Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[Saint]

I just realized if there are six scum, and a mishit on a vig, and darla dying town with a ML we might even be at lylo tomorrow

i'm hoping for 5 scum, which seems likelier, though
we don't have as many ML as you would think considering misvigs and this damn virus

[Saint]

p.s. darla, if you are town, please for the love of god pass it to your utmost lurking-scum-read

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I got 2 for me dying and 2 for me passing. Anyone else care to weigh in? I am town. and I don't really wanna die, but if there ARE six scum the chances of us winning with so many townies already dead is daunting at best. Yes. I am a defeatest what can I say.

If I pass it, does anyone have any preferences? I still want to give it to Bunny to be honest, but I know he wont keep it.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I will be here maybe 20 minutes more and then I am going to bed. If no one answers before then, I think I'll just let the virus take me and hope my death can shed some light on everyone else's alignment for the town.

[Saint]

PASS IT TO SOMEONE WHO YOU FIND TO BE LURKING SCUM WHO WILL DIE BY IT
END OF STORY

[DarlaBlueEyes]

lol. It's 4am. I have a headache from Satan. Looking back to see who is lurking is not at the top of my to-do list.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

There. I passed it. Going to bed now. byebye. If it gets passed back to me while I sleep, and I die, then so be it.

[popsofctown]

if saint's interpretation of the virus pm were correct, the thing would have exploded by now. Someone has to hold it.

[I Am Innocent]

DBE we don't want to know who you passed the power to.

We want to know who you protected with your powers last night

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UNDERLINED IS NOT NEEDED TO BE KNOWN AND CAN ONLY HURT TOWN

. SECOND TIME YOU PUSHED A SCUMMY AGENDA HERE, THIS TIME AFTER I ALREADY EXPLAINED IT!

unvote Pops
Vote Bunnylover

Give the virus to Bunnylover and this time hold it. If the flip is town, I'll take the blame.

[I Am Innocent]

I can almost hear sotty saying "appeal to fear" here.

I'll let theory arguments and outguessing the Mod go on for a little while when it's of no real consequence to the game, but when you want to test these little schemes over the course of two days (we couldn't lynch diddin yesterday because he had a Vig power, now we can't lynch him because lynching someone else could "confirm" him (which is totally misleading, btw)) and put the town in peril, I'm going to put my foot down.

Scum want mislynches. Scum do not want confirmed townies. If TMH is scum, and Diddin is not, like I suspect, than my guess is scum will know that TMH is going tomorrow and

will want Diddin out while they still have a chance

.

Make sense?

[curiouskarmadog]

DBE we don't want to know who you passed the power to.
We want to know who you protected with your powers last night.

whoa, why do you want this?....and when you say "we" who are you talking about? I dont care who he protected last night, why do you?...what could possibly be found with this info?

after this comment, I am just not seeing DBE as scum

......

vote Bunnylover.

damn stump.

[Saint]

Frick, I'm OCDing myself into this game.

Someone tell me what's wrong with this picture.
*Parama is being called Extremely Town by everyone. (okay, what's wrong other than that)
*DBE claims to have passed the Doctor to Parama.
*Parama wants to die Today, specifically by the Virus.

Also, the Virus PM is confusingly worded and I do not think there is a set upper limit on posts before it explodes regardless of how long someone has held it.
It should only explode after the number of posts listed IF it's not handed off.
I definitely believe that the number of posts between message retrieval and potato handoff are counted off of the total timer - when we got it the timer was at 75.
And it CAN be passed between scumpartners. For some reason I'm not sure if that was mentioned at all during the hoopla D1.

[popsofctown]

you realize the pm always says 75, right? There's two timers.

