Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Dekes]

I'm Indigo.

Color choices were Orange/Indigo.

Wow, great minds...

Same color, same color choices.

Guess that leaves Stove and Kdub. Kdub, if you're here before Stove is, feel free to go first.

[Andrius]

Well, well, well. If it isn't Hal Jordan.

We meet again.


Similarly to KageLord, I was HOPING there would be Masons in this setup, and I was hoping to get in on that action, so I picked

Blue and Violet

, hoping one of those was the correct color. Idiot_Andy didn't read into the whole SISTETHOOD of Violet though, and missed it by one preference slot. I digress; I love my role.

Just waiting on the last two, and then I think I'll attempt to consolidate the Blue and Green Corps.

Not at all surprised there are 6 Greens, and not surprised Blues are on the short end of the spectrum.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Kage

– Kast makes a very valid point below …

These don't really match. Seems unlikely that xvart would lie about color picks while claiming scum.

It is always important to take the words of a confessed scum with a grain of salt but xvart being proven correct about Sensfan says that the portion of his statement regarding players ending up with Yellow who didn’t choose it is probably truthful.

Your thoughts?

--

I'm pretty sure your buddy doesn't appreciate that you're defending/tying yourself to him. Even more so since he's already under scrutiny.

This is funny. I’ve already explained why the logic of me pushing against Yellow buddies on two successive days is stupid (regardless of how often you question it). Now you stated that my theoretical fourth buddy is going out of his way to tie himself to me in thread. That’s just plain stupid and for you to continue to push a scum-team that actively outs themselves easily in thread reinforces my belief that you aren’t actively scum-hunting.

--You've been the primary pusher of both counter wagons for the flipped Yellow-Scum.
--Both caught Yellow-Scum have turned out to be PRs, yet you act as if there's no possible motivation for Yellow-scum to try and save his buddies.

You’ve yet to explain why I would be so blatant about actively pushing for NoPoint to be lynched in a way that makes any sense from a scum perspective. Especially in light of the fact that xvart claiming in thread. It make ZERO sense for me, as xvart’s partner, to push hard against his lynch when he clearly planned to out himself. Your claims about ‘saving’ Power Roles make little sense when xvart then gives himself up.

In Brave and Beautiful, I acted based on info provided by my role as well as info claimed by others. There was one specific role interaction that led me to doubt you, and it turned out to be a red herring that only happened in the event of 3+ PRs interacting with each other in a very specific way (Samus normally copies death flavor; Cortana's death flavor is always generic 'destroyed').

I’ll be benevolent and assume you actually believe this is the extent of your ‘mechanics’ zeal from B&B. I’m not going to argue about it but will only say you are leaving out large swaths of your other incorrect assumptions made regarding role possibilites and mechanics during that game.

This isn't a hard point, but it did seem like your initial post was claiming Orange as first pick. It seems uncharacteristic of you to not correct that if it was a misunderstanding.

Can you explain what I would gain by correcting Toog? I’d like to understand what scum-hunting motivation I would have to correct him and say “No, I didn’t choose Orange as my first color” at that juncture without directly giving up my color choices prematurely.

[KageLord]

@Kage

– Kast makes a very valid point below …

These don't really match. Seems unlikely that xvart would lie about color picks while claiming scum.

It is always important to take the words of a confessed scum with a grain of salt but xvart being proven correct about Sensfan says that the portion of his statement regarding players ending up with Yellow who didn’t choose it is probably truthful.

Your thoughts?

It is admittedly an interesting point. Since I'm not a mod though, I have no clue why they wouldn't pick me as yellow if some of the actual yellows didn't pick it. The only guess I can make is that they didn't pick green and more greens were needed (and since green was my first choice it took precedence). Or, far less likely, dana didn't want to see me play as scum in another one of his superhero games.

From a slightly more WIFOMy standpoint, why would I claim yellow as my second color if I was actually yellow? I have seen people guess you and me as the remaining yellows, so I don't see any reason for yellow scum to further relate themselves to that color. It would have been much easier to claim any other color (even red) as the second choice.

[Kdub]

I picked orange/blue, and I got blue.

