Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[KageLord]

Whatev. The sooner I get it over with the better.

Good thing I saw the preview before submitting... *just cut super-awesome claim from post*

It's only a color claim...

I know... but it was a super-awesome color claim.

[Andrius]

KageLord was going to claim Black Lantern.

[Kdub]

If black can recruit scum, then what happens to the recruited player? Do they suddenly vanish from the scum quicktopic? Furthermore, that immediately allows black to know who is in that scumteam and out them, which seems broken.

Now that everyone has posted, I still don't really see a huge benefit to mass claim, but if Andy has reason to believe it will help us, I am willing to go along with it. I have almost no knowledge of the source flavor, so I will defer to him.

Oddly enough, the more people try to push for a nopoint lynch, the less I want to lynch him. He strikes me as that scummy looking guy in every game who actual scum try to push a wagon onto to deflect from their buddies (tans in this case). I don't dispute that he looks like a possible SK, and his claim sucks, but we have 99.9% confirmed scum in tans. I can't fathom lynching anybody else today unless conclusive evidence surfaces against them (e.g. investigation results), moreso than a weak claim or improbable mechanics (both of which also apply to tans BTW).

What's the reason for people thinking that tans is yellow again? I'm actually thinking he has a chance of being orange himself. His claimed kill targets have to be truthful (or he would have exposed himself as lying scum to whoever actually killed them), and they strike me as "under the radar" targets that fit an SK looking to set up a future vig fakeclaim.

[KageLord]

KageLord was going to claim Black Lantern.

Tactics.

[AlmasterGM]

Mmmmm yeah.

[Andrius]

I don't think black can recruit scum. Especially if they're not the last one left.

We're not massclaiming until colors are done.
Then maybe.
I'll probably prod the blues for the Blue Lantern Trade Secret. See if we can catch scum that way.

[Kast]

My color actually immediately gives away my character name and the color I become to both MoI and KK (both probable scum), so I might as well share those both:

Ganthet,

co-leader of

Blue Lantern Corps

. I can turn myself into a deputy member of the

Green Lantern Corps

.

I picked Orange and Blue, but also said if I don't get either I'd like Green third most and the rest I don't really care (so I'm pretty happy with what I got). I'd actually love to improve my SK record which sucks on this site; that'll have to wait for another game.

My choice to pop-corn is obviously KK, but if we're limiting this due to the nigh confirmed Towns unreasonably trusting him, KageLord can go next.

@KK-
Projecting?

@Black Lanterns-
From flavor and from the mod announcement, it's possible that currently dead townies can be recruited by the Black Lanterns. Agree that it seems unlikely that scum could be recruited (dead or alive). For that to happen, they would need to retain their original scum win con or other mechanic to prevent divulging names of teammates.

[The Stove]

Flavor note: take with a grain of salt since flips reveal some bastardized flavor

, Black lanterns can only exist while William Hand is dead. The way to solve the Blackest Night/end the series was by bringing William Hand back to life (and turning him into an

Indigo

Lantern prisoner). It is possible that William Hand's death triggered the Black Lantern awakenings. If any player has a reviving mechanic, William Hand would be the flavor solution to the Black Lantern problem.

What bastardized flavor has there been? I don't know the series, so it could provide an interesting point of focus here.

I'm trying to gather my thoughts here with Zito, I'm sure something of not-so-epic proportions will be produced soon.

[nopointinactingup]

ZOMG. There is no solid evidence whatsoever that I'm the SK and there is clear-cut evidence that Tans is lying in his Green claim and you guys are all BREADCRUMBING "leaning towards nopoint". I hate orange and I'd never pick that color. If we mislynch a town today then it doesn't matter whether there is one less kill or not at night. Right now there's no conclusive evidence as to I am scum whereas there is solid evidence that Tans is Yellow scum with MOI. Their tactic is blatant, kill Spyrex who's the only one sane enough not to speculate on favor shit but rather speculate based on his night results and now they start soft pushing my lynch. I can't believe people are fallin for this fuktard strategy. Fine, bet everything on flavor. It's either me or Tans because both of us claimed Green

Vote:Tanstalas

[tanstalas]

Right now there's no conclusive evidence as to I am scum whereas there is solid evidence that Tans is Yellow scum with MOI.

Except the fact that MoI is confirmed blue now, blows your theory out of the water doesn't it? Or are you going to say he randomly guessed that 2043FF was the correct color code for blue?

[Andrius]

I'm not so sure he's confirmed JUST off that though.
I mean, a good fakeclaim would have that too.

But I'll attempt to consolidate the Blues later, so.

/aslssp

[nopointinactingup]

No Tans, it could have very well been from his fakeclaim. He's trying too hard to prove himself and he only does so as scum.

