Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[WrathChild]

So far it appears our top candidates are:
-Diddin
-Parama
-Saint
-Bunny Lover
-Pops
-WrathChild

This is all I got so far, it gets a bit convoluted the further back you go. I'll start off looking at these before officially making my vig vote.

[WrathChild]

Let's start with Diddin:

Vigging Him:

-Eliminate Bus Driver Ability
-We know TMH passed BDA to Diddin, so if Diddin flips Scum we KNOW TMH is town.
-Accountability for D1 shooting and the narrowing of choices for that shot. If he flips scum, we can reasonably conclude my alignment since he would only shoot me or Helghast and seriously consider why he refused to shot EC/Nmhammen.

[WrathChild]

The optimal plan of action is to vig diddin and then lynch TMH if diddin flips town.

I just realized something. Parama is forcing false chain lynches,

IF Diddin flips town, it does NOT mean TMH is scum.

The only way we learn from Diddin's flip is if he flips scum. That means TMH is NOT scum.

Town can pass to town OR scum, but scum can only pass to town.

UNVOTE, VOTE: Parama

[popsofctown]

Parama is ridiculously overconfident with his reads right now. I don't think he was trying to force false logic.

[Nero Cain]

IF Diddin flips town, it does NOT mean TMH is scum.

Obv buddy is obv

[themanhimself]

I would most support diddin or parama. Getting rid of diddin means losing an anti-town ability and getting rid of parama means losing an anti-town player.

[WrathChild]

Parama:

Vigging Him:

-Rids the town of a player that does not put forth real effort and mudslings non-stop
-See above. Misreps ability passing and promotes chain lynches.
-He's suicidal.
-He gives reads with no reasoning behind them.

[WrathChild]

Parama is ridiculously overconfident with his reads right now. I don't think he was trying to force false logic.

I agree on the confidence part, but I have the feeling his false logic = chain lynch on false pretenses, which = scummy.

[WrathChild]

Also,
FoS: Pops for trying to blow that off.

[Parama]

IF Diddin flips town, it does NOT mean TMH is scum.

Obv buddy is obv

[curiouskarmadog]

my treestumped ass votes for Para or Bunny to be vigged.

then i think that (whoever from above is not vigged) or TMH should be lynched.

whoever from above not vigged or lynched, I will tree stump as the town wishes.

[quadz08]

Spoiler: TMH/diddin ISOs

diddin’s ISO:
1- His vote on WC for the unvote without a revote, which begins suspicion of diddin
3- claim of dayvig: immediate ask for validation on shooting WC
4- He does it again, this time on pops. Slightly better explanation on this one, though I still don’t really see it as a scumtell.
5- further explanation of unvote/revote thing, prompted by my question
6- explicit statement of using vig as second lynch
15- votes AntB; reasoning addressed earlier
16- goes back to WC after AntB’s modkill, mentioning Lat’s case, his old case, and recent lurking
17- says he’ll shoot WC if more people agree on the shot
19- doesn’t understand case on EC
20- states that WC is a better lynch candidate, and says Helghast is vigbait (not actually sure if this means that he wants to vig helghast and lynch WC, or shoot WC because Helghast is an easy misvig)
21- I think this clarifies my earlier question; he wants to vig Helghast and lynch WC. This is a change of pace, but understandable; Helghast posted relatively frequently in this chunk of the game, and the conversation switched to him as well. No longer out of sight, out of mind, perhaps?
22- refuses to shoot EC
27- says he wishes he could shoot both WC and Helghast
29- refuses to shoot anyone other than WC or Helghast to avoid additional claims
30- responds to WC’s question about not shooting EC; says he doesn’t want more claims (which is odd, because that wasn’t mentioned when he originally said he wouldn’t shoot EC…)
32- says he’ll vig Helghast because it gives more connections than a vig on WC
33- daykills helghast; says he wanted to wait until as close to deadline as possible
34- [quote=diddin] How many times did we agree I was shooting people with a lot of votes (hint: not EC)? How many times did I say I didn't want someone else to claim and potentially out a stronger power role?[/quote] Also votes me for the reasoning for my powerrox vote
36- says EC had less votes for vigging at the time he said he wouldn’t vote him (this is later proven incorrect by somebody I don’t remember)
37- returns to previous EC reasoning after being called out on the votes thing
39- votes powerrox; explains why powerrox, not tmh (says tmh has been fairly pro-town outside of suggesting a no-lynch)
40- D2! Says TMH is scum after vig-steal fiasco, claims TMH’s busdriver, votes TMH
42- votes me based on my vote of powerrox, calls me confirmed scum; FoS on Bunny for FoS w/out vote on TMH
45- says Bunny is scum after VT/rolepassing deal
49- passes virus to Bunny
51- calls out RC on tunneling him; says he hasn’t mentioned tmh’s alignment all day (good catch; I’ll check that one out)
54- passes virus to Darla (after a single previous mention of her, during D1, about a singular post)
55- says virus PM says ability is non-standard; calls TMH out for smearing him

