Newbie 1038: Welcome to the Jungle! (Game Over!)

[KingTwelveSixteen]

Blah blah generic townie.

singer can go next.

[singersigner]

King, your response reminds me of the movie with Adam Sandler in it, Mr. Deeds.

Aaanywho. I've always wanted to be a pro-town role other than a VT, but unfortunately, my streak continues. Vanilla Townie here.

Go, go gadget, Mirror.

[MirrorIrorriM]

It is my first game and I am a doctor. I hate saying that for fear of nightkills but at this point it doesn't matter. Sadly I have been pretty bad at doctoring so far but then again it is hard to predict a role you have never played. :u

Now that it is out I might as well explain my strange actions with more detail. My whole game has been a confusing mush of trying to be forward with my opinions whilst being a bit laid back to avoid attention from mafia. I kinda wish I could have been a VT before this game to get a hand of mafia without having any responsibility beyond my lynch vote but I cant really control that now can I?

[MirrorIrorriM]

Oh hey forgot about you tanstalas. Your turn to claim.

[tanstalas]

VT

Something about King's 'generic townie' statement makes my gut clench

[singersigner]

Mirror, who did you protect the first two nights?

[KingTwelveSixteen]

VT

Something about King's 'generic townie' statement makes my gut clench

Being generic townie is boring. I wanted to have a power.

[Concission]

@Mirror: And why your targets on that matter. Why didn't you mention your targets when you claimed?

[MirrorIrorriM]

@ Concission : Didn't see the need.

My first target was KingTwelveSixteen and my second was also KingTwelveSixteen. I was so certain he was going to be night killed but I guess mafia predicted that?

[Concission]

Strange answer. Do you imply that the mafia knows there is a doctor in the game and act pre-emptively?

[MirrorIrorriM]

I would think they would avoid picking the most obvious targets for suspicion of that, yes.

[MirrorIrorriM]

@Singer : During the DP/Uite phase of day 1 you often would aimlessly switch between them depended on popular opinion at the time. And metaing you turned up some inconsistent attitude between other games and this. In this game you tend to be far less vocal then in others, having a more lurkey attitude then in others. Although this isn't the fence sitting Tanstalas is pulling off, this is the "no info but it is a long post so it looks good" kinda lurking. I didn't find a completed game meta with you scum however. If you would please direct me to one I would be quite pleased.

@Tanstalas : Looking at Llama's earlier statements from the knowledge of his innocence I can understand his point in us looking like scumbuddies. Fact is you have been relatively quiet this game; so much so that I have absolutely no idea of your personality thus sofar. Even metaing you didn't produce much beyond a bunch of stuff about minecraft in the unrelated topics (although I admittedly didn't look exceptionally far). Like I said with singer, if you could actually show me a game where you have been scum or town I would appreciate it greatly.

@Pine/Concission : Although most of my case against you is incredibly based on your predecessor. I will note that your actions seem sketchy in during today as apposed to previous days. Today your attitude seems more free now that the only person who was really accusing you (Uite) is out of the way. You seemed more reserved yesterday as apposed to today which I find suspicious.

@King : Gog this is crazy with you. I have absolutely nothing against you for this whole game. Every wrong action you take is always so easily interpreted as innocent with incorrect presumptions. Either you are exceptional scum or a purebred VT. I still honestly believe you are a VT, however, and see no reason to suspect you otherwise.

OK so there is my hypocritical accusation on everyone (if you can call King's an accusation). Although I believe that doing reads on everyone earlier in game to footprint on them for later wagon justification was scummy, with so few people I see little other options.

So tempted to vote right now, but seeing as we have 16 days or so I will hold back.

FOS : Tanstalas
Your mafia play is more reminiscent as that of a sly perpetrator then an honest townie who doesn't update like others. Me, King, and your play have all followed similar voting patterns; but you are the odd one out. Your justifications are always just strong enough to get by but subtle enough to not have consequences. For the past 2 days your justifications have all been "what Uite said" or "What singer said" or just endless drool about what OTHERS have said without voicing valid reasoning on a personal level. This fence-sitting is unacceptable and I expect an explanation (and also the meta if you will).

[tanstalas]

@Tanstalas : Looking at Llama's earlier statements from the knowledge of his innocence I can understand his point in us looking like scumbuddies. Fact is

you have been relatively quiet this game

; so much so that I have absolutely no idea of your personality thus sofar. Even metaing you didn't produce much beyond a bunch of stuff about minecraft in the unrelated topics (although I admittedly didn't look exceptionally far). Like I said with singer,

if you could actually show me a game where you have been scum or town I would appreciate it greatly

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For the past 2 days your justifications have all been "what Uite said" or "What singer said" or just endless drool about what OTHERS have said without voicing valid reasoning on a personal level. This fence-sitting is unacceptable and I expect an explanation (and also the meta if you will).

