Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[KageLord]

@Color-claim-
Ok, one point that I've been unsure about sharing, my role suggests we may have a color cop of some sort (also possible it's a red herring or I'm over analysing my role).

I'm just going to partial claim this in case it helps; if we end up doing the mass full-claim I'll reveal more at that time:
-I started the game as one color with the one time ability to change to another color (permanently). From this, I'm guessing color matters as a game mechanic (initial guess is some kind of color cop). If we do have a color cop, they would find scum even without a mass color-claim.

From flavor, I could see other possible color changes...but some of those possibilities involve scum colors. If we're doing the mass color-claim, I can claim my starting color and the color I can switch to. I'd prefer holding off on my current color until a mass full claim, though that's a weak preference (it probably won't matter, but not immediate claiming may have benefits).

I'm wondering where this color cop has been then. He should at least be able to confirm some townies for us (though I suppose that's not the best thing at this point considering the number of kills per night). And with a bit of a stretch my role info might corroborate the possibility of a color cop.

@Andy's question: I'd rather go with NoPoint.

[Dekes]

It's not a blatant lie, at least from my POV. I know I’m not Yellow so your push to incriminate me as such even before xvart was revealed he was also Yellow could well be a case of your inside information accidently showing.

You surely didn't miss the conditional where I said that if xvart flips yellow there is a good chance you are yellow as well? Because your play on D3 was strinkingly similar to you play on D2. Can't be denied and seeing I wasn't the only one who caught it very much speaks for itself.
And regarding your statement that you would be a bad player if you chose not to bus your buddies into oblivion when they had a guilty on them: I personally do see the benefit of trying to prevent a lynch on your watcher and your ninja. And picking nipau as the counterwagon wasn't a bad idea at all since he's probably scum, too. But COMPLETELY ignoring the guilties on Katsuki while making a lot of effort proving nipau's claim wrong and the former ones both flipping yellow? No way you're not yellow.

@Andy
If what Kast is saying is true (supported by dana's statement) and we're not dealing with a 4-4-4-4-4-4-1 setup here, how will you be able to catch the black recruiter by color claim?

Also,

Vote: nopointinactingup

[Andrius]

@ MoI: Yes. Color you received, and colors you submited. No names right now.

Yes you did. lol

@ Kast: KK cannot be red. Because Guderian flipped Investigation Immune, and if KK were Red PR and Immune to Gunsmiths that'd be major hax. :S
Never mind, I keep thinking he's confirmed via Fate.

Colors matter, Kast. I take it you didn't change to scum, yes?
Kast, just claim your original color. But if it happens to be a scum color then we'll talk.

Yeah, I'm leaning nopoint as SK and as such, the better lynch candidate.

Re: Color Cop. I'm not claiming, but there is a reason why I'm asking for colors in relation to my own night actions. (And Blue Brother, since I'm sure he knows what I plan to do.)

@ Dekes: If this isn't 4:4 (which it probably isn't, but similar enough to) then Colors alone won't do the trick. But it will help me and similar Blues out immensely. It won't be hard: give me time to do a reread of badassery and then I look for certain things. D3 read will be hella' interesting for sure. AGAIN, MUCH ANGER AT TANNY FOR ENDING D3 PREMATURELY.

[tanstalas]

AGAIN, MUCH ANGER AT TANNY FOR ENDING D3 PREMATURELY.

dude, I asked if anyone minded if I hammered, many people posted and didn't say to wait, the only one who did was Xvart

I just wanted to hammer, I don't think I have ever gotten to hammer before, and I wanted my name listed in the flavor

Besides, the day went on for quite awhile after I hammered and there was much talk and discussion, so let go of your anger Andy, it is only going to cause kidney stones

Oh and to answer your question, I as well prefer a NPIAU lynch

[Andrius]

My mother had to have a kidney stone removed. They say it is the most painful human experience besides giving birth.

I kinda' figured you prefered his lynch, tbh.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I think the color claim has been established enough that I’ll get things rolling.

