrangerCoug]

As for the bomb cycling, may I suggest that we go in player list order, at least on Day 1?

[StrangerCoug]

Well, if we're going to pass the bomb immediately when we get it at first and we have no information to go on, what's wrong with an order we can remember? Once we get information, then yeah, the most scummy player is the obvious answer, but if the plan is to blow our first two passes, then until someone does something scummy I don't see why we can't go in player list order.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm having a hard time thinking of a problem.

[StrangerCoug]

Coug: who said we're wasting the first two* passes? Whoever has the bomb should either pass it to Jack if they support his game, or hold onto it until they see something scummy.

That's how I interpreted Hoopla's elaboration of hitorogoshi's plan. If I have it wrong, I need it straightened out—I foresaw the unlikelihood of doing player order after Day 1 working well, hence the way I worded my input.

*by first two, do you mean literally the first two passes, or the first 2/3 chances to pass that we get?

The first two out of three chances.

[StrangerCoug]

As if my contribution to the plan will be of much use anymore anyway.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: V/LA until further notice. I believe I blew my power supply trying to fix my dad's computer.

I hope not, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Out of V/LA. I fortunately just disconnected my power supply from my motherboard by mistake.

[StrangerCoug]

You do realize it's still the pregame, right, Fate?

In any event, I don't like your sudden jump on Benmage. #41's funny to me, too, but still...

[StrangerCoug]

OK, I hate Jack's response to themanhimself. Responding to an attack with a post that basically asks "What the hell are you talking about?" is a cheap way to dismiss it. I say he gets passed the bomb first.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: Jack

You dismiss the accusation of softclaiming bomb-related role info as ridiculous, then you actually claim bomb-related role info. I don't buy this.

[StrangerCoug]

I hate to do this twice in close succession, but the problem I complained about regarding not feeling well has gotten worse. I have a fever.

Mod: V/LA again.

Noted

[StrangerCoug]

Still sick; just throwing in some quick thoughts.

danakillsu's WIFOM doesn't look good, but I'm a stronger supporter of the Jack wagon. Jack denied as ridiculous and then claimed bomb info. Lynch all liars.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Out of V/LA.

vote:Nobody Special

For his last post.

Someone explain to Coug et al how mafia works.

I don't see the problem with what I'm doing, nor do I see how Nobody Special is scummy. Way to fail.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm resisting the temptation to gloat right now. Jack was

SO

obvscum that he got what he deserved.

Six pages isn't much to look at to get reactions, but "sociopathic" being the Mafia name makes the most sense to me as "sociopathic goon" is not in the Wiki. This suggests a multiball to me.

danakillsu screams like Jack's buddy right now. That he ignored Fate's bandwagon vote in favor of Katsuki's is an interaction I'm trying to figure out right now, but I'm lead to believe that it's dana-scum buddying up to Fate-town. I don't see anything scummy out of Fate.

VOTE: danakillsu

[StrangerCoug]

I was about to ask about what the pileup about themanhimself was about, but one, I think it takes more than two people to pile up on someone, and two, the reckless hammer on danakillsu when I realized it happened is probably why and I would agree with this thinking.

[StrangerCoug]

Also, one of those kills could be a vig (presumably Hoopla, since it was a shooting, and since stabby seems to coincide with "sociopathic"?)

I'm going to have to agree with Fate here. Hoopla does not make sense as a vig target; I didn't find her scummy in the least. I agree that Mafia and SK is most likely.

Because you're

ISO

stomach is so EMPTY that there's nothing in there but acid.

SCUMBAG

Try again.

VOTE: Katsuki

If you want to be a smart-aleck, take it elsewhere. Don't dismiss people calling you scum as a joke.

themanhimself's sloppy hammer hasn't been forgotten.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh and for what it's worth I'm thinking scum team is 3 and we have an SK.

***If there is a vig. Claim so Now.

The hell? Why do you want the vig outed?

Stabbed is always an SK.

That's not true. I've modded a game where a vig has stabbed, and I have modded a game where a Mafioso has stabbed. It's common for a stabbing MO to go to an SK, but it is not exclusive to the role.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh and for what it's worth I'm thinking scum team is 3 and we have an SK.

