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[Hoopla]

Fenchurch/Empking aren't scum together.
Fenchurch/Fritzler aren't scum together
Empking/Fritzler aren't scum together.

All three of these were a given.

I'm pretty sure this wasn't obvious at all - if it was, there is NO CHANCE you'd be voting for CA up until the start of this page. You're either lying to try and discredit my points by suggesting they were obvious, or you have zero concept of playing percentages if you thought CA was the best lynch given those three eliminations.

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Seriously Hoopla. Who's scum with Ald? Its not me, you, Stef, Fritz, Ald, Fenchurch. So if we rule out Andrew. That leaves...?

Preview: I have never thought CA was the best lynch. But let's look at the reasonable scum pairs.

Hoopla - CA
Hoopla - Ald
CA - Ald.

CA is in 2/3 of the possible pairings (the same as every other possible scum!)

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

You'll note that your three non-pairings do not contradict a single one of those pairing.

Also just so I'm clear. Those pairings were for the beginning of page 11, now only pairing number one is reasonable.

[Hoopla]

Seriously Hoopla. Who's scum with Ald? Its not me, you, Stef, Fritz, Ald, Fenchurch. So if we rule out Andrew. That leaves...?

What the hell? When did I rule out

anyone

with Alduskkel? The only pairs I ruled out were Empking/Fritz, Fenchurch/Fritz, Fenchurch/Empking. Any of you three could be scum with Alduskkel (or Andrew) from my perspective - I just don't think you are scum with each other. This is the

entire

reason why I am voting for Alduskkel - because he fits into more possible scumteams than any other player (except Andrew, but Andrew is individually less scummy).

Wait, do you really think I cleared you, Fen and Fritz completely?

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Hoopla: I don't appreciate that post at all.

Last page you were going

There's a strong disincentive to bus in this game, particularly on Day 1,

and making big posts about it. Now suddenly you're going "Fritz and Fenchurch could be bussing Alduskel" (not an exact quote).

Hoopla; Is scum. Called it before the game even begun.

[Hoopla]

Just to get this on the record, you think Alduskkel is town then?

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Just to get this on the record, you think Alduskkel is town then?

Its impossible for him not to be.

[Hoopla]

Just to get this on the record, you think Alduskkel is town then?

Its impossible for him not to be.

Confirmed: Stef
Almost Certain: Andrew, Fenchurch

Probably (though I'd still lynch him at deadline): Ald

So, what changed your mind since this post? I haven't seen you declare anything about Alduskkel being town. If it were that obvious, it seems like the sort of thing you'd speak up about earlier.

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Just to remind you:

You'll note that your three non-pairings do not contradict a single one of those pairing.

Also just so I'm clear. Those pairings were for the beginning of page 11, now only pairing number one is reasonable.

Alduskel is clearly not scum with you. There goes one pairing. Alduskel is clearly not scum with CA. There goes the last pairing. If there is nobody he can be scum with then he's clearly not scum. (He's clearly not scum with those two because of this last minute wagon.)

[Hoopla]

You are quickly shaping up as a very obvious buddy. Andrew is always a possible partner too.

The way you've defended Alduskkel with such vigour makes me think Alduskkel must be the Roleblocker and you're the goon. I hope this is as obvious to everyone else watching as it is to me.

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Hoop; Are you saying that only players who can (reasonbly) be scum buddies with Ald are myself and Andrew?

[Hoopla]

Hoop; Are you saying that only players who can (reasonbly) be scum buddies with Ald are myself and Andrew?

It is starting to look this way now, yes.

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Hoop; Are you saying that only players who can (reasonbly) be scum buddies with Ald are myself and Andrew?

It is starting to look this way now, yes.

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Hoop; Are you saying that only players who can (reasonbly) be scum buddies with Ald are myself and Andrew?

It is starting to look this way now, yes.

1. So odds wise, CA is just as good a bet as Alduskel?

2. Since we agree that Andrew is town can you accept that from my POV that Alduskel must be town.
3. If you agree with two isn't it logical that as town I'd try to defend him?
4. Isn't it therefore a case of scum throwing muck at a player in order to get a townie lynched rather than good hearted scum hunting?