Blue Lantern Corp

. Initial choices Green and Blue. Shocker I know. I just wanted to be Hal Fucking Jordan or your character Andrius (yes, I hated you a little when I saw your crumb). But I did get the coolest Blue Lantern (even if he's not known for it) EVER so that is something.

Popcorn to AGM. Your fake-color claim please.

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I just wanted to mention, after reading Kast’s last post, that on the off chance NoPoint isn’t Agent Orange / Larfleeze that Kast is my number 2 with a bullet for that role. Read his ISO, on a gut level it says potential SK to me.

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Guess, that's why you haven't killed me yet, because you thought you could actually frame me because I caught you.

I just wanted to bring this little bit of Dekes and my earlier exchange into the spotlight to highlight the rhetoric that surrounds his arguments.

He’s guessing he hasn’t been Nightkilled (by me, but that’s beside the point) because he could be ‘framed’. Because if he was confirmed (or as near as you get) town like Stove or Andrius or a player with a dangerous reputation to scum (Kdub or Kast) he would have been left alive to be ‘framed’. This statement is pointless rhetoric on the level of NoPoint’s ‘I have to hide as I’m a total NK target’.

Because your play on D3 was strinkingly similar to you play on D2. Can't be denied and seeing I wasn't the only one who caught it very much speaks for itself.

For lack of a better phrase … so what? I pushed for my scum candidate based on my judgement rather than playing follow the Cop / Insert Nebulous PR here. Not hard to see. You’ve yet to explain, in a manner that shows any level of connection to me personally, how I would be defending a partner not once but two Days running. Especially when one partner would be specifically outing themselves in an effort to aid their cause. Because I can’t think you can, with any amount of honesty, say that Xvart’s master plan to improve Yellow’s chances by outing himself would make any sense if I WAS HIS OBV PARTNER DEFENDING HIM VIA PUSHING NOPOINT EVEN AFTER HE CLAIMED SCUM.

But COMPLETELY ignoring the guilties on Katsuki while making a lot of effort proving nipau's claim wrong and the former ones both flipping yellow? No way you're not yellow.

Ignoring what guilty? The one that was based on Reck dying not due to a NK but because he recruited scum when we were not missing a kill per what we knew? I’d be willing to wager (gasp, don’t tell the Easily Outraged!) that he died from another source and the recruitment was just icing on the cake. Once the game is over and Night actions are revealed we can see if I’m right.

No way I’m not Yellow? Luzl. Guarantee I’m not Yellow.

No way you’re not an Idiot.

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I cannot be lynched due to me being a Daxamite and thus invulnerable when the sun is out. If you attempt to lynch me it will result in a no-lynch and we will proceed to night.

You forget that we use lead lined rope. /joke off I couldn’t resist.

So let me get this straight … you are a Lynch-Immune Odd Night Vig? Having played in dana’s last Super-hero based game (where I was Longshot, the Bulletproof Unblockable Doc who always scanned Innocent … and I’m not kidding about that) I’m not going to rule out anything immediately. Two comments –

1. Why do you think Mods, in a game with SO many scum kills, would handicap Town in such a manner by making your Unlynchability such a handicap when it is triggered?
2. Why did you state the following, which I bolded, in your previous post right before this?

Dunno, something to keep in mind for if

I get lynched when I flip town

you can look back and see and ask why Andy was pushing my lynch so hard, especially his conflicting arguments of not speculating on setup then saying if it is 4:4:4:4:4:4:1 back to saying I am scum again when I am the only (4th) claimed Green without any CC

Pending that response I have one other observation -

dude, I asked if anyone minded if I hammered, many people posted and didn't say to wait, the only one who did was Xvart

I just wanted to hammer, I don't think I have ever gotten to hammer before, and I wanted my name listed in the flavor

1. Asking permission to hammer is scumtastic. It’s an advanced attempt to disavow responsibility.
2. Not ever having hammered before is among the dumbest reasons to hammer. Wanting your name listed in the Night Flavor is either childish, scummy, or both.