[KageLord]

If we mislynch a town today then it doesn't matter whether there is one less kill or not at night.

Wait what? Why would there be one less kill if we mislynch town?

Anyway, it seems like you're the one that's trying too hard.

My turn to claim or KK first?

[The Stove]

Someone just go so we can get back to playing the game plz.

I'm still not sure I see the point of this FTR.


-PZ

[MagnaofIllusion]

Except the fact that MoI is confirmed blue now, blows your theory out of the water doesn't it? Or are you going to say he randomly guessed that 2043FF was the correct color code for blue?

Why in the hell are you pushing so hard for me to be confirmed again? The only person we have that is even close to confirmed in my eyes is The Stove, who has a Cop innocent on him (meaning he could only be scum if he’s Investigation Immune). Buddying up to me sets my scum-dar ringing.

I'm tempted to move my vote to you after seeing this.

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My color actually immediately gives away my character name and the color I become to both MoI and KK (both probable scum), so I might as well share those both:

Umm you could have just given your Color options. I don’t see why claiming Blue that can go Green automatically means Ganthet. Because I think Hal Jordan would be a better fit for that transition, IMO. He was briefly brought into the Blue Corps when facing Atrocious before returning to the Green Lantern Corps.

Gathet makes more flavor sense going Green to Blue, but source flavor isn’t rock solid so I think the claim is possible.

So I’m scum for suspecting you? Is that what I should take from your vague statement above?

Here’s why I think you certainly could be Orange. In my direct experience Town-Kast has three defining characteristics.

1. Verbose posting. That’s present here.
2. A general focus and fascination with game mechanics. That’s also present.
3. A high level of tenacity in scum-hunting. This is what I think is missing this game.

In Brave and Beautiful you went full bore after me based on unknown play mechanics and role assumptions (which were incorrect, BTW) like a pit bull. You ignored obv-scum Furc and helped scum lynch me.

In this game on the other hand you completely lack any sort of aggressive scum-hunting. I see many suggestions and speculation but no focused attacks. Which would be in-line with someone not wanting to draw Nightkills, which are prevelant in this game.

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What bastardized flavor has there been? I don't know the series, so it could provide an interesting point of focus here.

Well for starters, as I have mentioned repeatedly, Tomar Re has been DEAD since Crisis on Infinite Earths which chronologically predates Blackest Night in continuity (and in RL by about 20 years). He does appear as a Black Lantern in Blackest Night.

I’m not seeing any other flips that are off (William Hand does end Blackest Night as a member / prisoner of the Indigo Tribe).

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ZOMG.

There is no solid evidence whatsoever that I'm the SK and there is clear-cut evidence that Tans is lying in his Green claim and you guys are all BREADCRUMBING "leaning towards nopoint"

. I hate orange and I'd never pick that color. If we mislynch a town today then it doesn't matter whether there is one less kill or not at night.

Right now there's no conclusive evidence as to I am scum

whereas there is solid evidence that Tans is Yellow scum with MOI. Their tactic is blatant, kill Spyrex who's the only one sane enough not to speculate on favor shit but rather speculate based on his night results and

now they start soft pushing my lynch.

I can't believe people are fallin for this fuktard strategy. Fine, bet everything on flavor. It's either me or Tans because both of us claimed Green

Emphasis added.

1. Insert link to Flail.com here.
2. Why repeatedly say there is ‘no solid evidence’ that you are scum? Mafia isn’t a game of CSI. Your play has been scummy. Your claim I’ve repeatedly shown is flawed on many levels. You never even presented the breadcrumbs you claimed to have laid when requested to do so.
3. How exactly am I soft pushing your lynch? I’ve been actively calling for your head for three days running.
4. Continuing to minimize that the only reason people suspect you is flavour is just wrong. It's not just your claim (which is horrible).

No Tans, it could have very well been from his fakeclaim. He's trying too hard to prove himself and he only does so as scum.

Bullshit. We’ve never played in a game together that I can remember where I was scum. Show me exactly where I have a demonstrated history of “trying too hard to prove himself”. Otherwise this is just empty rhetorical mudslinging.

[danakillsu]

[Redacted]

[KageLord]

Someone just go so we can get back to playing the game plz.

I'm still not sure I see the point of this FTR.


-PZ

Kk.

I'm

GREEN

!

The reason I didn't claim this earlier is that it is seeming more and more unlikely that we are in a setup with 4s (this is also why I asked my question earlier this day that only one person answered >.>) and my claim would only help scum figure out my role.

I'm Hal Jordan.