***If there is a vig. Claim so Now.

The hell? Why do you want the vig outed?

No vig would've killed either hoopla nor CES. WIthout damn fucking good reasoning. And I'd want to hear it now. Otherwise there will be no accepted claim later.

So you

REALLY

think the benefits of not only outing the vig but also ostracizing him or her outweigh the drawbacks of painting a nightkill target on him, which might as well be a lynch target if the actual vig claims and doesn't explain Hoopla or Cogito Ergo Sum dying to your liking. I don't believe this one bit.

benmage because he passed it to me, fate because it was my last pass and I will let someone who (theoretically) knows what they're doing decide if I'm going to be bombed or not.

This is weird reasoning. Effectively OMGUSing Benmage and passing the bomb to Fate because you trust him with it? I don't get it.

I'm going to wait for the bomb to go off before taking a stance either way. AntB claimed a confirmable role.

StrangerCoug, Fate, hito

You corrected hitorogoshi to Katsuki, but what about the other two of us?

I read over it and I'm pretty sure that its time based

And, I read over it TOO and there can't be any way you could get that from anything publicly mentioned.

FoS: themanhimself

It's possible for a bomb to go off at night, which points towards him being right. The way the mod answered one of Fate's questions points toward a time-count and not a post-count as well.

UNVOTE: Katsuki, but I'm going to wait for Nobody Special to respond before I put the vote back.

[StrangerCoug]

What don't you believe buddy?

I don't believe that now is the time to out the vig. Yes, if either of them were killed by a vig, then the person that did it is an idiot, but do we really want to risk making someone an easy mislynch or nightkill target?

[StrangerCoug]

OK, the line of thinking makes sense.

VOTE: Nobody Special. How does themanhimself saying that the explosions are time-based get proven wrong by you quoting the mod saying "explosion times are set"?

[StrangerCoug]

OK, the line of thinking makes sense.

VOTE: Nobody Special. How does themanhimself saying that the explosions are time-based get proven wrong by you quoting the mod saying "explosion times are set"?

I only meant that we were both wrong in arguing a moot point. What is this, the Spanish Inquisition?

Wrong in arguing a moot point, maybe, but that does not excuse you from attacking themanhimself from stating how he got what he got.

Are you kidding me NS?

I'll set up specific

times

before the game starts which will be explosion

times

. Any player who has a bomb in their possession when the explosion

time

hits will be killed. The

times

will be preset within the context of a game playing until the maximum allotted

time

(it's important to me that the players don't think this is just the Mod influencing the game, I plan to literally draw up all the explosion

times

before the game even begins).

This and the fact that he never says post count

and

the fact that bombs can go off at night pretty definitively rule out post count detonation as a plausible theory.
VOTE: Nobody Special for FoS'ing me and misrepping me over something he clearly didn't read or think through and for trying to lead the town astray with obviously false theories.

STRANGERCOUG.

YOURE BETTER THAN THIS. YOU KNOW NOT TO FUCKIN VOTE NS AFTER A SHITPOST LIKE THAT.

O WAIT UR TOWN SC, THAT MEANS YOU ARENT BETTER THAN THIS?
FFFFFFFFF

FATE.

YOU'RE BETTER THAN THIS. YOU KNOW NOT TO CONFUSE ME WITH THEMANHIMSELF... whom I don't really like. Something screams IIoA to me.

[StrangerCoug]

*looks for a new cougar avatar since it's apparently too close to themanhimself's avatar*

[StrangerCoug]

Took me a minute to find the cougar in there but I see it now

xD Apparently, it's hidden pretty well.

But we're going off on a tangent. I find it weird that Fate's defending Katsuki when he claims she has no content, but for there to be a connection, the game had to have started 10:2:2 and that's really the only thing off on Fate right now. Fate is almost certainly not Jack's scumbuddy.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm straining to see why it's necessary to massclaim this early.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm straining to see why it's necessary to massclaim this early.