[Andrius]

Magna, I might prod a bit more into your role later on; I'd like to try something. I've been hinting at clearing the entire Blue Corps for awhile now, and I definitely think it is something we can achieve today. Blue Brother (unless he's you, of course) knows what I'm talking about.

Kast has definitely been a low-key player. Haven't really a definite scum/town read on him tbh.

Sshhh, MoI, its ok. We know tans is likely scum so don't waste too much of your time on him.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Magna, I might prod a bit more into your role later on; I'd like to try something. I've been hinting at clearing the entire Blue Corps for awhile now, and I definitely think it is something we can achieve today. Blue Brother (unless he's you, of course) knows what I'm talking about.

Kast has definitely been a low-key player. Haven't really a definite scum/town read on him tbh.

Sshhh, MoI, its ok. We know tans is likely scum so don't waste too much of your time on him.

1. Ok.

2. Well take a look, pending NoPoint actually flipping SK.

3. Shhh Andy. I want Tans to answer for a reason. Don't harsh my groove.

[Kublai Khan]

Kast has definitely been a low-key player. Haven't really a definite scum/town read on him tbh.

I'm getting a Black-Recruiter vibe from him, actually.

[tanstalas]

1. Why do you think Mods, in a game with SO many scum kills, would handicap Town in such a manner by making your Unlynchability such a handicap when it is triggered?

I don't know, you would have to ask them. If I had to make a guess I would say that they probably assumed there would be some cross kill action between the scum teams and the SK, which would give town an advantage. Though now that we know there is a cult involved it seems that that advantage may be moot, so I guess that would be a question post-game for the mods.

2. Why did you state the following, which I bolded, in your previous post right before this?

Dunno, something to keep in mind for if

I get lynched when I flip town

you can look back and see and ask why Andy was pushing my lynch so hard, especially his conflicting arguments of not speculating on setup then saying if it is 4:4:4:4:4:4:1 back to saying I am scum again when I am the only (4th) claimed Green without any CC

I wasn't sure if I should advise that I was unlynchable at that point due to some people here that I played with in SSBB and coming up with a crazy fake claim in that game they might have thought I was trying to pull the same thing. In thinking about it more I realized I was most likely worm food tonight anyhow since the scum teams/sk probably want to take out the vig who might get one of them, especially since I am outed now and can get feedback from people who are obv-town (Andy, and I assume you if that is the correct color code for blue) on who to shoot N5. I realize I was looking good for a lynch due to acting scummy, at this point you can either believe me or not that I am green, if you choose to lynch me now after I came clean then go for it.

Pending that response I have one other observation -

dude, I asked if anyone minded if I hammered, many people posted and didn't say to wait, the only one who did was Xvart

I just wanted to hammer, I don't think I have ever gotten to hammer before, and I wanted my name listed in the flavor

1. Asking permission to hammer is scumtastic. It’s an advanced attempt to disavow responsibility.
2. Not ever having hammered before is among the dumbest reasons to hammer. Wanting your name listed in the Night Flavor is either childish, scummy, or both.

1) I said that I was willing to put my vote on Xvart even before I 'asked' for permission in post 1349 pending Kast and Kit posting. Kast did post and voted for Xvart putting him at L-1 then. I even said that he was at L-1 now so no one accidently hammer, then I read his post where he admitted he was scum. I had every intention of hammering, I just didn't know if we wanted to wait for Kit to post, so that's why I poised the question to the group, after Spyrex, Jack and Dekes all posted without saying 'yeah wait for Kit to post' I hammered.

2) It wasn't the reason, it was a 'perk' The 'Reason' why I hammered was that he was he admitted to being scum. And yes the thought of having my name in the flavor was incentive to drop the hammer call it childish - whatever, but no one seemed to be objectionable to me hammering.

[Andrius]

Kast has definitely been a low-key player. Haven't really a definite scum/town read on him tbh.

I'm getting a Black-Recruiter vibe from him, actually.

I'm withholding my Black reads until this is over.
Because there are certain things I look for and I don't want to out them just yet.
But yes, he's a candidate.