[KageLord]

Now, in a similar thing to the Blue Lanterns, we got a special color font. But, it's not the one used above or the one that dana used in the OP (I don't know if he used a different one on purpose or not). Nopoint, and nopoint alone, what's the color code?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Kage - You forgot to include your initial color choices.

[ReaperCharlie]

Unfortunately, I must remind you all of Rule 13, on which dana and I have been lax up until this point:

13. Do not edit or delete your posts, if you have access to do so. Do not post in colors other than the default. Do not post in sizes smaller than the default. Do not encrypt anything in your posts.

And if we were to be very anal, this might also fall within the purview of "quoting of role PMs", address in rule 10:

10. Do not quote any PMs you receive from the mods. If you claim, you may rewrite your role PM in your own words to justify your position if you wish, but if you directly quote your PM, you will be modkilled.

Please pay attention to the rules.

If any clarification is needed, we can edit the rules as necessary to be more in line with the spirit of the law.

[KageLord]

Oh whoops. Thanks for the reminder.

I had to look this up in my sent messages and I'm just going to be completely honest about it. Green and yellow. Reason: I figured those two would have the juiciest roles (besides SK, which I didn't particularly want to try for the first time in a game with people I know to be good hunters).

Prev-edit: Uh oh.

@RC/dana:

do you consider posting the color code (numbers/letters, not actually putting that color on your post words) in your role PM as disobeying either of those rules?

[Kdub]

So I guess the remaining color claims will go Dekes -> KK -> me/Stove?

[Kublai Khan]

I'll speed this along..

I'm Indigo.

Color choices were Orange/Indigo.

I'm happy with Stove claiming next.

[danakillsu]

You can post the code associated with the color if you want to. I have many of the same codes in the OP, anyway.

[Kast]

@AGar-
As MoI mentioned (and mod admitted the error), Tomar Re should be dead OR should be a Black Lantern. William Hand should also have started out dead, as a Black Lantern, from the beginning of the Blackest Night story arc (his transformation into a member of the Indigo Tribe is more of a cameo in the epilogue and only really developed in stories post-Blackest Night).

@Tans-
I'm pretty sure your buddy doesn't appreciate that you're defending/tying yourself to him. Even more so since he's already under scrutiny.

@MoI-
-Hal went Green>Red>Blue>Green in the arc you're referencing; and it wasn't exactly something he controlled. It was also pre-Blackest Night. Within the Blackest Night story line, there's really only one person who goes Blue to Green.

-If you ignore my prior posts, then sure you might have grounds to claim I'm OMGUSing you. If you read my prior posts, then your claim doesn't have any grounds.
--You've been the primary pusher of both counter wagons for the flipped Yellow-Scum.
--Both caught Yellow-Scum have turned out to be PRs, yet you act as if there's no possible motivation for Yellow-scum to try and save his buddies.
--Both of these thoughts have been stated since my first post of D4; well before you claimed to suspect me as SK.
I'm curious to see how your "suspicion" adjusts after NPIAU flips Orange.

-In Brave and Beautiful, I acted based on info provided by my role as well as info claimed by others. There was one specific role interaction that led me to doubt you, and it turned out to be a red herring that only happened in the event of 3+ PRs interacting with each other in a very specific way (Samus normally copies death flavor; Cortana's death flavor is always generic 'destroyed'). In this game, the info available to me, primarily from plausible claims by others, has pointed pretty clearly and obviously at scum and there's been neither opportunity nor necessity to get into heated debates on why we should follow the info.

Thoughts on the Claims thus far:
@MoI-

In other news, I've counted thus far at least 4 people who put Orange in one of the two colors based on the way things have been phrased and such. Of those 4, SpyreX is the only one who stated he put it second. Many have not yet commented on their color choice selection in such an obvious way though, so I am betting there were more.

I'm apparently braindead. Who else besides Sens has done it? I'd LOVE to see it in context if you'd be so kind because that furthers what I've been saying with this selective garbage, depending.

Magna strongly eluded to it:

1. Second choice. Hardly a surprise given how popular my first choice was.

I will also admit to having put Orange first when I quoted Magna, I said as such:

1. Second choice. Hardly a surprise given how popular my first choice was.

Just noticed this. You are a man after my own heart MoI.

This isn't a hard point, but it did seem like your initial post was claiming Orange as first pick. It seems uncharacteristic of you to not correct that if it was a misunderstanding.
@KageLord-

Green and yellow

The reason I am telling you this is because I know that SensFan is on the red team because he claimed that SSBF picked yellow as the number one pick. There were/are two people on my team (myself included) that did not pick yellow as a color at all, so the fact that he picked yellow as his first pick and he didn't get it does not compute with the fact that I (and another) did not pick yellow at all.

These don't really match. Seems unlikely that xvart would lie about color picks while claiming scum.