TMH’s ISO:
1- Votes pops for seeming paranoid (feeling strawmanned when no one says he’s scummy)
3- Says he gets a nullread from Parama after muh’s death
4- votes EC for calling Parama scummy due to muh’s death
5- says he’s null on diddin; advises waiting to kill him until the vig has been passed
7- votes Implosion to see if he’s telling the truth about the stump; still null on Parama; doesn’t trust diddin with vig; null on WC; says Saint is “over the top” but decides to keep it on the back burner (just… a loooooot of nullreads / fencesitting here)
9- withdraws case for experimental lynch on Implosion, but doesn’t remove vote
12- unvotes implosion after a reminder from q21
14- agrees with Ant’s concern about Saint’s sudden vote for Ant
16- agrees on WC shot (after mentioning nullread) because it will “give us some more info to go off of either way”
17- further explanation on WC vig: not helpful or contributing, though scumminess is debatable
20- doesn’t see Helghast as scum at all; says Lat gives him a weird vibe; not sure about WC lynch, though he’s for a vig
21- votes EC based on previous reasoning (though he hasn’t been mentioned since #4); doesn’t like Saint-to-diddin communication, as it looks like coaching
23- says he’s good for vig on either pops or ckd, though he feels pops is a better shot due to his reasoning in iso #1 (which is pretty lame…)
24- vigvotes helghast, WC, and EC (after not finding Helghast scummy at all)
26- says he realizes he switched his stance on Helghast; sees WC as a newb
27- asks why diddin is procrastinating on the kill
30- suggests no lynch due to 3 townie deaths
31- doesn’t understand powerrox wagon
34- iso of powerrox
36- top 3 suspects (requested by Lat): Saint (jumping/not doing anything worthwhile), diddin (waiting to kill & not considering some people), pops (posting a lot without contributing) (interesting thought on pops; not sure I agree. I remember pops being pretty helpful, myself)
39- says he’s neutral on no lynch decision; changes vote to Saint
41- says his mind has been changed on powerrox; his logic is… questionable
42- diddin is ‘full of scum’
43- says he sees self-preservation as pro-town, and if someone protects you, it should make them appear more townie (seems to be just a playstyle thing)
58- D2: Asks who has virus; says he has reason to believe it came back (not sure if he was referring to having the vig)
60- Says he redirected the dayvig ability to himself
61- gives (bad) reasoning for taking ability; says he will vig based on pure majority vote
62- said he sent the redirector (anti-town) to a scummy player
64- FoS on WC for asking about bomb & virus (not sure if this is really a scumtell)
68- says he passed virus to diddin
76- says he most supports the vig of diddin or Parama

So... after those ISOs (which took much longer than I intended. Dammit, school) I’m thinking that TMH is scummier than diddin. diddin has been considerably townier on D2 than he was at the beginning of the game. TMH, on the other hand, has gotten scummier and scummier and scummier as the game goes on. The steal of the dayvig is just so anti-town I can’t even believe it. Then, he sent the busdriving ability to a scumread, which is almost as bad.
Something that’s bugging me, though, is everyone’s insistence that only one of them can be scum. That’s NOT TRUE. Very simple. Not true. They can absolutely both be scum, just on different scumgroups.

