+town from me hereNero Cain wrote:We have a week till deadline. I support the Quadz, Wrath and to an extent the TMH wagons. Implosion, I AM, Bunny and Q21 need to switch their votes to one of those 3. DGB needs to vote.
Personally I like the Quadz lynch and I'd like to see him flip today.
Other than your PS, which is decent, I feel your post is largely IIoA and lacksI Am Innocent wrote:Not dwelling, just pointing out scum motivation that TMH had.Saint wrote:I find IAI's #1578's doctor comments scummy
@IAIwhat is the point in dwelling on the past with this?
Parama's kill ensured the end of the Doctor power role, and all links from players having the Doctor are now dead and we have 0 leads on the scum from that role. Scum 1, Town 0.
Are you referring to my questions? If not, please clarify.Saint wrote:I find IAI's #1578's doctor comments scummy
@IAIwhat is the point in dwelling on the past with this?
1) not if we decide he is town, which I feel he isI Am Innocent wrote:I want everyone on record on the following two questions before we get to N2.
1) If TMH survives to D3, and assuming the day vig makes it to D3, should TMH be killed D3 (either voluntarily by holding the virus, or forced through the day vig)?
2) If TMH survives D2, should CKD pass the tree stump to TMH N2?
My answers
1) yes
2) yes
2) leave it for WIFOM
why are you fishing, here, IAI? this information is scummily motivated... hard.
FOS: IAI
I'll answer assuming you are referring to my 2 questions. I think CKD should pass the Tree Stump to TMH tomorrow. I want it on record what the group thinks so there is no loophole here.
I don't want D3 to come and CKD to say, 'I did not pass it to TMH because I wasn't sure he was going to be the day kill D3', or 'I thought we were worried about the dayvig ending up in the void'.
By getting everyone on record, (and the clear majority thinks he should pass it to TMH assuming TMH is notlynched today,) CKD loses those loopholes. He has to send it to TMH or otherwise we know they are likely scum partners.
PS - And then we can circle back and see who was pushing the hardest for a TMH lynch D2 to try to save one teammate at the hands of bussing the other.
I'm barely just keeping up with the new material right now, and I haven't looked at the earlier stuff. Don't worry, I'll be around to vote.Nero Cain wrote:We have a week till deadline. [...]. DGB needs to vote.
What does it mean?Saint wrote:color saint in blue while youre at it
What are your thoughts on Saint, considering how much they've been defending TMH?Nero Cain wrote:Its just the way I scum hunt or at least try to. If I don't like the post I'll point it out and depending on how scummy it is (which is subjective mind you) then I'll start thinkin' that player is scummy. I think it was you, if not I apologize, but I see absolutely no pro-towness in TMH and you made some comments defending TMH.WrathChild wrote:So the entire Day 1 Nero doesn't look twice at me. Then I ask a question regarding the Darla Lynch and all of a sudden I'm Obvscum and I'm scumbuddies with my #1 Scumspect. This is definately a weak attack on me by Nero and reminds me of LMP's tactics as well.
Furcolow, by all accounts. Still not seeing any protowness.Saint wrote:you must not know who i am....q21 wrote:What obvtowness?Saint wrote:is there a reason you walled my OBV-townness off the thread, Q21?
Each night after you use any ability you have, such as doctor or busdriver, you have to choose another player in the game to pass that ability to (called cycling). You lose that ability and the next morning whoever you chose to pass it to is informed that they have gained the ability and may use it accordingly as they see fit and then choose someone else to pass it to themselves. The one caveat is that scum cannot pass abilities to scum of the same faction.DrippingGoofball wrote:I'm not clear on the cyclic bizniss part of the rules. Can anyone explain? Assume an IQ of less than 20.
Can someone get passed more than one ability?q21 wrote:Each night after you use any ability you have, such as doctor or busdriver, you have to choose another player in the game to pass that ability to (called cycling). You lose that ability and the next morning whoever you chose to pass it to is informed that they have gained the ability and may use it accordingly as they see fit and then choose someone else to pass it to themselves. The one caveat is that scum cannot pass abilities to scum of the same faction.
