Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Kast]

@Shane Thompson Claim-
Btw, for you guys with no background, Shane Thompson as a character did not exist until the NOV 2010 issue of Green Lantern Comics which wasn't released until Nov 17th.

[Andrius]

Please read carefully. I explicitly stated I think Blue Brother is either Andy OR Kdub. You are Andy. I have no clue what you mean by lesser of the two. I'm offering a means to prove that I am a PR since you think demonstrable PR-ness is sufficient proof of being a non-Black Recruiter.

Funny story actually. We were introducing ourselves last night and I called myself Andy. (My name isn't Andy IRL.)
Don't worry about the "lesser" thing. I'm trying to get something across in the event I turn up dead.
I know that, but its not the only thing I'm looking for. More pieces of the puzzle, see? If we had let nopoint get away with god-knows-what under the guise of Hiding we'd be really shitty players.
Its a combination of things: VT claims, unproveable PRs, lurky play, lots of speculation without much definite "X is scum", not wanting to step on toes, etc.
If you look at Succession Mafia, both Animorpherv1, Flameaxe, and Quagmire were under the radar and very non-confrontational for the most part. Very friendly without commiting to reads outside of their group.

I'm not sure Redirecting would even work, given that one of us (at least) is bound to eat a NK tonight. :/

Kdub knows what I was trying to get at with the "are your abilities conditional" thing.

From Kdub and your soft claiming, I'm guessing you both have abilities that power up others and that might be dependent on color and/or PR/Operative status.

We have similar abilities that operate in the same way. So when we cross-targeted earlier it confirmed both of us to each other.

[Kast]

@Andy-
I'm pretty sure that my redirection happens before almost anything else (I grilled Dana and RC about how my abilities work and how they would interact with hypothetical roles when I got the PM...dana got sick of my questions and they didn't want to answer most of them, but I gather my redirection should be first).

I'm not sure Redirecting would even work, given that one of us (at least) is bound to eat a NK tonight. :/

If Black controls an NK, I am definitely their top kill choice. That clears me, but at that point, clearing me becomes a non-issue. My guess is that scum have a better grasp of the full game setup by virtue of being scum and knowing what kills/unclaimed PRs were theirs. They probably realize I'm legit (also, the potentially missing Red kill from N1 might be due to my RB of SF...in which case Red KNOWS I'm telling the truth). From that, I agree with Dekes' earlier point that claiming likely reduces my chances of colored-scum killing me.
You getting NKed doesn't stop me from getting cleared. You announce who I should redirect you to and as long as either you or that person is still alive, that should be good. If you die, your secret target can counter-claim the public target if he is lying/recruited.

This applies equally to Kdub if his ability would work better.

I know that, but its not the only thing I'm looking for. More pieces of the puzzle, see? If we had let nopoint get away with god-knows-what under the guise of Hiding we'd be really shitty players.
Its a combination of things: VT claims, unproveable PRs, lurky play, lots of speculation without much definite "X is scum", not wanting to step on toes, etc.
If you look at Succession Mafia, both Animorpherv1, Flameaxe, and Quagmire were under the radar and very non-confrontational for the most part. Very friendly without commiting to reads outside of their group.

This sounds like you're arguing a NPIAU lynch. Is that what you're saying? Because I agree eliminating NPIAU and one NK with him would be great, but I don't really see how that ties in with the rest of your post.

Kdub knows what I was trying to get at with the "are your abilities conditional" thing.

I figured that. I'm assuming it's the "Blue Trade Secret" that you keep hinting at.

[AlmasterGM]

Ok, on the one hand, Kast's claim was pretty FUCKING ABSURD.

On the other hand, it seems almost TOO ABSURD for Black cult.

HMMMM.

Hmmm

Hm.

Andrius, what say you?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Magna: Oh. When I asked you to claim I was thinking fullclaim. I figured you were The Flash (and I was rather jealous of that fact, whereas I got some guy I didn't know lol).

Ok, full claim incoming.

I am The Flash (Bulletproof), member of the Blue Corps.

Paraphrased Flavor

– I’m the fastest man alive, so fast that no-one is able to get near me.

Breadcrumb from my first post –

F

irst let me say Greetings to all those I’ve Modded or played with and offer a warm Hello to those I don’t.

L

ooking at the player list the vast majority fall into the former category.

A

nswering AGM’s questions –

1.

S

econd choice.

H

ardly a surprise given how popular my first choice was.
2.

B

y stating I would be Vigging I surmise the question assumes I am of Town alignment, in which case I see no player on the player-list worthy of a policy Vig.
3.

L

et me simply repeat what I say in Choose Your Side when you asked the same question – there is nothing to gain by cheating in an online game where the only thing at stake is your pride.
4 / 5.

