Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[MagnaofIllusion]

I don't want scums to take advantage of that. So I'd say probably but maybe no. Just send me the goodies either way

This makes no sense from a Town perspective. Really.

1. If he is Town he should welcome the chance to be brought into the building alliance. Yet instead he says he probably will Hide and still invites Andy to waste his Night Action on NoPoint.
2. Does anyone else find it credible, at all, that scum would be looking at NoPoint as a kill? With the amount of confirmed / semi-confirmed Town building (5 at this point) I very much doubt scum are going to be aiming to kill from the PoE pool at this juncture.

I'm leaning at this juncture towards NoPoint being Orange who is Night Action immune, as Stove suggested.

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Magna, in your first post of D2 (post 1131), why do you vote nopoint while saying very little about Katsuki, despite the fact that there was strong evidence against both of them at the time? In fact, I would argue that the evidence against Katsuki (claimed result by confirmed town-Starbuck) was even stronger. I felt that your vote here stands out because the two wagons were both viable at this point, yet you are trying to push nopoint as the lynch over someone who we now know is scum. It may turn out that nopoint is scum as well, but the point still holds as long as he is not yellow.

I voted for NoPoint because I thought (as I continue to do so) he was scum. You can, from a position of hindsight, claim that Katsuki had stronger evidence against him. In hindsight I can’t dispute he was scum. That said –

1. I had a scum-read on NoPoint during Day 1.
2. His claim of not dying despite Hiding behind Vi read to me as an attempt to cover for the unrevealed potential Track result from Spyrex D2.

If as this game progresses you feel the need to string me up in a PoE process (which is clearly where the game is headed in quick fashion) to root out scum do so. I’m not going to stop playing the way I do and stop scum-hunting to play follow the Cop / Failed Recruit / Nebulous Unspecified Result. I know I’m not going to flip Yellow or Red or Orange. So do what needs to be done.

That said I’d like you comment on NoPoint’s claim of Hider and the information I pointed out in 1307.

Also, I’ve looked at you Day 2 ISO. Why did you not press against AGM or any of the other playes who actively argued against Guderain’s lynch Day 1?

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On D3 MoI completely ignored the guilty on xvart, only asking him to clarify whether he got watched by Katsuki or not.
He was going after NoPoint instead.
If xvart is flipping yellow I think there's a great case on MoI being yellow as well.

1. I don’t sheep. Especially to a nebulous claim (althought I understand the reasons why Kdub is keeping quiet).
2. In light of Xvart’s admission I’d like to highlight this statement as potentially a Yellow Lantern setting up future mislynches based on his inside knowledge. Remember this when the time comes and I flip which will not be Yellow (or Red or Orange).
3. If you honestly think I, as Yellow scum, would spend my time defending my partners as opposed to bussing them into oblivion you aren’t as smart as you think you are.

By the by, on D1 I started the Gud wagon when nobody else wanted to and I asked triple voter Reck to move his votes to Gud when there was a Starbuck wagon (and I think a SensFan wagon) going on, so I'd like to get some non red-scum credit there.

Really? Why, as Town, are you so worried about garnering your ‘cred’ that you make this statement?

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@xvart

– Thanks for confirming that there is only one Goon per Scum team (or at least on the Yellow team) if you aren’t lying.

[Kdub]

I voted for NoPoint because I thought (as I continue to do so) he was scum. You can, from a position of hindsight, claim that Katsuki had stronger evidence against him. In hindsight I can’t dispute he was scum. That said –

1. I had a scum-read on NoPoint during Day 1.
2. His claim of not dying despite Hiding behind Vi read to me as an attempt to cover for the unrevealed potential Track result from Spyrex D2.

If as this game progresses you feel the need to string me up in a PoE process (which is clearly where the game is headed in quick fashion) to root out scum do so. I’m not going to stop playing the way I do and stop scum-hunting to play follow the Cop / Failed Recruit / Nebulous Unspecified Result. I know I’m not going to flip Yellow or Red or Orange. So do what needs to be done.

That said I’d like you comment on NoPoint’s claim of Hider and the information I pointed out in 1307.

Also, I’ve looked at you Day 2 ISO. Why did you not press against AGM or any of the other playes who actively argued against Guderain’s lynch Day 1?

I'm not disputing that you found nopoint scummy, I'm more concerned with the fact that you almost completely ignored Katsuki to focus on nopoint when there was clear evidence of her being scum that should have been acknowledged.