[popsofctown]

IAmInnocent, quit planning out the game based on people who have not flipped. You don't know the alignments of living player. Yes you can read people, you can try as best you can, but in the end most of the game is WIFOM, and it's difficult to ever read very far above random chances. Unless you have some kind of godlike scumhunting record and I've still not heard of it, you're wasting time when you discuss reads contingent on your other reads. I mean good gosh, when I take physics tests my teachers tell me reuse known information given in the problem rather than depend on derived information, and that's with MATH. This is PSYCHOLOGY. Geez laweez. I swear I facepalm every other post you make. Maybe something like 2/3. It's ridiculous. You just think things are easy when they're not, they're really not, they're very hard. The game is hard it's all hard. Go find me one scum, ok. One. Kill that scum. Convince me and enough other people he's scum and get him lynched, or go steal a dayvig power from someone cause you can do that in this game, or ask someone to PM you some of their old games because that seems to work in this game too. Then when that scum is dead, the mod will post a death scene. The death scene is like a cop investigation. Except you investigate living people. And the guy will be dead. And then when he's dead, we'll know he's scum. Then you can look at how what someone's alignment affects another. Cause you'll know what that alignment is. Because the mod will tell you. Until the mod tells you your guess is about as good as spelling a Wheel of Fortune sentence with only the F in "of" revealed. Which I mean if you think you're really good at it that's cool. It's just like William Tell I'll tell you you're good at it until you try to shoot an apple off my head with your skills or screw up my mafia game with your skills because this game is getting really screwed up with all this rabbit trail nonsense about what the tmh-xor-diddin scumteam will cycle, kill, want to vote, want to unvote, discuss in the QT, or who they'll ask to senior prom.
als;kjdfasjd;aldjka

[LimMePls]

Meh. I am to the point of agreeing with you that someone dying is the only way for town to advance. Ideally it would be nice to not have to self-sacrifice or let the town lose another townie for that to happen, but my death will clearly implicate a few people I suppose. That would be pro-town in and of itself. I can go down a hero! (lawl.)

Who exactly would your death implicate and why?

Also, ignore this if you've since done it, since I haven't fully read up, but:

@DARLA: NAME THREE PEOPLE WHO ARE SCUM AND WHY!

You still fail to comply with this, but you act puzzled why we don't think you are town. Also, if you are town, your opinions here could be VITALLY important. The only reluctance I could understand from you on this matter is if you are scum and you don't want to buss buddies or make contrived arguments. Dragging your feet on this has pretty much made it useless, but I still want an answer.

[LimMePls]

Frick, I'm OCDing myself into this game.

Someone tell me what's wrong with this picture.
*Parama is being called Extremely Town by everyone. (okay, what's wrong other than that)
*DBE claims to have passed the Doctor to Parama.
*Parama wants to die Today, specifically by the Virus.

Also, the Virus PM is confusingly worded and I do not think there is a set upper limit on posts before it explodes regardless of how long someone has held it.
It should only explode after the number of posts listed IF it's not handed off.
I definitely believe that the number of posts between message retrieval and potato handoff are counted off of the total timer - when we got it the timer was at 75.
And it CAN be passed between scumpartners. For some reason I'm not sure if that was mentioned at all during the hoopla D1.

What's wrong is that this isn't what happened.

Darla claims to have PROTECTED Parama last night, not passed him the Doc.

[q21]

nhamen's ridiculously long post

And what is it exactly I'm missing?
I'd like to claim #3, for the record, but I am not claiming my recipient.
Also, why do you have interest in me yet interest for people who are interested in lynching my slot and it flipping town? Just the sheer ignorance of imagining a town flip seems ridiculous. Let's imagine a scum one.

I disagree with my hydra's read on you recently. Your posting feels pretty pro-town. Is that how you play as scum? If you're that good as scum, I would consider lynching you based upon your unreadability.

I don't get the last sentence of your first paragraph... I read it and reread it and it still doesn't make much sense. As for the second paragraph... are you really trying to construct a too townie argument againt nhamen? Because that's what it looks like.

@nhamm: Thanks for reminding me of that question, I missed it lol.
@Pops: I think its because I believe Saint is scum, while on DBE I don't believe it yet. Would I cry if DBE dies, no I wouldn't.
@I am Innocent: 3) Someone Else.

