Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[tanstalas]

VOTE: Unvote

[ReaperCharlie]

Holy sh1t tanstalas your new avatar is epic.

That is all.

[KageLord]

VOTE: nopointinactingup

I'll unvote if he can post the correct color code for the color in his role PM (it's just a bit different from the color in the OP, but he should be able to find it by quoting the PM and obviously not posting that and checking the code of the PM).

[nopointinactingup]

More Greens?! WTF is going on o_0?
@Kage: # zero zero Bee Eff zero zero, now stop bugging me with stupid tricks to make people think you are actually serious about voting me.
<3 Kast for pointing out MOI's bullshit talking.

[KageLord]

Well, 'twas worth a try. Either the fakeclaim includes the color (which is not unlikely) or he's telling the truth. Could easily still be the former, but I'm just a tiny bit less sure now.

[Andrius]

It WAS in the OP though.

I'm debating whether its better to attempt to lynch the SK or go after the Black Recruiter. :/ Touch choice imo.

[KageLord]

Oh.

Unvote

for now. Still have to decide on nopoint or tanny.

[Kdub]

Andy: Your request is doable, although you probably already knew I was going to say that since SpyreX confirmed us. I'm feeling a bit useless at the moment due to the flavor/color discussion and my lack of knowledge, but I trust you.

I still don't see a good argument for lynching possible/probable scum (nopoint) instead of confirmed scum (tans) today. We have lynched scum three days in a row and have gotten two additional scum deaths in three nights. Assuming the game was balanced to begin with, we have to be in pretty good shape at the moment.

[tanstalas]

Kdub - how am I confirmed scum? Andy said he did something but it didn't go through - he even said he may have been role blocked. Since we have not seen an RB flip I would say it is pretty safe to say one is in the game. If you are so sure I am scum then put a vote on me.

[Andrius]

@ Kdub: I know. <3 I'm just glad that we got our time before everyone else. Its nice to start this thing with someone I can rely on.

Yeah, but if we lynch scum we have to know we're taking out one whole color.
Why? Because the Black Corps can't recruit scum, so they'll go after townies when they can. Scum can kill each other. So Black can't take out scum. Scum can. So we're better off cutting out the Black. But if we can take out the last Red/sole Orange that's one less kill overall, and its a worthy cause I think.

[Kdub]

tans, you are like 99% scum, which is as good as confirmed as far as probabilities in mafia go. I have reasons to doubt that he was roleblocked which I won't get into.

I'm holding off on voting until Andy finishes whatever he's doing. We don't want to end the day before we're ready, like what happened yesterday.

[Dekes]

Theory:
If you look at the claims and the people who are probably scum, maybe we ARE dealing with an almost 4-4-4-4-4-4-1 setup after all.

If you take tans, nipau, MoI out of the list, throw in AGM instead of Kagelord and what's left? All 4's except for the green-blue discrepancy created by Kast who's definitely a good contender for the Black recruiter.


And now, Andy, work you magic! You've got all the claims, find us that Black recruiter.

[Andrius]

Theory:
If you look at the claims and the people who are probably scum, maybe we ARE dealing with an almost 4-4-4-4-4-4-1 setup after all.

If you take tans, nipau, MoI out of the list, throw in AGM instead of Kagelord and what's left? All 4's except for the green-blue discrepancy created by Kast who's definitely a good contender for the Black recruiter.


And now, Andy, work you magic! You've got all the claims, find us that Black recruiter.

Trust me, I've already considered 4:4:4:4:4:4:1.

I'd need a massclaim for that. Roles, actions, and all the related crap. BUT, I can work with what I have.
My goal for tomorrow is to decide whether its better to attempt to hit the Black Recruiter, or hit a scumbag today.

[Dekes]

Well, if Toog was any indication, I fear, your goals tomorrow (game day) might differ from your goals today.

[Andrius]

True. But the overall town *might* benefit from losing a scumdriven nightkill. Especially since if Black recruits a scumbag it won't work. (has yet to be proven, but it should hold water)

[Dekes]

But they don't have to go after scum necessarily with so much obvious town goodness floating around.

Anyway, I just pm'd dana something. I might be up for a regular scum lynch after that. But I definitely want to keep the Black recruiter topic around for a while today, make him feel nervous.

[Andrius]

They need to go after Black or else Black will grow to be larger than the other scum colors and then beat them out.

See, scum usually win by being larger than the town. The Cult will replace the town, so they need to kill him too.
They're best-off by focusing all energy, like us, on hunting down the black lantern recruiter. After he's dead they can resume killing us and each other.