I agree with you that nopoint's claim sounds like a possible action-immune scum (SK?). However, I have reasons to trust SpyreX/Andrius, and I think we'll find out sooner or later whether he is scum or not, so I haven't been worrying too much about it.

AGM's been a bit under the radar for me, plus I was focused on xvart yesterday since I knew he was scum. He only defended Guderian after it was clear that Gud was going to be lynched, and I'm not sure he would do that if he knew Gud was flipping scum. If anything, his defense of Gud plus his attacks on Sens make him more likely to be yellow scum than red.

[danakillsu]

Final Vote Count of Day 3

xvart [9] - SpyreX, nopointinactingup, Dekes, KageLord, Toogeloo, The Stove, Andrius, Kast, tanstalas

nopointinactingup [2]

- Kublai Khan, MagnaofIllusion

SensFan [2]

- AlmasterGM, xvart

Not voting [3]

- Jack, Kdub, SensFan

With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch. A lynch has been reached


You all gathered in the town square, though your numbers were greatly diminished, and decided again on who to kill. Some of you, despite your great track record so far as a group, were opposed to hastily making the decision, but most of you had already chosen your target. "Hold off until everyone can speak their mind," said one. But it was not to be. Tanstalas zoomed into view and left a crater where xvart had once stood.

xvart was

ARKILLO (Ninja)

, a member of the

Sinestro Corps

.

It is now Night 3, which will end 72 hours from this post.

[danakillsu]

As you have fought over the now almost barren city, you have once or twice thought that you saw shadows of almost-human forms floating around and suddenly darting behind the shells of buildings that are still standing. And this morning, when you wake up, you stumble across a grotesque creature lying on the ground. It appears to have once been a woman, but her features are twisted into slitted red eyes and an evil, malicious grin. This is when you realize that those shadows must be alive. At least in some sense of the word. Along with this woman are three other bodies. One is a brutish male life form wearing traditional garb of some kind, who is mostly uninteresting. But two other bodies appear to have both been burnt by a red energy, which has formed a small crater in the town square. It looks like a cat and a blue-skinned woman. Now there's something you don't see every day.

Toogeloo was

Fatality (VT)

, member of the

Violet Lantern Corps

Black Lantern Corps

SpyreX was

Munk (Role Copier)

, member of the

Indigo Tribe

Jack was

Queen Aga'po (VT)

, member of the

Violet Lantern Corps

SensFan was

DEX-STARR (BoMB)

, a member of the

Red Lantern Corps

.

[danakillsu]

Obviously, the game has changed. Though you have not settled your differences as representatives of different emotions, you realize that there is a threat that might become greater than all of you combined. The Black Lantern Corps, representing death, is able to corrupt the living and the dead to join them in their quest to end all life in the galaxies. Your win conditions have not changed, but rest assured that this new enemy will do all it can to keep you from fulfilling them.

[Kdub]

Magna, did anything happen to you last night? Just say yes or no.

Black Lantern Corps = cult? The mod's comments are a bit vague and I don't know the source material. If it is a cult, then unfortunately we can't assume anyone as confirmed town anymore, but we can deal with that later.

[Dekes]

A cult mechanic? Really? Support from (several) flavor specialists is greatly appreciated. Is it possible that people automatically convert to the Black Lantern section based on their role or is it more likely that this is the work of a recruiting mechanism?

If it is a cult, then unfortunately we can't assume anyone as confirmed town anymore,

but we can deal with that later.

Kdub gets thousand Blackest Night points for this one. We are of now 7-2-1-1 excluding any Black Latern shenanigans. Another slaughterfest at night and we are close to LyLo already. We should shed some light on this situation pretty soon.

Vote: MoI

Still yellow scum. Upon rereading through suspects and dead scum last night there's a good chance Kagelord is yellow scum as well though he was pretty early on both Kats and xvart, still have to check the timing of when he joined their respective wagons.
If someone has proper evidence of other people being scum (npiau is still a good candidate) so we can weed out one of the killing factions, I'm all ears.

I'm also not sure if SpyreX's gambit of not letting himself getting targeted by town was the greatest of all ideas.

[Dekes]

EBWOP:
I saw you down there, Kagelord. Might wanna leave some comments on your partners' deaths or anything at all?