Because we have the (hopeful!) potential to get multiple kills in while under maximal influence from townies. With PR's that scum cannot justify passing to, the bomb threatens them more. And we get a lynch directed by our PRs. It's also the schooling-fish principle. There will probably be at least one person the scum really really want dead (AntB if he's confirmed PR and likely town, Fate or myself if we're even close to right) so we may as well have all of our claims at once because they can't kill us all at once. We want to rush this game down today.

If it helps town more than scum, we might as well. I say Nobody Special goes first.

[StrangerCoug]

You know what... yeah...

I'm a VT

, and I'm not advocating the mass claim until the next boom.

Are you Nobody Special? *headdesk*

Read the following sentences and you'll have your answer...(hint hint: I want to wait for the next bomb to blow before massclaiming)

You don't want a massclaim before the bomb goes off, yet you throw out a vanilla townie claim unprovoked.

UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Benmage

Read the next post to fully understand.....(hint hint: I want to not out our PRs)

Well, claiming VT is going to help scum narrow the power roles down.

MOD

have you ever run a theme game before, if so which one?

What relevance does this have to scumhunting?

Fixed tags.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Fix my tags please.

[StrangerCoug]

I didn't encourage claims. I tried to illustrate the idiocy of the massclaim and that it will achieve nothing. And I claimed to demonstarte that I had nothing to hide. How can you say I encouraged claims when the whole time I was the only one in opposition to the massclaim. Sure SC didn't understand why many wanted to massclaim. But he sheeped when the idea of breaking the game was suggested.

If I'm doing a good job of rereading, only themanhimself and hitorogoshi were playing with the idea of massclaiming before I caved in support of it. Two ≠ many.

Did you forget that I blew scum up?

Did you forget that there's such a thing as bussing?

MOD

have you ever run a theme game before, if so which one?

What relevance does this have to scumhunting?

The second question was the better one... I should've just asked that. Safeclaims are a commonality these days. Especially in creative theme games. I wanted to know if this mod followed that trend. I HIGHLY doubted a game was gonna be broken on flavor. I almost always consider flavor as just fluff.

Now, StrangerCoug please restate why you like your vote on

I voted you because you claimed VT without any sort of pressure, yet were supposedly against massclaiming. The bit about asking the mod if he's run a theme game before came later.

Awesome.

Has everyone but Fate claimed? This is last chance for checksums time.

I haven't yet. I'm Police Commissioner Robert Ferrell, vanilla townie.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't like Benmage's trying to use the fact that he passed the bomb to Jack as a get out of jail free card, so I understand how you came to that conclusion.

[StrangerCoug]

Infact

SC

, lets hear your top 2 scum suspects and potential SK.

You and themanhimself. Nobody stands out as SK to me.

Also,

Mod: This should be in your PM box, but if not, the winter storm has hit my area and the power company wants us to conserve energy. V/LA.

[StrangerCoug]

Infact

SC

, lets hear your top 2 scum suspects and potential SK.

You and themanhimself.

So after losing Jack so early...bussing seems like the best strategy....You???
R


eaching?

I don't try to predict scum. I do sometimes take a step back and think "OK, it'd be ridiculous if they're doing this," but something has to obviate two people as not being buddies. Maybe I'm wrong about you bussing Jack and you and themanhimself, in fact, comprise the other team. I believe most of us including you think it's 10:3:1, but it could also be 10:2:2.

In any case, you're my stronger scum read. TMH not so much, but he's still up there.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Out of V/LA.

[StrangerCoug]

On what do you want my opinion?

[StrangerCoug]

I have nothing new to say. If something comes up, then I'll comment, but nothing had since my last post with content.

[StrangerCoug]

AntB's role confirmation and your refusal to claim are both null reads. As for the bomb passes, Katsuki passing it to you

IS

weird on reread. He did declare V/LA, but why did he pass it to you specifically?

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug: Scum-flavored-null. Been out of thread with V/LA's a lot but has never really 'caught up', his recent posts saying there's nothing of interest are the BADDEST OF NEWS BEARS.

Nothing of interest

SINCE I HAD LAST POSTED.

Get it straight.

[StrangerCoug]

HOLY SHIT YOURE THE LYNCH TODAY GOODNIGHT

Then why aren't you voting me?

