Mafia 124 - Dilemma Mafia (Day 6)

[Nikanor]

@ Nikanor
You seem to be intentionally disguising any real analysis. Why?

I also note that you have offered a hand of friendship to the first two big suspects of the game. Again, why?

I want real answers from you. Not the cutesy fluff you have been posting, so far.

I am not the master of disguise you seem to be making me out to be. What, am I not turtle-y enough for your turtle club?

[Nikanor]

Oops, didn't mean to hit submit.
Darla's iso-posting looks like fluff to me, but I can't bring myself to vote for her. It's that damned avatar. :\

Unvote.
Vote: ender.

Saying that he'd eat a lynch if it helps the town is just an attempt to look pro-town. I'm not sure why he doesn't have more votes yet.

[Empking]

Vote Count 10

1. bobsnox (1) - DarlaBlueEyes,
2. DarlaBlueEyes (6) - Bub Bidderskins, CMAR, DLG, MoreWhisky, bobsnox, flinter
3. flinter
4. DLG
5. Jahudo
6. Bub Bidderskins
7. Pomegranate
8. Brokenscraps
9. CryMeARiver (0)
10. Nikanor
11. Yosarian2
12. Final Fires (1) - ender241
13. ender241 (3) - Yosarian2, Jahudo, Nikanor
14. MoreWhisky (1) - Brokenscraps

Not Voting: Pomegranate, Final Fires



With 14 alive its 8 to lynch.

[DLG]

@ Nikanor

I want real answers from you. Not the cutesy fluff you have been posting, so far.

What, am I not turtle-y enough for your turtle club?

Unsatisfactory.

FOS: Nikanor

ender241 is either a VI or suicidal in terms of this game.

HOS: ender241

DarlaBlueEyes now appears to be trying to lurk away the suspicion on her and hoping someone else becomes the prime suspect. Standard scum tactic.

[Empking]

FMC: bobsnox, DarlaBlueEyes, flinter, DLG, Jahudo, Bub Bidderskins, Pomegranate, brokenscraps, CryMeARiver, Nikanor, Yosarian2, Final Fires, ender241, MoreWhisky

[Bub Bidderskins]

FF work on reading comprehension. <---- serious statement

Please lynch me =/= don't lynch me you'll be sorry

etc.

this is annoying

You are annoying.

And ender, I forgot to ask, why do you think bob is scummier than darla? I was too caught up in your failvote of FF. Which you need to explain as well.

[Pomegranate]

I'm sorry. I've just fallen way behind.

@Empking: with the way things are right now, I don't have time for this game

.

[Empking]

Pomegranate will be replaced

[Empking]

Fishythefish replaces Pomegranate

[Fishythefish]

It's true!

I'll read up later today.

[Nikanor]

Hi Fishy!

Unsatisfactory. FOS: Nikanor

You are scum, aren't you?

[Empking]

ender241 will be replaced.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I am not lurking I have had low access. I am pretty sure I mentioned it a page or so back, but I am in several games and sometimes forget which ones I have already said that in.

Posting from phone now, am trying to read back what I've missed

[flinter]

I would be much more confortable with you if you weren't trying so hard to tell us you really aren't lurking and you actually tried to deduce things. You are exactly the kind of person who would walk around at night with a gun, trying to kill innocent townies. Shudder.

[brokenscraps]

Darla's iso-posting looks like fluff to me, but I can't bring myself to vote for her. It's that damned avatar. :\

Calling another player out for fluff?

[Nikanor]

I am not posting fluff. If I were in the business of fluffing up my posts, they'd be a lot longer than they are.

[DLG]

You are scum, aren't you?

Nope, are you?

I am not posting fluff.

Does worthless drivel seem a better description? The length of your posts isn't at issue. The forced silliness of your reasons is at issue.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I am not posting fluff. If I were in the business of fluffing up my posts, they'd be a lot longer than they are.

Just as an fyi, this is fluff.

I am not lurking I have had low access. I am pretty sure I mentioned it a page or so back, but I am in several games and sometimes forget which ones I have already said that in.

Posting from phone now, am trying to read back what I've missed

Justification for lurking, with nothing else. The only reason that this post was made was to "prove" that she wasn't lurking. You seemed pretty active during the early part of the day. I know that being scum and having a wagon on you is draining, but you should still try to post more.