Oh yeah, and xvart lying about his role? Shocking.

[Dekes]

EBWOP²:
Mmmmmmh....reading through dana's latest posts and adding the bits I know about Blackest Night from the Wiki article, there's a possibility we aren't looking for the remaining yellow, red and orange scum anymore.

But that would be really whacky if we had to re-eveluate our reads on every single person midway through the game. I don't think I would like that at all.

[The Stove]

I'll talk to Zito, as we were not exactly expecting to live through the night.

SensFan being red fits in with our reads.
Jack flipping town aligned doesn't exactly mesh with where I had him.

I think MoI is yellow-scum, fo' sho.

This black lantern thing, although not surprising at all, has definitely thrown a screwball into things.

-AG

[The Stove]

Also, Zito pointed out that Kage, Sens, and Dram all supported a color claim on D1. Sens and Dram were red-scum. Kats, yellow scum, also supported it.

We postulate red scum had some mysterious reason to get mass color claims, Kage falls in line as red scum potential. Kast fits scum profile, lots of IIoA, flavor business, minimal actual production for the game. Seems to have avoided input on the xvart wagon, just the vote when everything was laid out.

I think MoI should be the lynch today to preserve some town safety, reducing yellow to 1 remaining of the originals, recruitment possibilities notwithstanding. However, we have also been tossing about the possibility of NPIAU-OJ with somewhat serious consideration.

Last- Dekes, about the whole "No more lynching OJ/Red/Yellow" - Dana stated that our win cons wouldn't change. So unless either scum never had a "when your faction controls the town, or nothing can prevent the same" type wincon or they got modified wincons overnight, I don't foresee that happening.

Gonna have to re-read Toog, that might lead to some sort of fruition.

-AG

[Kublai Khan]

I think MoI should be the lynch today to preserve some town safety, reducing yellow to 1 remaining of the originals, recruitment possibilities notwithstanding. However, we have also been tossing about the possibility of NPIAU-OJ with somewhat serious consideration.

I disagree. I think we should red/orange-hunt in order to reduce the number of night-killings. There have not been enough cross-kills in this game and we need to stop the bleeding. If MagnaofIllusion is yellow scum, then let the red Lanterns (if we lynch wrong) or the vig (who I'm assuming is the SensFan killer) dispatch him at night.

[The Stove]

I think MoI should be the lynch today to preserve some town safety, reducing yellow to 1 remaining of the originals, recruitment possibilities notwithstanding. However, we have also been tossing about the possibility of NPIAU-OJ with somewhat serious consideration.

I disagree. I think we should red/orange-hunt in order to reduce the number of night-killings. There have not been enough cross-kills in this game and we need to stop the bleeding. If MagnaofIllusion is yellow scum, then let the red Lanterns (if we lynch wrong) or the vig (who I'm assuming is the SensFan killer) dispatch him at night.

Let me put it this way:

I, personally, am almost positive of an MoI-yellow flip. His actions around driving the counter wagon against xvart yesterday were almost blatant. I'd shit a large brick if he were to flip town.

Unless you have a guilty, or just as damning evidence of another player being red-scum or orange, then I'd be hardpressed to fight for our vote to go elsewhere. I'm not saying don't hunt, but if we lynch wrong today, it could potentially spell game over for the remaining town. I'd rather see us hunt, set up a few leads for tomorrow, and move with a more assured feeling for scum.

Without the black lanterns, it was a 7-4 split of town v antitown. Now, with them, it's at best 6-5 (6-2-1-1-1), or it could be skewed out of our favor to 4-7 (4-X-X-X-3) if the black faction can grow every night. The odds don't exactly look wonderful, especially considering there's 4 kills a night, it seems.

-AG

[Kublai Khan]

That's what I'm saying though. We have to choose our demons. 2 yellows left, 1 red, 1 SK, and up to 3 cult members. That leaves actual 4 town members left.

If we lynch yellow today, then we'll have another 4 kills. Granted, the chance of successful cross killing grows more likely, but I'd still like to plan for the worst case scenario.

[tanstalas]

I agree with The Stove, MoI is probably our best choice for a lynch. I'm kinda of scared now though, in the comics the black lantern corps were made up of heroes that were DEAD right? If dead people start coming back...

Andy, any thoughts and how did the cookie thing go?