ALSO: I passed my power to MoI last night. Sorry it took so long for me to say so.

I’m really not liking Saint’s recent posts…

IAI vs. pops comes across as town vs. town to me.

Bunny is being dumb about the protect/pass thing with Darla… *sigh*

TMH: shoot diddin, Parama, Nero, or Saint. Those are my votes.

Also: TMH AND DIDDIN WILL NOT BE CONFIRMED BY KILLING THE OTHER ONE. SERIOUSLY. STOP SAYING THAT.

[themanhimself]

Mod: Could I request a vote count please?

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 2x5 ::

LynchMePls (0) -

RedCoyote (0) -

themanhimself (1) -

Parama

Lateralus22 (0) -

WrathChild (2) -

nhammen, Nero Cain

curiouskarmadog (0) -

quadz08 (1) -

diddin

Nero Cain (0) -

q21 (0) -

diddin (2) -

quadz08, RedCoyote

popsofctown (0) -

Bunnylover (2) -

Saint, I Am Innocent

I Am Innocent (0) -

StrangerCoug (0) -

Parama (3) -

themanhimself, Bunnylover, WrathChild

Implosion (0) -

nhammen (0) -

Saint (0) -

Not Voting (7) -

curiouskarmadog, LynchMePls, implosion, popsofctown, Lateralus22, StrangerCoug, q21

With 18 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Tuesday February 1st, 2011 5:00pm EST.

[diddin]

What everybody else said. My town flip does NOT confirm tmh as scum. So were back to the same situation, just with an extra mislynch.

I find people who want a day to keep the dayvig ability alive but don't want to wait a day to pass off the busdriver ability to a more worthy lynch candidate hypocritical.

I want tmh to shoot bunny quadz or RC. We don't lynch tmh today. Why? Because if he's scum he's forced to pass his ability to town tomorrow, giving us +1 confirmed town.

[I Am Innocent]

ALSO: I passed my power to MoI last night. Sorry it took so long for me to say so.

Anyone else pass a power to MOI or Chkflp?

TMH: shoot diddin, Parama, Nero, or Saint. Those are my votes.

These are your top 4 suspects (not named TMH)?

4 town reads for me...

[quadz08]

Are you saying "more worthy lynch candidate" from your perspective, or theirs? Give me an example of what exactly you're referring to, please.

[implosion]

I'd vote RC to be vigged, or possibly ckd. As I think more about it, diddin is a plausibly decent target since he has the busdrive, but I don't like that he can only be mafia if tmh is town.

[I Am Innocent]

Are you saying "more worthy lynch candidate" from your perspective, or theirs? Give me an example of what exactly you're referring to, please.

I am saying all four people you want to see vigged are town reads for me. Not one scummy player like bunnylover or Wrath Child, who hammered Powerox very shortly after he claimed a role (who was the competing lynch again....oh yeah, TMH)? Or how about Pops, who gave the green light to bunnylover / wrath child instead of discussing pros / cons for keeping the role in the game. These are a couple to name a few.

Are these town reads for you?

[StrangerCoug]

Still sick; just popping in with what I think.

I'm in favor of vigging themanhimself, Saint, and to some extent Parama. TMH and Saint I've already explained why I think of scummy; Parama has made it clear he refuses to contribute.

[Parama]

People yelled at me when I posted content... I see no reason to actually TRY if that's the case.

[StrangerCoug]

Then replace out. You are being useless.

[WrathChild]

IF Diddin flips town, it does NOT mean TMH is scum.

Obv buddy is obv

Do you guys even read the rules?

Do I need to clarify again why the above statement is true?

[themanhimself]

Isn't it obvious to see why it isn't true? You're giving us a false dilemma, either did din is scum or I am when that's clearly not the case. If we're both town then you're setting up two consecutive mislynches. I think diddin is scum but if I'm wrong then you're trying to kill two townies with one stone. It's brilliant because one flipping town incriminates the other as scum so one mislynch automatically buys two. Very clever. VOTE: Wrathchild

[diddin]

WrathChild is agreeing with what Parama said, you strange, silly person.