Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Andrius]

- MagnaofIllusion - ??? and Alive after N1

– KageLord - probable scum

– Toogeloo - ???
– tanstalas - scummy, but is he scum?

– SpyreX - town

– Dekes - ???

– Kublai Khan - town via Fate

– Jack - ???
– Kast - ???

– nopointinactingup - deduced as town via Spy and Andy
– Kdub - town via SpyreX
– The Stove - town via Starbuck

– xvart - scum via SpyreX

– Andrius - town

– AlmasterGM - ???

– SensFan - scum

I feel like we have a solid voting bloc, wouldn't you say? (Italicized names.)

[SpyreX]

I've got some decent feelings about Toog and Dekes. More than the others.

But, a good start.

I'll think more on it after sleeping happens.

[KageLord]

So wanna explain the case on me there, Andy?

[xvart]

That is the wrongest answer.

Well it's the only thing I can deduce with the severely limited information, other than Kdub being a red lantern but that goes against my read on him.

I am Sister Sercy, of the blue lanterns. I was the fourth person inducted to the blue lanterns. I am basically a VT (as I have no active abilities) with the exception of my passive immunity to all red lantern actions.

I did not target Andy last night.

I'm also having trouble believing that there are so many investigation roles (kdub, SpyreX (?), and Starbuck) but I haven't quite worked through it all.

Andy - I don't need any details so a simple yes/no: based on what you know and what you said here is it possible to confirm me? You said something about how you were confirmed to one of the other blue lanterns due to last nights actions.

[Jack]

I'm just going to let other people handle today.

[xvart]

Might as well ask:

Mod: Can a bus driver target him/herself to be bus driven?

[Kdub]

xvart, can you paraphrase the flavor in your role PM?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Apparently a vig has taken care of scummy Steph and probably dram as well. The other three tonight look like scum kills - now that we know Vi was not yellow like some had assumed.

The first part Andrius has already claimed. I’d like to know about the second part. I don’t recall anyone suggesting that Vi was Yellow scum but the Yellow kill. Can you point out where people suggested he was scum?

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@Spyrex

– I see your argument that you are leaning towards NoPoint = Town. I’m not ready to jump on-board that just yet since it relies on the following assumptions.

1. That Vi could actually bus-driver himself.
2. That if he could he would choose to bus-drive himself with a likely NK / Ring steal target. This I find the biggest stretch with the number of potential scum players he could have chosen instead.
3. That Katsuki was telling the truth about his Andy watch.
4. That NoPoint’s hide prevents all actions. While this is a valid variation on the regular Hider role the way he’s presented it seems awfully powerful.

A. He can’t be targeted by any ability.
B. He doesn’t die when hiding behind scum.

Having both those rolled into one seems somewhat a stretch. Also, I don’t like the timing of his ‘admission’ that he can’t be targeted since it comes well after it is posited as a means to clear him. See below for that.

All this said I’m willing to set aside NoPoint for today.

Whatever mysterious powers I have I targetted him with N1. I immediately got a result that I thought was going to be damning based on said procedural constraints.

Doesn’t this information, which you know to be true, conflict with the theory that NoPoint can’t be targeted?

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I want to make my thoughts on NoPoint’s evolving claim clear.

HAA!! You sent me a bullet didn't you Andy. Told ya I was Hida, you can't vig me bro

Note that his immediate response to Andrius saying he sent a ‘cookie’ to NoPoint is this. He doesn’t say “I didn’t get anything, you can’t target me with any abilities” just “You can’t shoot me”.

got nothing from you man. But I'm sure you meant to vig me, didn't you Andy ..
Regardless, I don't get much of teh swap thing but I'll like it because it proves that I'm innocent

Again not the slightest mention that his ‘role’ as Hider made him untargetable.

At

1253

he asks Andy to claim.

At

1256

and

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Spyrex brings up the possibility of independent prevention of Andy’s action outside of a Role-block.