5. Alduskel flips town. Who are the scum? (I want both of them).

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

Unvote

Vote: CA

Deadline is coming up.

[Fritzler]

Does CA = Fritz? I think so? I am confused. DMG keeps going back and forth between Fritz and CA.

[andrew94]

my points are ---> apparently you have been saying that dmg is playing the 'newb' card early with poor english etc. but he is empking after all (who is pro right?)
so yea.

i also really think CA slot is scum, the person who replaced in hasnt done much but place alduskel in L1.

whens the deadline?

[Fritzler]

Mod - Can we modkill everyone who refers to me as CA?

[andrew94]

i said 'CA slot'

[Hoopla]

1. So odds wise, CA is just as good a bet as Alduskel?

2. Since we agree that Andrew is town can you accept that from my POV that Alduskel must be town.
3. If you agree with two isn't it logical that as town I'd try to defend him?
4. Isn't it therefore a case of scum throwing muck at a player in order to get a townie lynched rather than good hearted scum hunting?

5. Alduskel flips town. Who are the scum? (I want both of them).

1. Possibly now, but until Alduskkel wasn't put on L-1, he had greater odds of being scum. It seems a little backwards to hop off a wagon once it gets to L-1 based purely on them now being assumed to be involved in less partnerships. I think the logic fizzles out once this is being used as a known tell - players weren't considering the consequence of their L-2 and L-1 votes so much earlier in the game, so they're generally more telling and more reliable to use. Here, less so.

2. I can accept that - but if Alduskkel flips scum, you're in a lot of trouble.

3. It is logical for you to do so as town, and if Alduskkel is town, then I'd be inclined to believe you are town because of it. It is also logical for you to defend him as scum if he is scum. So, I think Alduskkel's alignment is important in determining yours.

4. I don't understand this question.

5. Andrew and one of Fenchurch/Fritz, with Fritz being a whole lot likelier. Fenchurch's early argument with Andrew really would be hard to swallow as scum-on-scum.

[Hoopla]

Andrew, what do you think of Alduskkel? Would you be willing to hammer?

[BlakAdder]

Votecount

Alduskkel (3): Hoopla, Fenchurch, Fritzler

Fritzler (2): Andrew94, Da_Mafia_Godfather
Da_Mafia_Godfather (1): Stefunny
Nobody (1): Alduskkel
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

As a kindness, I'll extend the deadline to midnight American Central Time.

[Stefunny]

Alduskkel never posted on Saturday. I'd like to hear from him today hopefully before deadline.

Hoopla, I am under the impression that trying to prove a point to DMG just doesn't work. I think Hoopla is doing some serious scum hunting and your cases are too well thought out to be scum. At this moment I am going to call Hoopla town.

I actually agree with Fritz, personally I'd rather play as scum or a pr, and I don't think I'd abandon a slot that was scum. I understand that maybe he felt he was in a hole he couldn't dig himself out of, but if he had been scum I think he would have tried harder to post when we first started acknowledging his absence. This doesn't clear Fritz, as he hasn't really done anything to fill the slot.
I think andrew is just a hard player to read honestly. I've played one game with him and I don't get an overly strong feeling either way on him.
I would be willing to hammer Ald if he doesn't come back with a decent defense. Mostly because I think at this point a lynch will give us a better perspective on some of the players regardless of how he flips. If Ald does flip town then personally I think it rules out DMG and Hoopla (even more so). But I think it's more likely he'll flip scum.

[Fritzler]

Guys who are suspect about me putting a guy at lynch minus one, we are not no lynching on day one. That is the stupidest thing ever.

[Stefunny]

Also, due to the slow play, I'm placing a deadline. The Day will end at midnight on Saturday.
Also also, as I forgot to put it into the rules,

if the day ends due to deadline, whoever has the largest number of votes wins.

If there is a tie for largest number of votes, whoever had that number of votes first will be lynched.

You are correct, we are not no lynching day 1. Regardless of whether or not I hammer Ald is done for at the end of the day, He needs to get on and post.