And in starting to care less and less what PM tmh even got. That VI needs to go.

Thanks for clearing themanhimself. My vote's not going anywhere.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC
Where/how did you get Fate was talking to you?

Fate had accused me of not providing content when I declared myself out of V/LA, so I misinterpreted him as talking to me instead of AntB.

pass bomb to themanhimself

Hey strangercoug I am even more confident tmh is town. I'd call you a douche but I think your only fallacy is a wrong role pm the game.

Yep

pass bomb to themanhimself

good riddance you blow.

Prepare to die.

[StrangerCoug]

Yeah, we're lynching NS today. After the bomb, though.

Nobody Special can eat rope in my opinion too, but Benmage is confirmed scum if you ask me. That's pretty much why I'm voting him.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, Benmage has gone completely insane. I'm a little less certain that themanhimself is scum, but it cannot be discounted—there were two deaths last night. Fate's recent comments make sense to me if he thinks BM and TMH are opposing scum, and BM has been tossed around as a serial killer suspect.

[StrangerCoug]

Personal Meta. I've played alot of games with him and I'm getting much better at reading him. Moreover my reads are usually way more on point than most.

He's playing to his scum Meta if you ask me. If I was master of the bomb I'd be orchestrating this shit.......where's he been?

How so? I'm very wary of meta cases.

[StrangerCoug]

Hopefully we have enough mislynches. Thats also why we need the SK alive

This is counter-intuitive to me. Why would leaving the serial killer alive

INCREASE

the number of mislynches we can afford?

[StrangerCoug]

SC what's it matter your hell bent confirmed on me being scum. And wary...yeah I'm gonna strain myself to appease someone not with the town.

I could just as easily turn this around on you. Assume I care about you giving a proper case on SpyreX for a few seconds and do it.

[StrangerCoug]

I'd start spewing out theory, but I'm going to leave it to asking you to demonstrate the scum motivation for what he's done here.

[StrangerCoug]

As scum he's strategicly posting waiting posting... he has no need to press buttons or make pushes because he's town.

This is contradictory.

You don't know of the scum motivation to not force conversation??? Come now SC we all know you're better than that atleast pretend to look town.

I asked a simple, legitimate question. There is no need to bite my head off.

[StrangerCoug]

SC post 655....I think that last post was still at the ski lodge mid booze mid song.

Oh.

[StrangerCoug]

Eh, I'm specifically not rolefishing you. I don't care what role you have, and I don't think you should claim it. But you earlier said you had a Bomb related PR and I want to determine whether this post was a joke or not.

Is it really pro-town either way?

Major HoS

. I'd vote you if Benmage weren't confirmed scum.

[StrangerCoug]

YOU DON'T STICK SOMEBODY YOU THINK IS TOWN WITH THE BOMB.

That's the nail in the coffin for me.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't want to hear it and I don't give a damn about your meta. Killing people you're pretty sure are town helps only the scum. That, in my mind, confirms you.

If you'd like to hear why else you're scum, at #402 you claim that we should wait until the bomb goes off on AntB before massclaiming, which happens at post #557. You claim at post #409, without any sort of pressure on you. You contradicted yourself pretty damn quickly.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't want to hear it and I don't give a damn about your meta. Killing people you're pretty sure are town helps only the scum. That, in my mind, confirms you.

Right. You've got nothing. You're going to convince noone to lynch me. You're scum. Check.

Right, let's see. Who's the towniest person in this game? ...Fate's posts look like solid town to me.

UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: Fate

*goes up in scumminess*

I thought I'd get that reaction.

UNVOTE: Fate
VOTE: Benmage

You can deny that my case exists all you want to, but it's there, and I'm sold on you being scum. With no return policy.

If you'd like to hear why else you're scum, at #402 you claim that we should wait until the bomb goes off on AntB before massclaiming, which happens at post #557. You claim at post #409, without any sort of pressure on you. You contradicted yourself pretty damn quickly.

To demonstrate that I wasn't scum scrambling to hide something as I was the only voice of opposition..it is very easy to recognize this simple, logical answer 1 VT claim is nothing when my point was to protect PRs....

Protecting the power roles ≠ narrowing down who could have one. If you're town, which I am 100% sure you're not, then again, you've helped scum.

WHAT WAS THE SCUM MOTIVATION TO MY EARLY CLAIM?!?!?!?

You couldn't think of a good power role and didn't want to be counterclaimed, most likely, but claiming is not itself scummy. In context of you opposing the massclaim, though, your doing so without being asked is contradictory. Who are the most likely to contradict themselves? Scum.

[StrangerCoug]

WHAT WAS THE SCUM MOTIVATION TO MY EARLY CLAIM?!?!?!?

You couldn't think of a good power role and didn't want to be counterclaimed, most likely, but claiming is not itself scummy. In context of you opposing the massclaim, though, your doing so without being asked is contradictory. Who are the most likely to contradict themselves? Scum.

You somehow think X, the answer is Y. Hito saw it instantly.

Show me where. From what I can find in his ISO, hito has questioned your choice of sticking themanhimself with the bomb, as I have, and said nothing either way about your contradictory stance regarding massclaim.

You're going to convince noone anyways.

Neither are you.

[StrangerCoug]

WHAT WAS THE SCUM MOTIVATION TO MY EARLY CLAIM?!?!?!?

You couldn't think of a good power role and didn't want to be counterclaimed, most likely, but claiming is not itself scummy. In context of you opposing the massclaim, though, your doing so without being asked is contradictory. Who are the most likely to contradict themselves? Scum.

You somehow think X, the answer is Y. Hito saw it instantly.

Show me where. From what I can find in his ISO, hito has questioned your choice of sticking themanhimself with the bomb, as I have, and said nothing either way about your contradictory stance regarding massclaim.

Why say you don't advocate claiming and then claim in the same sentence?

Presumably to prove he's not advocating delay just so scum can make a more informed fakeclaim.

OK, but sticking themanhimself, whom, according to you is town, with the bomb still stands.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, but sticking themanhimself, whom, according to you is town, with the bomb still stands.

Which I've proven I've done as town.

Which noone can sit here and logically think any scum has the balls to pull off something like that....I'd like to think I could, I didn't/haven't ever been that badass. I'm glad you hold me highly enough to think so.

Again, I don't give a damn about your meta. If you want me to reconsider my vote this far away from deadling, I want a town motivation for what you did in your next post. No WIFOM games, no fancy tricks, just why it's protown to kill people you think are town. Because I can think of

EVERY

way it helps scum. What you did makes me less confident of TMH-scum, but in any event, if you are both the same alignment, especially both town, I am going to jump off the Sears Tower.

[StrangerCoug]

WOULD YOU STOP FUCKING POSTING TO EACHOTHER.

STRANGER, WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON AV ON MY DESK 4MINS GO.

AurorosVox doesn't sit completely well with me. He can't go "Oh, I wasn't rolefishing" after trying to get you to fullclaim.

HE WANTED TO GET RID OF TMH BECAUSE TMH IS A LIABILITY. THIS IS PRO-TOWN BECAUSE TOWN IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT SHIT PLAYERS LIKE TMH.

A policy bomb, the close cousin (here) to the policy lynch. I'm not fond of policy lynches except Lynch All Liars (and I have exceptions for even

THAT

).

THE BONUS IS THAT TMH COULD VERY WELL BE SCUM ALSO, AS BEN KNOWS HIS OWN WEAK SPOT IN SCUMHUNTING IS TERRIBLE PLAYERS.

I'm still considering TMH-scum, but why the

HELL

did he announce a town read on him just before?

NOW I'LL HAVE NO MORE NON-AV-CENTERED POSTS.

Sorry, but you are not king of the world. Unless you know this is 12:2 and you have a guilty on AurorusVox, other options are available.

[StrangerCoug]

If it's any consolation, if themanhimself and Benmage are both town, you can push me off the Sears Tower. I'm not relenting on Benmage.

[StrangerCoug]

Sorry—misunderstood what you wanted from Fate. I still think it's scummy to ask if he is a power role, however.