Andrius you ducking dumbass. I'm untargettable by any night action if I hide. My role PM specifically states so and I'm trying real hard not to Caps my letters. Way to go, you just revealed part of your role for nothing.

Suddenly he remembers his role-PM that states this. Conveniently after Spyrex has speculated on a possible out.

@NoPoint

– Why not say this immediately instead of trying to discredit Andy as targeting you with a kill?

@NoPoint

– Why didn’t you attack Spyrex for claiming a power result on you yesterday as a liar if you can’t be targeted by anything when hiding?

You are still scum but are getting a pass for today. Enjoy your temporary escape from the noose.

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Vi bussed with me (from my POV) because he/she knew I was town and attempted to protect me via taking any kills for me?
That's what I thought.

Why would Vi, a PR, choose to take the bullet for you when he could have chosen any number of other scummy suspects to take the hit instead? Makes little sense.

The other option is that he busdrove you to someone else and was directly targeted by scum for a kill. I find that a much more logical thought process. And it makes NoPoint’s claim fall apart.

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I don't know what sort of results Kdub has on me but whatever it is is wrong. If his evidence is damning the only thing I can think of is that Vi bus drove me with someone else. I don't know what he was expecting to happen to me N1 or how that incriminates me but nothing happened.

So you are stating that Katsuki fabricated his watch on Andy (that saw Vi visit him)?

[Jack]

I don't understand how nopoint was deduced as town, all I remember seeing was the claim that he really was a hider.

[The Stove]

Real Life (tm) has completely blown up for me, but I'd like to chime in here to say that nopoint is very likely our SK. I don't think he's hiding, I think he's bulletproof.

I'm also fine with voting xvart.


-PZ

[ReaperCharlie]

Might as well ask:

Mod: Can a bus driver target him/herself to be bus driven?

I must answer your question with yet another question.

Which is:

Does a bus driver drive a bus?

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote Count

xvart [4] - SpyreX, nopointinactingup, Dekes, KageLord

nopointinactingup [3]

- tanstalas, Andrius, Kublai Khan

SensFan [1]

- AlmasterGM

Not voting [8]

- Jack, Kast, Kdub, MagnaofIllusion, SensFan, The Stove, Toogeloo, xvart

With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch. Deadline is February 5, 2011.

[xvart]

xvart, can you paraphrase the flavor in your role PM?

Evil Star is screwing with my people. I was the fourth person to join the Blue Laterns. I wish to bring hope back to my planet. Red powers have no effect on me. There is something else that I won't share as it is only a benefit to the scum to know; but, I can't tell if it is something universal to my blue lantern brothers or unique to me.

The first part Andrius has already claimed. I’d like to know about the second part. I don’t recall anyone suggesting that Vi was Yellow scum but the Yellow kill. Can you point out where people suggested he was scum?

Where/how was it determined that Vi was the yellow kill?

So you are stating that Katsuki fabricated his watch on Andy (that saw Vi visit him)?

I had actually forgotten about Katsuki's claimed result. With that in mind, and if I was bus driven with Andy, Kdub's result (whatever it is) would have been on Andy, but that doesn't make any sense either because it seems, with what he has claimed, Andy is a Blue Latern, too. I would assume that Katsuki was telling the truth with his result as trying to get out of being lynched and wouldn't want to be counter claimed so again, I don't know. It is hard for me to speculate since I don't know the nature of Kdub's false positive.

You also make a strong case against nopoint and his responses. With the night actions shenanigans I'm willing to go with general scummy behavior.

VOTE: nopointinactingup

[Kublai Khan]

Hey Andrius.. When did SpyreX get confirmed as town?

[Kdub]

Last question xvart: what is your full role name (name+role)?

[Kublai Khan]

He gave his name as Sister Sercy.

[Kdub]

I want the role name, not just the character name.

[Andrius]

I don't have good feelings on Dekes, which is the problem.
Kage, I'm following Spy's lead on you right now.
@ xvart: So you're Bulletproof to Red Lanterns, right?
I didn't think you targeted me last night. I'm pretty sure I know who did.