I'd like reasoning for this
Are you familiar with my play?
Do you realize I go the extra mile as town?
Are you familiar with my vehement scum-meta and easy-readability?

I am by far NOT a policy lynch, and you WILL NOT gain any traction on this.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY I'M POSTING THIS!

I do not remember anyone saying anything about a policy lynch of you, certainly I don't see it in the post you've quoted here. So far as I can see it the policy lynch point here is a blatant strawman. All scummy. I now list Saint as people I think are scum.

Someone tell me what's wrong with this picture.
*Parama is being called Extremely Town by everyone. (okay, what's wrong other than that)
*DBE claims to have passed the Doctor to Parama.
*Parama wants to die Today, specifically by the Virus.

She said she protected Parama, not that she passed her ability to Parama.

Preview Edit: Ninja'd by LMP on the last point... but screw it.

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 2x3 ::

LynchMePls (0) -

RedCoyote (0) -

themanhimself (1) -

Parama

Lateralus22 (0) -

WrathChild (1) -

nhammen

curiouskarmadog (0) -

quadz08 (2) -

diddin, Nero Cain

Nero Cain (0) -

DarlaBlueEyes (6) -

LynchMePls, implosion, popsofctown, Lateralus22, StrangerCoug, q21

q21 (0) -

diddin (2) -

quadz08, RedCoyote

popsofctown (0) -

Bunnylover (3) -

Saint, DarlaBlueEyes, I Am Innocent

I Am Innocent (0) -

StrangerCoug (0) -

Parama (2) -

themanhimself, Bunnylover

Implosion (0) -

nhammen (0) -

Saint (0) -

Not Voting (2) -

curiouskarmadog, WrathChild

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Tuesday February 1st, 2011 5:00pm EST.

[themanhimself]

I got the virus and passed it to diddin, I think he's extremely scummy and I've brought it up before. One thing I want to mention is that from my interpretation of the redirector role PM, it's not a standard ability. I'm only bringing this up because if diddin survives and passes the ability, he'll probably try to pass it to scum to clear one or the other (assuming he's scum, which I am).

[Bunnylover]

Im confused as to why knowing who a doctor protected, who no longer has that ability, is scummy?
And I'm more then sure people asked who he protected.

[curiouskarmadog]

so confused..you cant answer questions?

DBE we don't want to know who you passed the power to.
We want to know who you protected with your powers last night.

whoa, why do you want this?....and when you say "we" who are you talking about? I dont care who he protected last night, why do you?...what could possibly be found with this info?

after this comment, I am just not seeing DBE as scum

......

vote Bunnylover.

damn stump.

[I Am Innocent]

Im confused as to why knowing who a doctor protected, who no longer has that ability, is scummy?
And I'm more then sure people asked who he protected.

Read below.

I already claimed to have had the Firewall/Doc ability and passed it on the towniest player - therefore I am not claiming who I gave it to because then the scumboni will know who our doc is.

Darla hints that she passed the Doc ability to the towniest player she knows. Also hints that she doesn't want to say who she protected because then the scum will know who our doc is. One in the same???

Saint pressed Darla on who she protected, I told Saint to back off to protect the identity of our doc.

You ignored all that, or skimmed over it, either of which you did is scummy.

[Bunnylover]

@I AM Innocnet:
No DBE claims she is not telling us who she passed it to.

therefore I am not claiming who I gave it to

Right their, just read it.

DBE no wheres mentioned she passed it on to the person she protected. You misunderstood her, or I am been stupid again and missing something.

[I Am Innocent]

Wow what a scummy post.

IAmInnocent, quit planning out the game based on people who have not flipped.

No I am utilizing our best tool, which is what you argued with MOI about as well. Eliminating possible scum pairings. You were against it early, and now you want to get rid of people connected to TMH when we all know TMH is going tomorrow. Scummy.