[KageLord]

Also, Zito pointed out that Kage, Sens, and Dram all supported a color claim on D1. Sens and Dram were red-scum. Kats, yellow scum, also supported it.

We postulate red scum had some mysterious reason to get mass color claims, Kage falls in line as red scum potential. Kast fits scum profile, lots of IIoA, flavor business, minimal actual production for the game. Seems to have avoided input on the xvart wagon, just the vote when everything was laid out.

-AG

Interesting. I went back and checked and that does seem correct. But, where that falls apart is where Reck, Spy, and kind of Vi were in favor of it too (and Andy said he was warming up to the idea).

I agree with The Stove, MoI is probably our best choice for a lynch. I'm kinda of scared now though, in the comics the black lantern corps were made up of heroes that were DEAD right? If dead people start coming back...

Eh, we have no idea how the mechanic is going to work here. Especially since it appears that Toog (who was alive) had been converted from Violet to Black.

I want to hear what happened with Andy and NPIAU before deciding on MoI.

[KageLord]

EBWOP: deciding about MoI.

[Kdub]

Dekes, how would you suggest we start hunting for black scum then? Mass claim is going to do little good since anyone who has been converted can claim their original role and actions.

I'd like to hear from Magna before I say anything else.

[Andrius]

I did NOT target nopoint last night.
I PM'd dana and asked for some clarification regarding his Hider claim, and it was told to me that even if he didn't hide I could not confirm him via my normal means.
SOMEHOW the Serial Killer getting a "Hider" claim is just wrong. BUUUT I'm not throwing it out.

So I didn't.
And now I ask you, tanstalas: Claim the following:
1) Did you receive anything last night? And if the answer to the above is "No":
2) Claim basics. Do you have an active ability, what color you are, what's your gender (if discenrable). That's all I'll need to know.
Because I think this will confirm you as town.

Hi Kdub.

MoI alive today is very unsettling. Glad Jack got the boot; surprised that Spy was killed.

Let's not do anything rash. I'd like to wait for everyone to post again, and such.
Not surprised about Black. I mean, RC WAS in Succession Mafia.

[Andrius]

I've also toyed with a Blue Lantern MassClaim.
If we could solidify part of the Corps then we're in good standing.

[tanstalas]

1) Did you receive anything last night? And if the answer to the above is "No":
2) Claim basics. Do you have an active ability, what color you are, what's your gender (if discenrable). That's all I'll need to know.
Because I think this will confirm you as town.

No
Yes
Green
Male

[Andrius]

Have you already claimed?

If no, please power-claim.
(Hint: Claiming Black Recruiter isn't a good idea. )

[tanstalas]

Black recru... oh wait..

Sodam Yat - Odd night vig, and to answer your next question Dramonic and Toog (oops)

[Andrius]

Released from the Bonds of Life

–

Guderian -

Atrocitus

,

Investigation-Immune Janitor

in the

Red Lantern Corps

- Lynched on Day 1.

–

dramonic -

Bleez

,

Operative

in the

Red Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 1.

–

xRECKONERx -

Star Sapphire

,

Mason Recruiter

in the

Violet Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 1.

–

Vi -

Kilowog

,

Busdriver

in the

Green Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 1.

–

Katsuki -

Bedovian

,

Watcher

in the

Sinestro Corps

- Lynched on Day 2.

–

Plum -

William Hand

,

Operative

in the

Indigo Tribe

- Killed on Night 2.

–

Starbuck -

Wonder Woman

,

Cop Mason

in the

Violet Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 2.

–

Stephoscope -

Arisia

,

Operative

in the

Green Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 2.

–

Fate -

Tomar-Re

,

Gunsmith

in the

Green Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 2.

–

xvart -

Arkillo

,

Ninja

in the

Sinestro Corps

- Lynched on Day 3.

-

Toogeloo - Fatality, VT in the Black Lantern Corps, Killed N3

-

SpyreX -

Munk, Role Copier

in the

Indigo Tribe

, Killed N3

-

Jack -

Queen Aga po, VT

in the

Violet Lantern Corps

, Killed N3

-

SensFan -

DEX-STARR, BoMB

in the

Red Lantern Corps

, Killed N3

Updated rfor visual-types like me.
Also, I TOLD YOU SSBF WOULD HAVE SENT IN SCUM COLORS. /enddiscussion

[Andrius]

Be right back. Going to brunch.
Waiting on dana to get back to me with something...