[Andrius]

Players

Yet Tarrying Amongst the Living

–

MagnaofIllusion, Claimed

Blue Lantern

– KageLord, Claimed

Hal Jordan, Green Lantern

– tanstalas, Claimed

Green Lantern, OddNight Vigilante

– Dekes, Claimed

Indigo Lantern

– Kublai Khan, Claimed

Indigo Lantern

– Kast, Claimed

Blue Lantern

turned

Green Lantern

– nopointinactingup, Claimed

Green Lantern Hider

– Kdub, Claimed

Blue Lantern

– The Stove
– Andrius,

Blue Lantern

– AlmasterGM, Claimed

Violet Lantern

ITS SO PRETTY. <3
Assuming Stove claims the color I expect him to, I'll be ready to outline what we should do next.
It seems that I wasn't quite WIFOM'd to death after all.

@ KAST: When did you turn Green from Blue?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Andy if you really want that to properly reflect claims you want to add that

Tans claimed Sodam Yat
Kast claimed Ganthet
NoPoint claimed John Stewart

[Andrius]

I was just too lazy to go back and look for those.
I'll update it.

[Andrius]

Players

Yet Tarrying Amongst the Living

–

MagnaofIllusion, Claimed

Blue Lantern

– KageLord, Claimed

Hal Jordan, Green Lantern

– tanstalas, Claimed

Sodam Yat, Green Lantern, OddNight Vigilante

– Dekes, Claimed

Indigo Lantern

– Kublai Khan, Claimed

Indigo Lantern

– Kast, Claimed

Ganthet, Blue Lantern

turned

Green Lantern

– nopointinactingup, Claimed

John Stewart, Green Lantern, Hider

– Kdub, Claimed

Blue Lantern

– The Stove
– Andrius,

Blue Lantern

– AlmasterGM, Claimed

Violet Lantern

[Kast]

@MoI-
Your refusal to admit any possible motivation for scum to try protecting their buddies is what's stupid. The obvious motive for trying to save your buddies is because it directly contributes to your chances of winning by having your team survive (more votes, more powers, more "hitpoints", etc.). Other potential motives could include being GF trying to draw a cop, being a less valuable PR/Vanilla who would be less harmful for your team to lose, setting up for the "defending scum-buddies is too scummy to be scum" crap-logic defense that you're using now, or trying to distract & gain townpoints by focusing on a competing scum-lynch (NPIAU) (not an exhaustive list).

Your motive obviously was not trying to reveal yourself as scum. Claiming that people are pushing that ridiculous argument just evades the actual point. Your defense further assumes that both Yellow lynches were forgone conclusions at the time you tried to divert them. However, MoI-scum trying to save his buddies would obviously think there was a chance to save his buddies and thus no suspicion would come from that. MoI-scum also wouldn't know that xvart was about to claim scum in thread, and despite your claim to the contrary, you didn't actually argue against xvart's lynch after he claimed.

As far as Tans defending his buddy; Tans is already caught and your lynch is pretty likely after Tans flips (that would make this the third and only successful time you've pushed for NPIAU instead of a caught Yellow-scum). He doesn't exactly have much to lose if he hurts you; but if he can get his buddy *confirmed* as town, then that's a no-brainer move.

Can you explain what I would gain by correcting Toog? I’d like to understand what scum-hunting motivation I would have to correct him and say “No, I didn’t choose Orange as my first color” at that juncture without directly giving up my color choices prematurely.

The same motivation that makes you correct when people publicly voice thoughts that you softclaimed anything else.
The clause about prematurely giving up your color choices doesn't seem at all relevant to this point. From context, your "first choice" was something you thought would be obvious to others; your implication that correcting Toog would require some strange and/or risky thought process is inconsistent with "prematurely" softclaiming your first choice.

@Andy-
Turning into a Green Lantern was a once per game effect triggered at any time by PMing Dana or RC. I sent in the PM on D3 after posting my catchup. I didn't actually get the confirmation until N3. I actually haven't asked for clarification on whether I counted as changing when I sent the PM or when I got the confirmation. I'll check, but from the wording, I'm guessing it was during D3 when I sent the PM.

[Andrius]

Also, with a claim like Hal Jordan, KageLord is either legit. HJ or Siniestro.

[The Stove]

We picked Indigo/Blue because blue is my favorite color and indigo was next to it, which made quoting easy. Also because I had no idea there's was significance to the colors when I picked them other than town/town.

We received blue.

Now what.


-PZ

[Kublai Khan]

Now what.

What color do you think tanstalas will flip?