Yes but it's all taken up by toilet training.DrippingGoofball wrote:And your IQ's at least 30 DGB.
Underlined for Dripping Goofball.The Eruci wrote:Q: What is a "cycling choice" and when should I submit it?
A: A cycling choice is the person you wish to send your ability to.If you have more than one ability, each ability must be sent to separate players. It is suggested that you submit your cycling choice at the same time you submit your action, but not required. It is required to submit your choice before the current Night ends, otherwise your choices become randomized.
Interesting post. Is this a message to a teammate that Diddin was off limits D1? That he was going to be able to steal the the dayvig N1? Noted.themanhimself wrote:Also, totally agree with you here. Diddin is full of scum, unfortunately we're gonna want the dayvig ability so we can't lynch him today. I'm all for it tomorrow though.q21 wrote:How many time? Never. We never agreed that you were shooting people with alot of votes. You actually never mentioned votes when limiting who you wanted shot. Ever. The first time you mentioned that you weren't going to shoot anyone outside Helghast or WC (ISO 20) they were on 3 and 2 votes respectively, EC was on... also 2. When you said it again (ISO 29) the only change in that situation was that Helghast had gotten 1 more vote.diddin wrote: How many times did we agree I was shooting people with a lot of votes (hint: not EC)? How many times did I say I didn't want someone else to claim and potentially out a stronger power role? It's like I'm talking to someone and whenever I make a point they stick their fingers in their ear and go LALALALALALA YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG
Who in the hell would pass the cop ability to TMH?WrathChild wrote:Maybe he just doesn't count crappy survival votes.themanhimself wrote:Not 100% sure why you would doubt me on this but whateverNero Cain wrote:Your last vote was on Prama...he died. I doubt you can vote a dead player.
Join me in voting Quadz.themanhimself iso #58 wrote:Hrm.... so I'm guessing there's an SK? Either that or a vig but if there's a vig the ability probably cycles so I don't know that it's much use trying to get anything from that.Anyway, I want an explanation for this and until I get one VOTE: Parama.Parama wrote:Lat is confirmed town
Also, who has the hot potato for today? I've reason beyond our previous speculation to believe that it came back today but I'll get into that a little later.So, again,themanhimself iso #78 wrote:Isn't it obvious to see why it isn't true? You're giving us a false dilemma, either did din is scum or I am when that's clearly not the case. If we're both town then you're setting up two consecutive mislynches. I think diddin is scum but if I'm wrong then you're trying to kill two townies with one stone. It's brilliant because one flipping town incriminates the other as scum so one mislynch automatically buys two. Very clever. VOTE: Wrathchild@Mod: Is there a problem with the vote count?
If you actually read what I wrote I said (like several times) the only guarantee we get is if you flip scum, which makes Diddin town. If you flip town it does nothing, if Diddin flips town it does nothing. So you are misrepping me AND voting me on that misrep.
I'm very happy with my vote on TMH right now. I don't care one bit that he has the day-vig. Dead scum is dead scum. So many things can go wrong with ability passing and tracking. There is no reason to hold off on lynching scum just because you want to track their ability. In fact I'm suspicious of those advocating doing so. I've seen confirmed scum, buy days for one reason or the other and never get lynched. We don't lynch him today because he has the Day-Vig ability and tomorrow it will be another thing, like "Oh, I'm the cop". We could lose the Dayvig ability at night, we could lose the virus tomorrow making the Dayvig cease to function, etc.
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Saint wrote:@wrathchild, you say Diddin is confirmed town if TMH flips scum, but they had the busdriving aspect
What if TMH passed it off to a dead slot (the bus driver), and bus drove diddin passing it to a town slot to himself
that would bend the rules, not break them.
TMH sent his power to Diddin, unrelated to the Bus Driver ability.themanhimself wrote:Seems like a good idea to me. I had the power to change the cycle of night choices for N1. For example, I could tell the mod to send diddin's power to someone else regardless of who diddin tried to send it to. I sent the day-vig ability to myself and the person who got my redirect power knows who they are probably figured out why I sent it to them. I'm all for using my power democratically
TMH chose to have all abilities that Diddin would pass go to TMH instead. Then he passed the Bus Driver ability to Diddin. IF TMH is scum Diddin is not.diddin wrote:The cycling of the ability I got works totally differently than the redirection.