Andy - I don't need any details so a simple yes/no: based on what you know and what you said here is it possible to confirm me? You said something about how you were confirmed to one of the other blue lanterns due to last nights actions.

No. And I can't tell you why quite yet. (Though Brother-Blue can probably piece together my role)
Brother-Blue was confirmed to me because of his action that targeted me, and how it functions similarly to mine. So I know that he is Blue. And what I've seen from him throughout the game confirms that his role is similar to mine in one key respect, which means he is town.

So MoI makes a case on nopoint, calls him scum AND THEN DOESNT VOTE HIM. I just find that odd. Because that's damning enough for me to jump on the wagon, if not for xvart just sitting here.

Evil Star is screwing with my people. I was the fourth person to join the Blue Laterns. I wish to bring hope back to my planet. Red powers have no effect on me. There is something else that I won't share as it is only a benefit to the scum to know; but, I can't tell if it is something universal to my blue lantern brothers or unique to me.

Hmm...

@ KK: You're going to have to take my word for it at the moment. I was going to say that the only way he could be scum would be if he is a SK, but the necessary evidence for this to be true has not come to light, so I am taking him at his word. And if he were scum he probably would have just pushed the nopoint lynch after I pseudo-outed myself.

[KageLord]

Kage, I'm following Spy's lead on you right now.

lol so your reasoning for me as prob scum is that I'm on SpyreX's list for trying to ascertain how sure he was about xvart. At least you're honest about it.

@ KK: You're going to have to take my word for it at the moment. I was going to say that the only way he could be scum would be if he is a SK, but the necessary evidence for this to be true has not come to light, so I am taking him at his word. And if he were scum he probably would have just pushed the nopoint lynch after I pseudo-outed myself.

I suppose we will have to trust you. But why do you reject the possibility that him and nopoint are scumbuddies?

[MagnaofIllusion]

So MoI makes a case on nopoint, calls him scum AND THEN DOESNT VOTE HIM. I just find that odd. Because that's damning enough for me to jump on the wagon, if not for xvart just sitting here.

Hmm, could that be because you and others have been saying ‘Don’t quicklynch so people can post’????

And it’s not like I already stated I would be voting him once we had concensus that a Quick-lynch had been negated

Oh wait, I did in my first post.

[Kast]

I'll catch up tonight. Just read the day started post so far.

[Toogeloo]

xvart is probably a Yellow Lantern if he is BP to red lol. Or maybe that's too easy... maybe he is Red Lantern and doesn't think Yellow will shoot him after claiming BP to red and VT otherwise.


I could go for a xvart lynch at this point. The claim seems kind of dumb to me regardless. How can a person claim VT and then turn around and say they are Untargetable against Red?

Vote: xvart

[MagnaofIllusion]

Where/how was it determined that Vi was the yellow kill?

It was not determined as much as speculated. The logic path that got there was as follows -

1. Vi was janitored so she could not be the Red kill.
2. Red would not be killing Dram so that left Reck as the Red kill.
3. Speculating on mirroring Janitors on both scum teams (based on the Ring claim interest from scum-Dram and other factors).
4. Further speculation that Yellow-Janitor would not use a Janitor ability on a player (Vi) that they were not sure was dying.
5. Thus the Vi was likely the Yellow kill.

After that Andrius raised the valid point that Agent Orange might have inherited the Janitor ability of the first PR death. I think Dram makes more sense as a Orange kill as opposed to Yellow but it certainly can't be ruled out.

[Andrius]

@ KageLord: You're missing the point. Spy cannot be scum. So he cannot be scumbuddies with nopoint. lol

@ MoI: Sorry; reading isn't tech. ^^;

I'm pretty sure that xvart is Red scum over Yellow.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also, to hell with waiting -

VOTE: NoPoint.

We clearly aren't Quicklynching today.