But as long as Black Recruiter lives he will beat out the other scumteams. Because he's essentially a fourth scumteam. A scumteam that's always growing.

And even the SK stands no chance here, once the town is dead.

[Dekes]

Well, I advocate a Kast kill tonight. Dear scum, do us and yourselves a favor and rid ourselves from this nasty cult, thus giving each of us a decent shot at winning this game.

Seriously, what exactly are the pro-town benefits for being able to change colors? Maybe I'm just not seeing them, but I do see them for a scum/3rd party role to (fakeclaim?)-switch between two town colors.

[Andrius]

I think he has powers respective to each color.
If he didn't have a power as blue I would've switched D1. If he doesn't have a power when green he wouldn't have switched at all, IMO.
Odd though, that the Black Cult showed up N3, after both Plum's death and Kast's color swap. I'm no flavor expert, but yeah.

[The Stove]

Ok.

I'm pretty thoroughly confused at this point, being that the whole 4x4x4x etc shit was blown to smithereens, and that there are a ton of people and black people now running everywhere.

What I do know is that during signups, I picked my girlfriend's brain about anything Green Lantern. She's a comic book person, I am not.

All I was able to glean was that Blue needs Green to survive, flavorwise. Since Blue is Hope and you can't have Hope without Willpower and all that shit.

I dunno if this means ANYTHING, but maybe someone with more flavor knowledge than I can use that to our advantage.

Also, I think we should lynch Tans.

[MagnaofIllusion]

UNVOTE: Stephoscope

VOTE: NoPoint

I’m going to further elaborate on why I think NoPoint’s claim is bad and he is scum other than the copious other things arlready said.

1. Site Meta – Hider is the go to fake-claim for scum here on MS. In games I have played where a Hider has been claimed not a single one has been an actual Hider, IIRC. Espeonage claimed Hider as scum in Wolframhart’s Mini Normal. I claimed Hider in /invitational 8. I’ve read many other games with Hider claims that ended up being fake ( of the top of my head I remember Incognitio ran a no-night game around the same time as Wolframhart where with a fake hider claim). The only time I actually recall a Hider being a Hider is in Castlevania Mafia which I co-modded with Kdub.

2. My role makes me think very much that a Hider doesn’t fit into the Town PR structure.

NoPoint’s failure to ONCE AGAIN point out his breadcrumbs, his blatant buddying (which he does as scum … see Mini 1040 from kunkstar for evidence of that), or his failure to elaborate on his empty suggestions is noted.

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I was referring to the point Andy asked us to vote a PR and you voted a VT (he was a VT right - on phone and slow to check)

Anyhow you only failed at reading today, its a daily thing for me

Yeah, I did totally fail to see the PR part of the request. Self-face palm.

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@Andy

– I’m fine with your plan as it stands.

Also, with a claim like Hal Jordan, KageLord is either legit. HJ or Siniestro.

QFT.

I'm debating whether its better to attempt to lynch the SK or go after the Black Recruiter. :/ Touch choice imo.

Just curious as to why the Red Mafia (aks AGM) isn’t included on this list? Lynching them would be functionally equivalent to lynching the SK at this point.

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Well, if Toog was any indication, I fear, your goals tomorrow (game day) might differ from your goals today.

So why do you only worry about his goals tomorrow? Andy claimed [REDACTED], Blue Lantern in one of his first posts and got confirmed in some manner early. If there is a full blown Black cult running around wouldn’t you think he would be a prime recruit earlier rather than later?

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Your refusal to admit any possible motivation for scum to try protecting their buddies is what's stupid. The obvious motive for trying to save your buddies is because it directly contributes to your chances of winning by having your team survive (more votes, more powers, more "hitpoints", etc.). Other potential motives could include being GF trying to draw a cop, being a less valuable PR/Vanilla who would be less harmful for your team to lose, setting up for the "defending scum-buddies is too scummy to be scum" crap-logic defense that you're using now, or trying to distract & gain townpoints by focusing on a competing scum-lynch (NPIAU) (not an exhaustive list).

I don’t see the any possible motivation to defend Yellow Scum-buddies because I am not Yellow scum. You don't know that of course but I can't entertain a notion I know is incorrect. This whole block is a cornucopia of speculation. Your POV here automatically dismisses the possibility that I am Town trying to hunt my top scum suspect. Your are simply filtering events through your personal bias.

