ender241 wrote:Because i don't have a reason to vote Darla, i'm just saying if it comes to it i won't mind if it's a sacrifice needed to be took.
Yes, I did. I answered you in my post which came before the big phone-gate fiasco. I can go and quote it if you need me to.rekirtS wrote:Darla you never answered my question you claimed that one or two mafia are probably on the Ender train any clue on who they could be?
I am not trying to scare Ender out of his vote. He can vote me if he wants, and FOS if me if his wants. That wont have any affect on my read of him. I would/will vote him if he continues to be more and more blatantly scummy outside of his newbie meta, and I was letting him know that while I had been letting it slip in a sense due to our previous game, I was not going to continue to do so if he kept being such a sheep.DLG wrote:For my part, it comes down to several things in combination.Yosarian2 wrote:Can someone who's on the wagon explain why you're voting for her again?
Plausible deniability posting in regards both Final Fires and ender241This was her final stance on the Final Fires early game wagon. The last part is the problem. It allows her to move either way without fear of contradicting herself. And, she can point back at this post to support whichever move is convenient.DarlaBlueEyes [i]re: Final Fires[/i] wrote:With his explanation I think I was wrong in my initial impression and Fires really is just a n00b who made a bad move, but I really see no reason to lynch him over it.Keep him on my scumdar? Yes. Lynch right away, no.This was her initial stance towards ender241. She has vacillated between a progressively scummier read on ender241 and not voting due to her recent experience in another game with ender241. Same problems here as with what she did with Final Fires.DarlaBlueEyes [i]re: ender241[/i] wrote:Knowing what I do about Ender's META coupled with what he's done so far here, I'd say he's suffering from uber-n00b syndrome even still. That or he really just is not good at this game. Either way, I was a bit unsure whether or not to take his actions as noob or super scummy and then he re-voted seemingly only out of pressure. Now I lean more towards scum.
FoS Ender.
I consider this as much more indicative of scum thinking than cautious town thinking.
Strong-arm play against ender241Aside from the bare fact of manipulating ender241 puposefully, I find the fact that DarlaBlueEyes did this for the specific purpose of scaring ender241 away from voting her to be scummy.DLG wrote:How can he OMGUSsing you if you didn't vote him and in fact were leaning more town in your read of him? That reads like a false attack to try to make ender241 look scummier to everyone else.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:@ender is that an OMGUS I see? I think it is. If you read what I said I wasn't calling you scum I said I was leaning towards scummy more than noob town after I saw you revote out of pressure. I still was not convinced enough to vote you however. It's a contextual thing, maybe I should have made that more clear. However the more you do these obvscum things, the less I feel like I can validate my lack of a vote on you based solely on meta.keep it up and I will vote you meta or not.DLG bolding
At the end, is trying to scare someone as demonstrably weak-willed as ender241 the act of a townie, or the act of a scum using fear as a weapon? I read it as the latter.
These have already been covered in the thread. Below is something that I find scummy that has not been covered.
Grasping at straws to shift the wagon off her onto someone elseNikanor has not provided anything real to agree with. This struck me as a desperate attempt to find someone, anyone to help build an alternative wagon.DarlaBluEyes wrote:Alright. As per your(Nikanor's)point I did an ISO of him(rekirtS).
In combination, these points add up to a strong scum read for me.
andbobsnox wrote:I like how DLG is thinking
Both of which are pretty much exactly what DLG said. His posting style seems to take a much more aggressive tone once Darla pointed suspicion towards striker and whiskey (potential chainsaw defense? It wasn't that dramatic, but there definitely was a slight change in the attitude of his posts). He is someone we should keep an eye on, but right now I kind of think it's more just his meta than anything else.bobsnox wrote: DLG summed up my thoughts on Darla - "grasping at straws." She's also, as has been pointed out before, covering herself as she comments on her suspects.
I agree that bob looks really scummy if you assume that you are town. Since I do not hold that assumption, I do not feel that bobsnox is very scummy. However, if it so happens that you are town, then bob is extremely scummy. I've already said that. I feel bad repeating myself.Darla wrote:So far my biggest suspect is Bobsnox, who on review of most of his posts/iso as been a total sheep and hostile when his actions are questioned. This screams scum to me and one that can easilly slip under the radar with the Fires/Ender blunders and me, apparently. Looking back over it he gives me the most uneasy vibes of anyone, and if you look at his ISO you'll see why. I also have an uneasy read on Whiskey but he's actually scum hunting which is much more beneficial to town than what Bob has been doing.