You don't know the alignments of living player.

Only a scum would know that I don't know the alignment of living players. Thanks for confirming me town.

Yes you can read people, you can try as best you can, but in the end most of the game is WIFOM, and it's difficult to ever read very far above random chances.

So let's just get out the dart board and throw away huh? Don't think so.

Speaking of random chances, one way to reduce that is through eliminating scum pairings, which you continue to try to avoid at all costs.

Unless you have some kind of godlike scumhunting record and I've still not heard of it,

Well my signature contains my W/L record on this site, so I do okay scumhunting. I also do much better at town reads, and knowing when to get rid of questionable dead weight and who to trust at end game.

you're wasting time when you discuss reads contingent on your other reads.

No, I am putting out there sound strategy. Like I did when I suggested CKD pass the treestump to TMH and we be done with TMH & the Treestump D3. We get knowledge, knowledge is good.

As for reads on other reads, are you referring to quadz being linked to you. Well it has something I have noticed for a bit, and if I go tonight, I want that on public record, so if/when you die and flip scum, there should be a trail back to him.

I mean good gosh, when I take physics tests my teachers tell me reuse known information given in the problem rather than depend on derived information, and that's with MATH. This is PSYCHOLOGY. Geez laweez. I swear I facepalm every other post you make. Maybe something like 2/3. It's ridiculous. You just think things are easy when they're not, they're really not, they're very hard. The game is hard it's all hard.

No idea what any of this is suppose to bring to the table, except that you are trying to discredit me. Noted.

BTW, where do I say things are easy? How do you know what I think? Or is that just trying to slander me as Saint would say?

Go find me one scum, ok. One. Kill that scum. Convince me and enough other people he's scum and get him lynched,

Ah so the loss of all these town are my fault. Nice try, go check my record. I was pushing TMH, not Powerox. I never pushed Helghast. I said I think DBE is being targeted as the easy guinea pig today.

You want scum dead. Take the bomb and hold it. Convinced yet?

or go steal a dayvig power from someone cause you can do that in this game,

Another bizarro line. What does any of that have to do with me? I do not have dayvig, so all I can do is voice my opinion. Which I have been doing, but I can't force people to vote my way.

or ask someone to PM you some of their old games because that seems to work in this game too. Then when that scum is dead, the mod will post a death scene. The death scene is like a cop investigation. Except you investigate living people. And the guy will be dead. And then when he's dead, we'll know he's scum. Then you can look at how what someone's alignment affects another. Cause you'll know what that alignment is. Because the mod will tell you. Until the mod tells you your guess is about as good as spelling a Wheel of Fortune sentence with only the F in "of" revealed. Which I mean if you think you're really good at it that's cool. It's just like William Tell I'll tell you you're good at it until you try to shoot an apple off my head with your skills or screw up my mafia game with your skills because this game is getting really screwed up with all this rabbit trail nonsense about what the tmh-xor-diddin scumteam will cycle, kill, want to vote, want to unvote, discuss in the QT, or who they'll ask to senior prom.
als;kjdfasjd;aldjka

More gibberish. The only thing I read on this is that you do not sound confident that TMH is scum. Is that the case? Also, do you think he is going to be killed tomorrow? If so, do you still think it is wise to take out CKD or Diddin today?

[Bunnylover]

so confused..you cant answer questions?

DBE we don't want to know who you passed the power to.
We want to know who you protected with your powers last night.

whoa, why do you want this?....and when you say "we" who are you talking about? I dont care who he protected last night, why do you?...what could possibly be found with this info?

after this comment, I am just not seeing DBE as scum

......

vote Bunnylover.

damn stump.

The reason I didn't answer those was because they seem rhetorical.
In any game, when a doctor get outted out, everyone ask who they protected.
Why is this game any difference?
I don't see any reason to not know who she protected.
What does this information give that is hurtful to town and beneficial to scum?
None.
Its the same the opposite way too.
I mean their really isn't any reason not to know.