[StrangerCoug]

SC can stamp his feet in the sight of town precedents because he has nothing else to go on. He can say he doesn't like policy lynches personally, but that's subjective and of no reflection to me/my alignment (see my opinion on them). He still can't justify it as a logical scum move, because no scum would do what I did.

I said no WIFOM games. Don't believe that it's possible for scum to do what you just did? Here how I came to this conclusion, point by point.

• Unless we have crazy third party roles such as jester, lyncher, etc. you win by wiping out everybody not aligned with you.
  
• Scum wins by wiping out the town (and enough opposing scum if any exist, but let's not get too complicated). Therefore, killing town is the best thing for them to do.
  
• The more townies that are dead, the closer town is to winning.
  
• Therefore, advocating the death of someone you believe is town is scummy.

And for extra credit:

• Normally, the way people kill people in the day is by lynching them. That requires a majority.
  BUT...
  
  
• You gave themanhimself, who had no passes left, the bomb. That means unless a lynch happens or SpyreX defuses the bomb, he's screwed. You don't
  HAVE
  to get a majority agreement to do that, therefore, in theory, you need to convince fewer people that themanhimself is scum. (In practice, getting a lot of people to believe your case is still a good idea.)
  
• Since you needed to convince fewer people to convince that themanhimself is scum, it's the next best way for town to get a town death with minimal effort. The last time I checked, zero counts as "fewer" since a Mafia game requires at least three players to run and two would be a majority in that case.

Now do you accept my logic that you're scummy and is any response going to be a valid defense, or is the back and forth between "you doomed a townie" and "scum wouldn't do this in a million years" going to go on? I am sick and tired of explaining this to you and I am resisting the temptation to insult you right now.

He's playing dumb here, which is a telltale sign that SC is scum, just like I nailed him hard in a previous game.

Ah, yes. I remember that game. The possibility that I was scum was tossed around, and not just with you. But guess what? Not enough people were able to agree on this, and I made it out alive. It may have come to a surprise to me, but still, I enjoyed the victory. Part of being town requires convincing other people that you caught scum. Fate thinks you and I are having a pissing contest; hitorogoshi appears to be able to go either way on you while it isn't clear what he thinks of my part of this exchange (the last I remember though, he's leaning scum on me); other people's reads on us are not coming to mind right now. It's apparently lose-lose, but we have demonstrated that we are hell-bent on getting the other lynched, so surely more people will chime in, and one of us will get what we want.

[StrangerCoug]

Stranger, I think NS is probtown if AV flips scum.

I'll be passing the first bomb I get to NS tomorrow after AV flips scum.


Now call us BOTH scum, or shut the fuck up.

You asked for it

[StrangerCoug]

Heh. Now that I've cooled down, I don't feel compelled to gun Benmage like mad. Not 100% sure why Fate wants me to tie him to him (although he

DID

answer a question I asked BM for him), so I'm going to lay off him for now. This does not mean, however, that my eye is off him—both him and Fate are under close watch.

UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: AurorusVox
Scum does not need to know if Fate is a power role or not.

[StrangerCoug]

Scum does not need to know if Fate is a power role or not.

I assume you typo'd. This is crap, btw. Of course if you remove all context "town does not need to know if player x is PR or not" but IN THE CONTEXT of everyone else claiming, with Fate's shittily ambiguous "HERPA DERPA IMA PR" post, it's in our best interests to close down his potential to dick us around later in the game. You're all just giving him a pass because he's Fate.

My post is worded correctly. Suppose just for the sake of argument that scum thinks Fate could be a cop. If they're pretty gosh darn sure of it, Fate either goes bye-bye or stops being able to get results if they're right. If, however, they believe that they guessed him wrong (or that he's a good lynch target), then there's an option to leave him alone.

TOWN

might be happy to know that there are people that can be cleared and/or condemned if he's a sane cop, but

SCUM

is then presented to one of the most dangerous roles to them. So whether Fate is a cop (or whatever other power role scum thought up—I did say this is just for the sake of argument) or a vanilla townie is not information that needs to be out right now. What you give the town in this thread, you give the scum too.

[StrangerCoug]

But the point is that I'm not asking WHAT his specific role is.