Your motive obviously was not trying to reveal yourself as scum. Claiming that people are pushing that ridiculous argument just evades the actual point. Your defense further assumes that both Yellow lynches were forgone conclusions at the time you tried to divert them.

However, MoI-scum trying to save his buddies would obviously think there was a chance to save his buddies and thus no suspicion would come from that.

MoI-scum also wouldn't know that xvart was about to claim scum in thread,

and despite your claim to the contrary, you didn't actually argue against xvart's lynch after he claimed.

Bold added for emphasis to two sections …

First bolded - You can say this but actively pushing alternate lynches to two Yellow scum in a row would be completely stupid as a Yellow Mafia member. Sorry, it just is. We disagree and no amount of arguing is going to change that.

Second bolded – How exactly do you know that MoI-scum wouldn’t have known what xvart was planning? Do you know scum don’t have Daytalk? You don’t think xvart, who had been labelled scum by Kdub the previous Day wouldn’t discuss the possibilities with his partners? I’m curious how you come to this absolute conclusion without tons of information that Town would lack.

As far as Tans defending his buddy; Tans is already caught and your lynch is pretty likely after Tans flips (that would make this the third and only successful time you've pushed for NPIAU instead of a caught Yellow-scum). He doesn't exactly have much to lose if he hurts you; but if he can get his buddy *confirmed* as town, then that's a no-brainer move.

So you are saying that it would be possible at all for Tans to attempt to defend someone in thread and then flip Yellow and it would be credible at all that he could clear said person? That’s moronic.

If anything it would be much more likely Tans would work hard to incriminate someone not on his team, especially one who others have already labelled likely Yellow.

The same motivation that makes you correct when people publicly voice thoughts that you softclaimed anything else.
The clause about prematurely giving up your color choices doesn't seem at all relevant to this point. From context, your "first choice" was something you thought would be obvious to others; your implication that correcting Toog would require some strange and/or risky thought process is inconsistent with "prematurely" softclaiming your first choice.

So what is this nebulous motivation you say? What scum-hunting would come out of correcting him? Give me something actually specific.

[tanstalas]

Also, I think we should lynch Tans.

I agree. I think you and Kdub need to shit or get off the pot and vote for me. I'm pretty sure I am dead tonight as the scum groups know I am not on their team so there are 3 things that can happen today:

1)Lynch me, which results in a no - lynch and we go to night (PRO:No townies die, CON:No scum or black lanterns die)
2)Lynch NPIAU who might be SK (PRO:We take out SK and we have 1 less kill tonight, CON:He actually is green)
3)Lynch Kagelord who I think may be Recruiter, dunno (PRO:If Recruiter we take him out, CON: might be green - lol doubt it very much, will explain later)
4)Lynch MOI (PRO:Take out a yellow scum, CON:Still have a possible 4 kills tonight if he isn't yellow)

Upon thinking, I think NPIAU may actually be Green, he has an abilty that makes him basically immune to night kills and I have one that makes me immune to DK's - we are kind of like two peas in the same pod. If he was an even day vig I'd say we were one person split in half, though I am sure he would have said if he was an even day vig.

Anyhow, even if MoI and I were yellow scum it would NOT do us any good, there will still be at least a possible 3 kills tonight (red, yellow SK) plus another recruit for black. You can see where I am going with this. We NEED to take out SK, Red scum or Recruiter TODAY.

If we have 6 town and 5 "other" (SK, Red, Yellow, Yellow, Black) we as town are FUCKED without taking out SK, Red or recruiter we will have at least another possible 3 deaths - and if they all hit town we will be at 3/5 IF black doesnt take another townie in which case it will be 2/6.

If you think I am yellow and you are TOWN and are saying you should vote for me you need to re-evaluate. Yellow is NOT the threat. Red, SK or Recruiter is the threat. If we do not hit one of those 3 today I think we may be screwed.

[The Stove]

BTW, that post was AGar. This one is too.

We should definitely lynch Tans.

I think Zito said we should in QT. Checking.

He did.

VOTE: Tanstalas

[tanstalas]

LOL, Stove, if you weren't cleared by Starbuck before she died... lol

Seriously, you vote for me, when asked what color you think I will flip you said you don't care what color... Gotta ask you, are you fucking retarded? Did you even read my post? If you think I am yellow you should not be voting me. RED, ORANGE, BLACK. That is what you should be concentrating on.

[AlmasterGM]

@Tanstalas - maybe you answered this before, but I forget - do you have INFINITE protection against day lynches or is it just one shot?

@Andrius - Have you used your MAGIC POWERZ and caught the cult yet?