Also, who do you think is the Black Lantern recruiter and what night were you recruited?

[Andrius]

Things I want to do:
-Attempt to Consolidate Blue
-Attempt to Consolidate Green

@ KAST: Why exactly did you change to Green, Kast? Was Blue a bad color for you?


Now let me explain what I mean when I say consolidate Blue.
I have thoroughly claimed a PR of sorts, as has my Blue Brother. (You all are Blue, but he's the one who has confirmed his ability- and therein his alignment.)
What has to happen to do this is to claim whether or not the four of you (Stove, Kdub, MoI, and Kast) have active abilities as Blues. (Kast, you too, because you were Blue.) Basically I'm going to ask whether you're an Operative or not.
It is not my intent to get all the Blues to massclaim. It is not my intent to out my Blue Brother.
It is my intent to consolidate the Blues into the confirmed side of the Blues and the non-confirmed side, similar to the Greens. Because nopoint and tanstalas are likely scumbags so they aren't true green, so to speak.
Don't go ahead and do this, just let me know if this is doable or not for you.
Please let me know if this is doable for you.

And oddly enough, the Cult benefits from us lynching scum, since they can probably not recruit them. :/ At least the Yellow. Probably all of them.

SpyreX's efforts helped make this possible.


As a side note, is anyone against AGM claiming whether or not he has active abilities? Because he is the only surviving Violet.

[The Stove]

What color do you think tanstalas will flip?

I think he'll flip scum. I don't really care which.

Also, who do you think is the Black Lantern recruiter and what night were you recruited?

You recruited us last night, remember?

hurp de durp


@Andrius: AGar seems willing to go along with all this, I don't really feel like arguing it.

[Andrius]

Now you see why a massclaim would help to offset the massive amount of claims that are going to happen.
I) This does two things: attempt to consolidate colors
II) work towards a massclaim which will also:
III) narrow down Black Recruiter
IV) from him we can divine the recruits

I'm going to take a leap and say that the Black Corps entered the game somewhere between N2 and N3. Toog's flip may have been the first night of recruitment. But we can't rule out it starting a day prior.

Going to test something quickly:

Vote: Plum

Someone drop a vote on another dead player, preferably a flipped town PR who's been dead since N2. Say... Starbuck

[Andrius]

I'd like to be able to rule out the notion that dead players affect the living in any way that we can think of, so.

[MagnaofIllusion]

What the heck -

UNVOTE: NoPoint

VOTE: Stephoscope

[Kublai Khan]

Vote: Starbuck

This isn't a bastard game though, so there shouldn't be any vote-a-non-player shenanigans.

[tanstalas]

Since Magna has reading comprehension issues today...

VOTE: Vote: Starbuck

[MagnaofIllusion]

Since Magna has reading comprehension issues today...

VOTE: Vote: Starbuck

Yes, because Stephoscope hasn't been dead since N2 also

And it's not like KK didn't cover that already anyway. Thanks for being 'useful' tans.

[Andrius]

Yeah, but the Black Lanterns had to come from SOMEWHERE, and unless he just sat here and waited for some magical condition to occur we've got to try something.

I'll be back later; if the blues could form an opinion on the issue at hand that'd be cool.

Every time I want to just lynch nopoint/tanny I have to remember that there's black recruiter out there, and we have to kill him soon. But at this point killing the SK/last red would be beneficial too, so.

lol at the reading fails.

[tanstalas]

Since Magna has reading comprehension issues today...

VOTE: Vote: Starbuck

Yes, because Stephoscope hasn't been dead since N2 also

And it's not like KK didn't cover that already anyway. Thanks for being 'useful' tans.

I was referring to the point Andy asked us to vote a PR and you voted a VT (he was a VT right - on phone and slow to check)

Anyhow you only failed at reading today, its a daily thing for me

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote Count

nopointinactingup [1] - Dekes

MagnaofIllusion [1] - AlmasterGM

tanstalas [1] - nopointinactingup

Not voting [8]

- Andrius, KageLord, Kast, Kdub, Kublai Khan, MagnaofIllusion, The Stove, tanstalas

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch. Deadline is February 10, 2011.

[Kast]

@Andy-
I have a role-related reason for changing. If you need me to claim further, I can.

Your request is doable.

Also, RC confirmed that my change happened during D3 as soon as I sent in the PM.