[Final Fires]

@mod: will post as much as possible but will have internet issues over the next few days

For that reason alone...

"Most learnt from lynch" is not a good reason by itself. If you think she is scummy vote her, otherwise don't (1. she could be a town powerrole, 2. you almost always learn more from hitting scum). If you think bob is scum and darla isn't you should be arguing against the still-not-inevitable darla lynch. I'm suspicious that you'd really support a lynch for that reason.

It's no secret I think bob is scum and want him out. If we lynch darla, and she flips town, his fate is sealed. Striker and Bub will also be top suspects. If she flips scum, then ender (and maybe myself) will be a top priority to out. Either way she flips, the next lynch lends to lynching someone who I think is scum, excluding myself obviously. On the flipside, if we vote off ender and he flips scum, we know to vote off whiskey, bub, darla, or rekirsts next. If he flips town, we have pretty much nothing, other than whiskey looking less suspicious. If we vote off bob, and he flips scum, we don't have much to go off of other than a few confirmed townies (not really even confirmed - they could be bussing). If he flips town then Darla and I (and maybe flinter) will be the next candidates for a lynch.

By voting darla, I'm ensuring that no matter what happens tonight, we'll at least learn something important for tommorow's vote. It would be horrible if our first lynch didn't go the way we expected, and on Day 2 we're sitting here with almost no new information, and on top of that a dead townie.

I've made all the points I can against ender and bob, but as of now a majority of people think Darla's wishy-washy voting is scummier than people who act scummy, but get away with it because "that's just how they play". It's Day 1 and each case has a lot of flaws, pros, and cons. I can see the benefit of voting for Darla, and overall I thought the pros outweighed the cons. I would prefer a bandwagon on bob, but I don't think that people will support that vote until we've voted off Darla.

FF work on reading comprehension. <---- serious statement

Please lynch me =/= don't lynch me you'll be sorry

etc.

this is annoying

"Please lynch me" in a sarcastic manner = don't lynch me you'll be sorry

No response for my other points? Unless the 'etc' was meant as an answer to them?

[Jahudo]

I don't think Darla would be a good information lynch. There haven't been large enough counter-wagons to speculate whether scum might need to push her very hard. I'm talking even wagons. So just because Bub and bob have been more vocal about her than others does not mean they would need or want to do that as scum.

I really don't understand your rationale for not voting bob, FF. Do you think your vote would distract people from both a bob and darla wagon?

[Jahudo]

EBWOP: I don't think anyone is a good information lynch today, nor do I think we should have to use that as motivation to lynch someone. Connections will form naturally.

[CryMeARiver]

Big post is in the making. Anti Prod

[Yosarian2]

Ender is being replaced, huh?

He's still my main suspect, based on his play, so I'm going to leave my vote on him for now. I'll be interested to hear what his replacement says; hopefully we'll be able to get a firmer read on the player slot based on the replacement.

[bobsnox]

FF

Lynch me is a request.

Do it. Stop bussing Darla, stop redefining the English language, and do it. I

want you to do it

.

Try to twist that.

I really don't understand your rationale for not voting bob, FF. Do you think your vote would distract people from both a bob and darla wagon?

What's not to understand? He knows I'm town and he doesn't want the autowagon to form on him tomorrow.

[Yosarian2]

FF

Lynch me is a request.

Do it. Stop bussing Darla, stop redefining the English language, and do it. I

want you to do it

.

Try to twist that.

Yes, it's a request. It's also an incredibly scummy thing to say, because no pro-town person should ever say "lynch me" and mean it. That would be incredibly anti-town, and in complete violation of the town win condition. The only person who should say something like that is a scum who's being manipulative.

What's not to understand? He knows I'm town and he doesn't want the autowagon to form on him tomorrow.

...what?

If you demand over and over again to be lynched, you'll probably be lynched. There wouldn't be any "autowagon" in response, either; later, if anyone says "Hey, why was bob lynched?" the response would be "Oh, Bob said we should lynch him" "Oh, ok, nevermind then." I don't see how you demanding to be lynched has anything to do with FF's alignment at all, no matter which way you flip.