I have already given you all the three newbie games in which I have played - try not to skim when you call me out on not posting. You say I have been relatively quiet and yet you missed my post in this game where I already provided links to all the newbie games I have played? This is the second time in the game where I have noticed that you have 'skimmed' the game and failed to miss information. Like I said before I know lazy town skim as well but I find scum skim more often

And the only time I recall parroting anyone in this game was my ISO-46 where I agreed with Uite, then backed it up with my own thoughts of a Llama lynch in ISO-47.

This game has gotten stale lately, I have been looking for hints of who may be scum, I have been dead wrong this entire game and am getting paranoid. I am almost 100% sure King is town, which leaves me with a 2/3 chance of hitting scum even with a random vote. If game activity doesn't pick up I may just flip a coin.


From ISO-20 where I mentioned my previous games since you seem to have missed it.

@Llama - Well sir, you are in luck.

Out of the three completed newbie games I have played on this site - two of them had me as scum.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14984 (replaced into)

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14700 (from start)

And one as town

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14792 (replaced into)

Feel free to meta me in those games if it will set your mind at ease

[MirrorIrorriM]

When I was talking about your posting inactivity, I was talking about the end of D1 and all of D2. It was a ploy to do damage and then lay low to avoid suspicion.

You "backing up a Llama lynch" was pathetic. It was merely tons of quotes with a comment interjected here and there. Like I said before, you were just giving enough of a case to look like you support the cause without actually having any hard evidence to back it. You got sloppy after the first day when DP died and then decided to take a lurking stance. You pushed the vote here and there and touched sensitive topics to arouse anger.

Your whole coin flip idea better not be serious. We have weeks left to go and a speed lynch at this point would more then likely kill town. To quote you :

Deadline isn't for awhile yet, your "I wanna lynch someone before deadline" is quite suspicious. Luna will be replaced before deadline hits or he will get back here and start posting.

Metaing provided contradicting evidence against you. Whereas your town game you were very outspoken and the first scum game listed you were lurking like you are now, the second scum game has you extremely active at parts which contradicts the first set of evidence. Because your meta offers more of a null read I will remain to go on the attitude and evidence of this game.

[tanstalas]

Town game I also replaced into the game halfway - or more than halfway so not a really good read, I can provide you with more games where I was town and scum, however they are not newbie games and setups were different.

[KingTwelveSixteen]

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This is the second time in the game where I have noticed that you have 'skimmed' the game and failed to miss information.
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Confusing double negative here, you meant to say he had missed information or failed to find it, right?

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This game has gotten stale lately, I have been looking for hints of who may be scum, I have been dead wrong this entire game and am getting paranoid. I am almost 100% sure King is town, which leaves me with a 2/3 chance of hitting scum even with a random vote. If game activity doesn't pick up I may just flip a coin.
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Please don't do this, choose whoever you find most suspicious, not who the

coin

thinks is most suspicious.

Also wait till we have like 1 or 2 day(s) left.

[singersigner]

@Singer :

1.

During the DP/Uite phase of day 1 you often would aimlessly switch between them depended on popular opinion at the time.

2.

And metaing you turned up some inconsistent attitude between other games and this. In this game you tend to be far less vocal then in others, having a more lurkey attitude then in others.

3.

Although this isn't the fence sitting Tanstalas is pulling off, this is the "no info but it is a long post so it looks good" kinda lurking.

4.

I didn't find a completed game meta with you scum however. If you would please direct me to one I would be quite pleased.

1. I really didn't. The only time I considered changing my vote was when DP made his questionable vote toward the end. I had also mentioned that I would switch my vote to DP in order to prevent a no-lynch. To say I aimlessly switched between the two is a blatant misrepresentation.

2. Is being less vocal indicative of scum to you? If you'll notice, my activity level is inconsistent from game to game depending on who I play with. Some players require more focus than others. Could you point me to which games you're referring to?

3. I legitimately don't understand this part.

4. Glady. Note my partner, Thor, was quite the vocal scum.

This is good, though. I started my "who's scum" notes upon entering the game, but I forgot to ever post it until some time D2. But it gives everyone something to respond to, and helps weed out the scummy responses from the more genuine ones. And I can definitely agree with you on one thing: KTS is town. I've thought so from the second I started reading up on this game, haha.