No content - no original thought - hostility when questioned - expecting everyone to just accept his actions or shut up.
vote Bobsnox
My thoughts exactly.Final Fires wrote:Darla, this is the 3rd time you've changed your vote since page 4. Comparing this to the start, where you played very cautiously, and were unwilling to even place a (serious) vote, you're play style really seems to be changing. You spent a lot of time ISO'ing Striker and Whiskey, and then out of nowhere you vote Bob? I understand that you said you were going to do more ISO's, but still, that seems really strange to me.
I didn't notice that, *goes back to check out bobsnox*.Final Fires wrote:Both of which are pretty much exactly what DLG said. His posting style seems to take a much more aggressive tone once Darla pointed suspicion towards striker and whiskey (potential chainsaw defense? It wasn't that dramatic, but there definitely was a slight change in the attitude of his posts). He is someone we should keep an eye on, but right now I kind of think it's more just his meta than anything else.
And then just eight hours later says this:Bobsnox wrote:Darla and ender still strike me as scummy.
That's pathetic.Bobsnox wrote:Darla and Final Fires are scumbuddies. Calling it.
so you're wasting your time pointing out a pathetic townie?bub wrote:I agree that bob looks really scummy if you assume that you are town. Since I do not hold that assumption, I do not feel that bobsnox is very scummy.
Welcome to the game.flinter wrote:And I notice my post is starting to get too long
Evidently, she won't. You absolutely need to input something.Pomegranate wrote:She will be posting on Saturday night.
Any thoughts on rekirtS if that scenario comes to pass?Bub Bidderskins wrote:If we lynch DBE and she flips town, bobsnox and whisky should be suspects number one and two.
Bub Bidderskins wrote:That leaves only one thing left to do, and I apologize in advance for this out of game outburst, but I just have to do it...
GO PACKERS!!!
1. How have I been grasping at straws? If you were town you would be explaining your arguments, because it would benefit the whole town. Same thing when you simply said "I think darla and final are scum buddies". Do you have any reasons or proof, or do you just think that? It's beneficial to everyone if you point out what you know, and just making statements without backing them up seems very anti-town to me.bobsnox wrote:add Final Fires to the grasping at straws group
how the heck does FF know my meta? I've played 2 games here and none with him.
I love the OMGUS votes I'm engendering as well. give scum an easy target and watch how fast they flock to the fresh blood.
my vote is confirmed
Looking back on Striker's posts, it looks like every single one was made with the intention of building up the Darla bandwagon. If she flips innocent I'd say he's a top suspect too.DLG wrote:Any thoughts on rekirtS if that scenario comes to pass?Bub Bidderskins wrote:If we lynch DBE and she flips town, bobsnox and whisky should be suspects number one and two.
This post confused me a lot, and I agree with Yos that it would help a lot if we knew where your intentions were coming from. I have a feeling though that they might be pro-town though; that really doesn't seem like something scum would say. I can kind of relate to this because I made a very similar mistake early on when I felt like a lynch against me was inevitable:ender241 wrote:Am i right in thinking Darla is the next suspect of kill if i'm killed? If you all think Darla's mafia feel free to take me out to give proof to everyone else about Darla.
For nowFinal Fires wrote:If you have to lynch me tonight then fine, but afterwards maybe you'll take my accusations seriously.
bobsnox wrote:add Final Fires to the grasping at straws group
how the heck does FF know my meta? I've played 2 games here and none with him.
I love the OMGUS votes I'm engendering as well. give scum an easy target and watch how fast they flock to the fresh blood.
my vote is confirmed
Bub Bidderskins wrote:Okay, I did a quick iso of bobsnox, and I found out that you would have to go at a snail's pase for an iso of him to be anything but quick. Of the 11 posts he made other than his confirm and random vote, only four contain enough content to fill up more than one line (content being defined generously here). One thing that struck me as really scummy was that he said this
And then just eight hours later says this:Bobsnox wrote:Darla and ender still strike me as scummy.