Here's how it works: I pick two people. Let's call them A and B. When I use my power, any powers A would pass off instead get passed off to B. So last night, when tmh had the power, I was A and he was B.
I can then pass off the power as usual.
I don't recall defending TMH anywhere, I request a quote please.Nero Cain wrote:Its just the way I scum hunt or at least try to. If I don't like the post I'll point it out and depending on how scummy it is (which is subjective mind you) then I'll start thinkin' that player is scummy. I think it was you, if not I apologize, but I see absolutely no pro-towness in TMH and you made some comments defending TMH.WrathChild wrote:So the entire Day 1 Nero doesn't look twice at me. Then I ask a question regarding the Darla Lynch and all of a sudden I'm Obvscum and I'm scumbuddies with my #1 Scumspect. This is definately a weak attack on me by Nero and reminds me of LMP's tactics as well.
Saint wrote:I called you Townie for the first ten pages, and outlined in no uncertain terms what I've found wrong since. Try harder.quadz wrote:You've called me everything from townie to today's lynch; it all depends on where you were in your readthrough. I didn't find it necessary to comment on old news, Vi. Once you're fully caught up, show me a case, and I'll respond to that.
Ludicrously controversial things being where you're saying "TMH is town," I imagine? If that is what you're talking about, why aren't you asking the whole rest of the playerlist about this? I haven't seen ANYONE comment on it. My guess is that's because people are going "oh that makes sense" but nobody wants to say it, honestly. Nobody wants to be the guy who a) sheeps the new guy, and b) flip-flops on someone that people have been calling scummy all game long.Saint wrote:My posts about tmh have nothing to do with me being caught up, and given that I'm saying ludicrously controversial things one would think that you would at least mention them. Again, try harder.[/color]quadz wrote:Unless I posted something that shows ignorance of a view/idea you had, it's pretty ridiculous to assume I didn't read what you wrote. FWIW, your posts are adding town cred to your slot, but I'm reserving real judgement until you're fully caught up.
I don't believe it is, no. Parama had been scummy to me all game long, and I know I mentioned that.RC wrote:quadz and SC were the weird ones in that group, btw. quadz, as far as I know, wasn't interested in Parama being shot until Darla flipped. quadz, is this true?
NC 1645 wrote:I support the Quadz, Wrath and to an extent the TMH wagons
Ummmmmmmwhat? You only support his wagon to an extent, but you see no pro-townness in him at all?NC 1646 wrote:I see absolutely no pro-towness in TMH
Points are P{scum} * 100quadz08 wrote:DGB, can you explain how you came to your points and distancing in this post? I really like the different methodology, I just think that for it to be effective, we have to understand how you got your results.
Finished my earlier analysis by rereading TMH. The best possible match for a teammate I could come up with was q21. His 2nd post after the TMH post above included a call for "MOAR POWERROX VOTES PLEASE!"I Am Innocent wrote:Interesting post. Is this a message to a teammate that Diddin was off limits D1? That he was going to be able to steal the the dayvig N1? Noted.themanhimself wrote:Also, totally agree with you here. Diddin is full of scum, unfortunately we're gonna want the dayvig ability so we can't lynch him today. I'm all for it tomorrow though.q21 wrote:How many time? Never. We never agreed that you were shooting people with alot of votes. You actually never mentioned votes when limiting who you wanted shot. Ever. The first time you mentioned that you weren't going to shoot anyone outside Helghast or WC (ISO 20) they were on 3 and 2 votes respectively, EC was on... also 2. When you said it again (ISO 29) the only change in that situation was that Helghast had gotten 1 more vote.diddin wrote: How many times did we agree I was shooting people with a lot of votes (hint: not EC)? How many times did I say I didn't want someone else to claim and potentially out a stronger power role? It's like I'm talking to someone and whenever I make a point they stick their fingers in their ear and go LALALALALALA YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG
