Mini 1095 - Fast Food Mafia - Game Over

[Battousai]

battousai, we are close to the end of the game - second-to-last day, prolly - and there was no single nightkill except the mafia ones. A single death occurred at the end of a day, and it was due to poisoner. Why should we think that there is another killing role?

also: I have a longer experience than my onsite stats may suggest. Several doctors can cure poison, especially in when there are no other killing roles.

I agree that InHim is a strongly pro-town player. But something bothers me about the neighbors.

Yes, and if it isn't inhim, by deduction it's with raj's part.

[Magua]

Righto. So nothing has really changed my mind on IHSIB or lewarcher.

Of Battousai and Raj, I find Raj to be scummier by far.

[lewarcher82]

...so, if we decided for a raj lynch, there would be the number required for a lynch. However, I am not ready. I still would be interested in some comments by InHim, who, I presume, is not gonna support a wagon on raj.

Another thing that bothers me is that raj find magua scummy. I really don't. If magua is scum, I will call him "Your Majesty" for the rest of 2011.

@raj: if you wanted to cast a vote on someone who was not you confirmed mafia, meaning SC, why did you pick your other FoS? If magua were scum, he would have probably killed you at night. Or am I wrong?

[Zang]

Votecount-

Not Voting: lewarcher82, InHimshallibe, Magua, rajrhcpfreak, Battousai

3 needed to lynch

Deadline is February 3 at 3:30 pm EST

[rajrhcpfreak]

@lew very wifom. magua could have kept me alive since i was the "easiest" to build a case on. me picking magua was because he was next on my list. i had to say something so i could let inhim know my results and i didnt want to show that i knew that SCoug was scum.

killing the cop at night > killing scummy raj who suspects one of the members

also i would like to see how many people really believe that the game is balanced without a cop. we know that there is a scum doc. and the tracker is a very weak cop. and there is no doc. and then there is a miller.
if there is a miller doesnt that mean that there should be a cop? a tracker wouldnt pick up the miller.

[Battousai]

Rajscum results in this setup:

miller, tracker (weakened cop), poisoner (vig who can't kill N1), town neighbor, confirmable townie, 4 VT vs mafia goon, mafia doctor, mafia goon/GF???

An investigative, killing role, 2 roles that are confirmable vs 3 scum is pretty balanced.

Also miller weakens cop, yes. But, miller claim gives town possible mislynch or, when coupled with a town killing role, a loss of a killing ability for 1 night.

[rajrhcpfreak]

dont forget the first one you need to add a mafia neighbor. that is not balanced. miller can cause a mislynch. and the mafia doctor can save 1 out of the 3 people at night so lowers the chance of town killing scum. and then a scum neighbor could cause town to not look at him since that is a weak 'confirmable role'.

still miller doesnt effect a tracker. it only effects a cop. and a tracker has to track the person that made the kill thats a 1/3 chance of getting that right too.

[inHimshallibe]

Would someone besides me address the fact that this could very well be LyLo?

I'll get to why we shouldn't be voting raj. It'll just take some time today - this game isn't moving as fast as others.

[Magua]

My tl;dr with the poisoner/possible LyLo: It doesn't matter. We should lynch the scummiest person either way.

Possible lylo with poisoner:

1) If CooLDog poisoned the last mafia, game is already over. So, we should ignore this case, because if it's true, we win no matter what we do.
2) If CooLDog poisoned no one, then it's not lylo.
3) If CooLDog poisoned someone who's still alive:
a) We can detect this by putting everyone at L-1 and seeing if any of them are lynched. If this turns out to lynch Raj, Battousai, or I, great. However, if this turns out to lynch IHSIB or lewarcher, then we've wasted the lynch and shouldn't've bothered.
b) Assuming the person poisoned is town (see #1 above), there's a 1/5 chance we lynch scum today, and a 1/5 chance we lynch the poisoned person today. If neither of these happens, there's a 1/3 chance that the scum NKs the poisoned person tonight. So for it to be lylo is 3/5 (lynch non-scum, non-poisoned) * 2/3 (shoots non-poisoned) => 6/15.

[Magua]

Boring game is boring. If nothing happens to convince me otherwise, I'm going to vote Raj on Thursday.

[Battousai]

raj- As I said, miller with a town killing role = miskill. That could be the point of the miller.

[lewarcher82]

If we are on lylo, inhim, we just have to pick the scummiest player.

Please, if you want to point out any rsn not too lynch raj, do it now. To me it is him today, battousai tomorrow (assuming that there will actually be a tomorrow).

Battousai today and raj tomorrow may also be ok, it may be fun to see what is raj's report tomorrow, and how he will justify being alive.

Totally convinced magua and inhim are town, after re reading.

[inHimshallibe]

I honestly think we should put everyone at L-2 and just be ready to lynch someone tomorrow if CooLDoG actually did poison someone.

The only real reason I can give you to not lynch raj is that I know how he plays, how he thinks, and my thoughts on his play this game have been biased by the giddiness that being Neighbored with him was.