That's pathetic.Bobsnox wrote:Darla and Final Fires are scumbuddies. Calling it.
bobsnox wrote:but I'm not scum?so you're wasting your time pointing out a pathetic townie?bub wrote:I agree that bob looks really scummy if you assume that you are town. Since I do not hold that assumption, I do not feel that bobsnox is very scummy.
are you not voting me because you know I'm not scum and you're waiting for a wagon on me to build so you can hop on it?
FoS bub bidderskins
Scum always work themselves up over contribution and content.
You think Darla is scum, I think Darla is scummy. Let's lynch Darla.
^ Grasping at strawsFinal Fires wrote:His posting style seems to take a much more aggressive tone once Darla pointed suspicion towards striker and whiskey (potential chainsaw defense? It wasn't that dramatic, but there definitely was a slight change in the attitude of his posts).
Oh look a straw man.Darla wrote:Bob accuses everyone coming after him of OMGUSing, and bud calls out his play and he immediately FoS's Bud.
You need a bullet tonight after we lynch Darla. That's scummy. Maybe you always give yourself a way out if the ship sinks, but that's scummy.Final Fires wrote:I may unvote depending on how bob defends himself.
Actually he said hebobsnox wrote:how the heck does FF know my meta? I've played 2 games here and none with him.
Useless question in terms of learning more about a player's opinions. What is the purpose then?bobsnox wrote:Is Final Fires your scumbuddy?
Another question that sounds more like a statement of condemnation. Obviously you wouldn't expect players to answer "Because I'm scum", so why do you ask these types of questions? I want to know if you know the town reason for doing this.bobsnox wrote:are you not voting me because you know I'm not scum and you're waiting for a wagon on me to build so you can hop on it?
Possibly accurate. Voting without giving a reason in the post is not scummy by itself. Not being the first one to point out a suspicion is not scummy either. I don't think you are using your playstyle in an opportunistic way. But with your playstyle the potential is always there.bobsnox wrote:Scum always work themselves up over contribution and content.
I don't see sheeping from him, but his willingness to push the first three large wagons (FF, ender, Darla) is something to think about moving forward. Would he disagree with a wagon that's not himself, would he react to the progression of a wagon he's already on like a normal townie would? Can't say yet.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:So far my biggest suspect is Bobsnox, who on review of most of his posts/iso as been a total sheep and hostile when his actions are questioned. This screams scum to me and one that can easilly slip under the radar with the Fires/Ender blunders and me, apparently.
How is this scummy scum? You sound really confident about it, like you don't think there could be a town explanation to act this way about suspects. Is that why you didn't ask a question here?StrikerekirtS wrote:Wait so you're only voting until you get an answer? For someone who initially hadn't voted yet on either of her two scummy vibes but shes voting because Whiskey missed a question?
Lynch this scummy scum.
Why can't she throw out comments like this?Striker backwards wrote:Like who? You can't just throw out comments like this! Who do you feel could be scum on his wagon? Maybe you were gonna give more if not on your phone but who do you feel is scummy on that wagon?
Well, fair enough, but I really hate that in the same post, you FOS him, and demand that he help you lynch Darla. Just makes it look like the FOS was more an attempt to manipulate and threaten him in order to keep him voting the way you wanted, rather then an honest suspicion.bobsnox wrote:Bub and I are on the same wagon already. Your chronology is wrong.Yosarian2 wrote:Man, bob just keeps looking worse and worse. "Please try to lynch me, I'll flip town", ugh. Also, the part where he first called bub scum, and then tried to get bub to join him on a wagon looks dishonest at best.
bobsnox wrote:"Don't lynch me! You'll be sorry!" Newb? Ok I can buy that. But someone to keep an eye on for sure.
By your own argument you're someone to keep an eye on.bobsnox wrote:Darla please try to lynch me. I will be happy when I flip town and you are on the top of the to-be-lynched list for tomorrow.
1. This is definately grasping at straws, which you label as something scummy.bobsnox wrote:You need a bullet tonight after we lynch Darla. That's scummy. Maybe you always give yourself a way out if the ship sinks, but that's scummy.Final Fires wrote:I may unvote depending on how bob defends himself.