[Andrius]

I wasn't sure if I should advise that I was unlynchable at that point due to some people here that I played with in SSBB and coming up with a crazy fake claim in that game they might have thought I was trying to pull the same thing.

You did well there though. I was impressed.

especially since I am outed now and can get feedback from people who are obv-town (Andy, and I assume you if that is the correct color code for blue) on who to shoot N5.

I'm not sure I understand this, actually. "color code for blue"?

[tanstalas]

I'm not sure I understand this, actually. "color code for blue"?

you playing dumb? You even hinted that the blue you posted was not the real blue color but the person to say they were blue could use the real color blue.

In MoI's post he used 0000FF as the color code, assuming in your PM where it told you your color it was color coded blue, if 0000FF is the color code for blue in your PM then he should be confirmed to you.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm not sure I understand this, actually. "color code for blue"?

you playing dumb? You even hinted that the blue you posted was not the real blue color but the person to say they were blue could use the real color blue.

In MoI's post he used 0000FF as the color code, assuming in your PM where it told you your color it was color coded blue, if 0000FF is the color code for blue in your PM then he should be confirmed to you.

I just pulled up the Font Color choice and picked the Blue I always used. That wasn't a coded signal on my part. Now if I wanted to perfectly duplicate the color palate I saw it would have written

Blue Lantern Corps

instead of

Blue Lantern Corps

[ReaperCharlie]

lol this was

supposed

to be a PM to dana, about updating the OP. haha

Edit: oooohhh, musta just clicked "quote" instead of "pm". my bad.

[Andrius]

I just pulled up the Font Color choice and picked the Blue I always used. That wasn't a coded signal on my part. Now if I wanted to perfectly duplicate the color palate I saw it would have written

Blue Lantern Corps

instead of

Blue Lantern Corps

Yep. That's the color.
I'll wait for what I was going to do to see if anyone else claims Blue.

[AlmasterGM]

Popcorn to AGM. Your fake-color claim please.

lol <3 you MoI.

Too bad you're the scumbag in this game.

I am le Violet.

Popcorn to tanstalas. If you already claimed then repost it and pick somebody else.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I am le Violet.

Popcorn to tanstalas. If you already claimed then repost it and pick somebody else.

I <3 you to AGM. Really!

Especially when you claim Violet which has had Four [ Count Them ] Mod confirmed flips of Violet Lanterns (and god damn it they should be the Star Saphire Corps ) so far in the game. So either the game began with more than 4 Violet Lanterns or your fake claim puts you in a bad spot. I will grant you that the Violet Corps, based on source material, are the second most likely to have more than 4 (behind the Green Lantern Corps, of course). Which is why I want to see how the rest of the claims fall out before elevating you above others on my lynch chart.

[danakillsu]

@ ReaperCharlie
Done and done.

[KageLord]

Popcorn to tanstalas. If you already claimed then repost it and pick somebody else.

For real, dude? He has not only claimed his color (which he brought up again multiple times because he believed not being CCed on Green confirmed him) but also his character and abilities. Now, I'm still very inclined to believe that it was a fakeclaim, but still... you should probably know this by now.

[Andrius]

KageLord, just go ahead then.
Let's get this moving. Color claim and popcorn off.

[tanstalas]

Popcorn to tanstalas. If you already claimed then repost it and pick somebody else.

For real, dude? He has not only claimed his color (which he brought up again multiple times because he believed not being CCed on Green confirmed him) but also his character and abilities. Now, I'm still very inclined to believe that it was a fakeclaim, but still... you should probably know this by now.

LOL, glad I'm not the only one that misses things

Kast, you're up.

P-edit damn you Andy!

[Andrius]

Never mind.
Kast is next, per tanstalas.

[KageLord]

Whatev. The sooner I get it over with the better.

Good thing I saw the preview before submitting... *just cut super-awesome claim from post*

[tanstalas]

Whatev. The sooner I get it over with the better.

Good thing I saw the preview before submitting... *just cut super-awesome claim from post*

It's only a color claim...