Hence the disclaimer "or whatever other power role scum thought up".

And if scum does not need to know that information, why do you think I'm scum for saying I want to know that information?

I say "need" from the viewpoint of what is beneficial to town. Other than that, I just explained this. To scum, a power role is usually either roleblock bait or nightkill bait. A vanilla townie does not pose a threat by itself.

[StrangerCoug]

But the point is that I'm not asking WHAT his specific role is.

Hence the disclaimer "or whatever other power role scum thought up".

No, not hence, because in what I was asking, I wasn't asking for ANY power role to be thought up, I was asking SOLELY for clarification on something that allowed Fate if he was scum to take us all for a ride.

Fate is the one thinking a power role up only if he is scum. If he's town, then scum have to guess what he could be based on his actions, which you're clearly trying to do. Granted, you claim it's just a binary "PR or not PR" that you want, but that is still too much information to have out.

And if scum does not need to know that information, why do you think I'm scum for saying I want to know that information?

I say "need" from the viewpoint of what is beneficial to town. Other than that, I just explained this. To scum, a power role is usually either roleblock bait or nightkill bait. A vanilla townie does not pose a threat by itself.

But there are already three other outed PRs. Why would scum need to target Fate when Hito, AntB and Spy are all claimed PRs?

I am not answering this question. Why should I give scum suggestions on which claimed power role is the best nightkill choice when the point of what I'm arguing is that we should not tell scum if Fate is a power role himself?

Also, "I say need..." - so you're saying you're concerned with what scum need

in relation to

what benefits town? That doesn't make sense.

It does not make sense because I am not trying to help scum win; I am trying to help town win. Therefore, I am not pushing an unbiased opinion on what constitutes a "need".

[StrangerCoug]

It was a rhetorical question. I'm not asking you to say who the best kill of those three is, where do I say that?

The way you worded the question shifts attention regarding the nightkill away from Fate and toward the three fullclaimed power roles. None of the four need targets painted on their backs.

Ohhh. I thought you meant "what scum need to benefit town" not you're looking at what scum need from a town-beneficial perspective. I still fail to understand your point.

Scum don't need Fate PR/Not
AV demands Fate PR/Not
AV = Scum
???

That's right, Sherlock.

[StrangerCoug]

Are we going to give AurorusVox the rope or are we waiting for themanhimself to go boom for some reason?

[StrangerCoug]

Wait for TMH to blow, then we can give someone the bomb to hold overnight in case of a night time explosion. Town directed night kill. Do you not see that this is beneficial to the town? Don't let me down and be scum, now, SC :\

Remember that I think that Benmage is scum for leaving a supposed town read to hold the bomb (and is convincing nobody that I am scum by logical deduction). I was hoping that, by getting a lynch in time, themanhimself would be able to pass the bomb so we wouldn't lose a townie; Benmage shot my scum read on themanhimself. As it stands, unless SpyreX uses his ability, themanhimself is screwed.

Not the least of which is that I am not scum (just ask DGB).

Why do you expect DrippingGoofball to bail you out of hell?

[StrangerCoug]

Looking at his ISO, he's relatively OK as his last mention of TMH gives him a possible scum read.

[StrangerCoug]

At this rate, I say we stick DrippingGoofball with the next bomb.

[StrangerCoug]

Did I doze off and miss the AntB case?

[StrangerCoug]

Did I doze off and miss the AntB case?

Yeah.

W.t.f just happened.....

Somebody needs to either post a summary of the AntB case or link me to where somebody already did so. That post of mine implies that I'm oblivious to it.

[StrangerCoug]

How the heck did I forget that post?

Also, Fate's and Spy's cases on whom? If you mean on AntB, do you still support his lynch?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm really out of the loop ><

[StrangerCoug]

I stand by my word, Fate.

*gets on top of the Sears Tower*

Push me off.

[StrangerCoug]

If it's any consolation, if themanhimself and Benmage are both town, you can push me off the Sears Tower. I'm not relenting on Benmage.

Yeah right SC...you had to know I was town.

Yeah. Sadly for me, the mouse killed the cat this time.