I agree that Magua looks very town on a first glance for a lot of different reasons. I will really put in the effort to read people in regards to their interactions with SC and PO. I have to do a little bit of work, but this game is my first priority today.

[Magua]

Putting people at L-2 is useless.

Putting people at L-1 is only useful if the poisoned person turns out to be Raj, Battousai, or I. Poison testing IHSIB or lewarcher does not help.

The game has dragged. I think its Raj or Battousai. lewarcher thinks its Raj or Battousai. Raj thinks its me or Battousai. Battousai thinks....its IHSIB or Raj (post #544), but Lord only knows how he arrived at that. You think it's not Raj.

New points aren't being brought up.

[Battousai]

No, I have IHSIB as basically confirmed town. Looking back, that was a typo. My scumlist still hasn't changed from earlier.

Raj > lewarcher > Magua > IHSIB.

Maybe it's time to vote?

Vote: raj

[inHimshallibe]

I meant L-1.

[inHimshallibe]

@New Blood (ConfidAnon)
When you can and when you've caught up, what's your views on myself, TheStatusQuo, StrangerCoug and EtheralCookie?

So far, thestatusquo and EC seem genuine in their arguments and attempts to reason things out. The original StrangerCoug post that started pretty much all discussion after the Miller claim was suspect, but when compared to the play afterwards, I think it was just an awkwardly-worded post.

You, however, deserve some attention:

Unvote, Vote: AntB

Just out of curiosity, why did you ask that question to me, but not to other players who have not given their thoughts?

Battousai's replacee, ConfidAnon.

"SC was pretty suspect at the time, but now seems awkward. Also vote AntB."

votes peanutman out of nowhere.

Unvote

Reason for the vote: I was bored with the game. To me, it seemed like all the discussion was revolving around CooLDoG and TSQ (not real interesting stuff, and only focusing on two people). I wanted to know how a vote placed on someone who had been quiet (I hadn't remembered seeing something from peanutman in a while) would affect what people were saying.

Honestly, the only things of note were you noticing it (good) and peanutman ignoring it (odd). He did start posting again, but other than that, nothing. I'll be honest, I'm not sure what exactly I was looking to happen, but an unexpected thing could potentially bring up unexpected actions, leading to unexpected information.

Giving cred to SC for something any player should do.

Battousai is my preferred lynch. Both he and Magua pushed some on SC, and I think Magua just overall has a more town feel.

Battousai is also not arguing against Magua being scum, but automatically pushes to take out one of raj/I seems like a gambit to get his preferred endgame.

[lewarcher82]

Magua: we can put everyone at L-1, including me, since I am Battousai's second-best lynch. Why not?

[inHimshallibe]

Magua and Battousai should vote everyone to L-1.

I am confident that none of lew, raj, and I will hammer prematurely. If raj does, he knows he is dead.

[Magua]

As I 100% do not believe that you or IHSIB are scum, lynching you due to being poisoned is a waste of the lynch.

That is, if the chips fall that you or IHSIB are poisoned...
1) We don't lynch you, mafia NKs you: We get to lynch two scummy people.
2) We don't lynch you, mafia does not NK you: We get to lynch one scummy person (today), then game is over.
3) We do lynch you: We get to lynch one scummy person (tomorrow), then game is over.

Scenarios #2 and #3 are the same, except that if we don't lynch you, there's still the possibility mafia will NK you and put is in scenario #1. That is why poison testing you or IHSIB is bad. It gets us nothing if we're right.

Or, to put it another way, poison testing people is only useful on those you were going to lynch anyways.

[Magua]

Magua and Battousai should vote everyone to L-1.

I am confident that none of lew, raj, and I will hammer prematurely. If raj does, he knows he is dead.

I'm fine with this plan, but only for doing it for Raj, Battousai, and myself. I have no interest or desire to do it for IHSIB and lewarcher.

[Magua]

VOTE: rajrhcpfreak (L-1)

Unvote

VOTE: Battousai (L-2)

The other reason not to do any testing on IHSIB and lewarcher is that scum wants to shoot someone who's not poisoned -- so passing the poison test makes the person more likely to be shot.

[Zang]

Votecount-

rajrhcpfreak - 2 - (Magua, Battousai) (L-1)

Not Voting: lewarcher82, InHimshallibe, rajrhcpfreak

3 needed to lynch

Fear took over the town as they realized this might be their last day. They took their time choosing who should be lynched but once again, their was a lynch before one could be made. Rajrhcpfreak was lynched this time, a small camera and a pizza menu were found in his pocket. Luckily, the town lived to see another day.

rajrhcpfreak, Pizza Hut, Town Neighbor and Cop lynched day 4.

Night 4 begins now

[Zang]

Once again, an innocent's body litters the streets. Magua is found in a pile of French fries. Signs of a struggle were also found but he was eventually defeated by the mafia.

Magua, McDonalds, Town Doublevoter was stabbed with a carrot night 4

Day 5 begins now

[Battousai]

Town double-voter as well...

Pretty damn confident inhim-scum would have gotten raj NK'd early, so that means he's town

Vote:lewarcher