[singersigner]

Teaching moments:

@ Concission : Didn't see the need.

My first target was KingTwelveSixteen and my second was also KingTwelveSixteen. I was so certain he was going to be night killed but I guess mafia predicted that?

1. It's protocol for power roles to claim their targets, or breadcrumb, depending on the context of the claim. This helps substantiate the claim. It also prevents scum from fake-claiming together during something like a mass-claim that we've done here, and taking time to make up targets after everyone's claimed. If that makes any sense at all...

2. Yeah, WIFOM's a bitch. Even though you didn't choose a correct target to prove your claim, I'm inclined to believe it anyway.

Strange answer. Do you imply that the mafia knows there is a doctor in the game and act pre-emptively?

Strange response. If you look at the F-11 set-up of the Newbie games, there are four options. There's a 50/50 chance that you'll get a doctor in a game, so the mafia can choose to use that information as they wish. It's also common for mafia to target better players, or players that have been dubbed super-ultron townie by the rest of town. It gets rid of players who are 1. good enough to catch them, and 2. not viable mislynch targets during the day.

[singersigner]

Eeks, sorry for the triple posting, but I forgot to

Fos: Consission

in that last post. Now that Uite's flipped town, I'm gunna go back and look at where he was going with Pine...

[MirrorIrorriM]

Could you point me to which games you're referring to?

I think newbie 1048 was one of them. I didn't really open any specific games, I just looked at most of your posts in general.

3. I legitimately don't understand this part.

I'm saying you could be writing a bunch of senseless stuff that doesn't convey information to seem active when really your lurking. You know if I were to just keep saying the same thing repeatedly or copy someone else's posts but word them differently; it wouldn't convey information, but it WOULD give the appearance of being active.

2 FOSes for Concission and 1 for Tanstalas. Before I get the wrong interpretation, do FOSes count like unofficial votes? Like you WOULD vote this person but something (LyLo in this case) is preventing you?

Don't have time to read your meta because of school n'stuff. Be back later.

[tanstalas]

2 FOSes for Concission and 1 for Tanstalas. Before I get the wrong interpretation, do FOSes count like unofficial votes? Like you WOULD vote this person but something (LyLo in this case) is preventing you?

Yes. If a townie gets a vote put on them by another townie the 2 remaining scum can jump on and vote right away

[KingTwelveSixteen]

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I'm saying you could be writing a bunch of senseless stuff that doesn't convey information to seem active when really your lurking. You know if I were to just keep saying the same thing repeatedly or copy someone else's posts but word them differently; it wouldn't convey information, but it WOULD give the appearance of being active.
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That sounds similiar to what you were doing day 1...

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2 FOSes for Concission and 1 for Tanstalas. Before I get the wrong interpretation, do FOSes count like unofficial votes? Like you WOULD vote this person but something (LyLo in this case) is preventing you?

Don't have time to read your meta because of school n'stuff. Be back later.

Mine are not meant to be unofficial votes, I will say so when I would be willing to vote for someone, incidentally:

FOS: MirrorIrorriM

[tanstalas]

I'm pretty sure King is town. I know I am town. I am almost sure than Concession and Mirror are probably scum

My gut is telling me if one of them is scum the other is.

*rolls the dice*

Vote: Mirror

[singersigner]

Could you point me to which games you're referring to?

I think newbie 1048 was one of them. I didn't really open any specific games, I just looked at most of your posts in general.

It's unfortunate that you looked at that game in particular, since it's ongoing and shouldn't be talked about. I'm interested to see what you have to say about the game I sent you. Please don't judge. lol.

2 FOSes for Concission and 1 for Tanstalas. Before I get the wrong interpretation, do FOSes count like unofficial votes? Like you WOULD vote this person but something (LyLo in this case) is preventing you?

That's kind of like it? FoSes are definitely more lax, though, since I wouldn't be voting for Consission just yet. I'm just letting him know that he hasn't settled well with me.

Tans, I'm gunna pretend you didn't just do that. You can take that back now. There's still time.

Though Consission's absence is telling...

[tanstalas]

Tans, I'm gunna pretend you didn't just do that. You can take that back now. There's still time.

Nope - Gonna leave it. if he is scum he won't get voted, you have already had the chance to vote and you didn't which makes me think you are town as well, like I said I am pretty sure King is town, so I think I finally got it right. Mirror and Concission scum. yup