U

nder both scenarios I would offer a 50/50 split.

E

ach player in that sort of game isn’t doing anything significant to earn the money other than making smart choices.

B

y offering the decision maker less than an equal split I wouldn’t be making a smart choice.

P

ersonally I think only one response is appropriate -

I stripped out my quote of Toog and bolded the first letter of each full sentence to point out the crumb – It spells out FLASH BLUE BP.

Now it should be clear why I consider NoPoint’s Hider claim as not likely. I don’t see a Hider and a Bulletproof both as Town.

I will confirm that one of us was responsible for giving Jack the kill that he presumably used on SensFan.

Good. I wanted to be sure that when I went looking at kill numbers and sources that there was assurance the death of Jack made sense.

--

Bold is common to both possibilities. Italicized is not true. Town has a PR who can prevent townies from being recruited.

I want to be clear. Based on your initial claim your three NEW powers are also 1 shot. Is this incorrect? Because if it is a good assumption your statement isn’t valid as

1. A 1 shot Immunization and 1 shot Black Cop hardly qualifies as ‘significant’.
2. Your premature death via Scum (which could have been a possibility) would rob the Town of even that small power.

Also, I see we once again disagree on whether a Mod mechanic or a hidden cult recruiter is more bastardly. Shocking.

@Kast

– Dekes asked a good question that you have not answered that I can see. Please do so in your next post.

You say that KK made up a rather obscure name in fear of getting cc'd. So what does that make him exactly? If he's scum do you think he a) didn't get a mod provided fakeclaim, b) was provided a poor fakeclaim of a character not taking part in the Blackest Night that could expose him or c) ignored the mod given fakeclaim and made up his own?

[AlmasterGM]

So one of nopoint and MoI is scum.

BUT WHICH ONE.

THEY'RE BOTH SCUMMY.

Magna not being dead makes me think Magna LOL CHECK OUT THAT WIOFM.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Magna not being dead makes me think Magna LOL CHECK OUT THAT WIOFM.

It so nice of you to take on the character of your color (Red being mindless rage, with a highlight on the mindless part)!

But it looks like you are getting a pass from the rope today, obv-Red Lantern.

BTW, where's your response to where I dissected your scumtastic attack earlier? Oh that's right it's nowhere, just like any other time anyone calls you on your scum play. Because you don't have one. Lulz.

[Andrius]

I'm leaning nopoint, just based of how his role and my role cannot interact. Even if he doesn't hide.

It so nice of you to take on the character of your color (Red being mindless rage, with a highlight on the mindless part)!

I'm a bit skeptical of your claim, but since you're probably Yellow if non-town at all, you're good for now.

I'm busy now, but will respond to Kast later on.

[tanstalas]

@Tanstalas - maybe you answered this before, but I forget - do you have INFINITE protection against day lynches or is it just one shot?

Infinite. As long as it is day I am invulnerable.

Tans

- Why badger players who suspect you to vote for you and immediately call those votes into question as poorly reasoned? Did you think that somehow that would serve some sort of scum-hunting purpose?

Because it is poorly reasoned, he is voting for me based on that he just thinks I am scum and not caring about the color of scum I supposedly am. If I was yellow, lynching me would be a waste because there will still be at least 3 kills tonight and could take town numbers way down.

Can you elaborate on your KageLord = Black recruiter theory?

Whoops, I meant Kast and just basically the reason why was the whole 'hai guys I started out as blue but I'm green now' and well, we have quite a few greens already. I could see there being more green than other corps, but this is just whacky. (though looking at it later other people said this could make sense flavor wise)

LOL reading further he claims JoaT? lulz, and a doc.. why not protect Vi or Andy N1?

Oh nvm, he explains his reasoning..

OK just got caught up and I agree with MoI about there being a slim chance of a hider and a bulletproof townie, I think one (or both) of them is lying.

I think we should take BR (Kast) or SK (NPIAU is a good suspect for that or even MoI) with his bullet-proofiness claim would make excellent choices

I am on board with any of the above three lynches

[AlmasterGM]

Magna not being dead makes me think Magna LOL CHECK OUT THAT WIOFM.

It so nice of you to take on the character of your color (Red being mindless rage, with a highlight on the mindless part)!

But it looks like you are getting a pass from the rope today, obv-Red Lantern.

BTW, where's your response to where I dissected your scumtastic attack earlier? Oh that's right it's nowhere, just like any other time anyone calls you on your scum play. Because you don't have one. Lulz.

I like how you are so obsessed with making me RED because you are RED and you need that read to go away.

I'll be the one LULZING later when you flip RED.

And I don't know where your attack is, but I have some free time now so if you link me to it I'd respond.

[tanstalas]

Magna not being dead makes me think Magna LOL CHECK OUT THAT WIOFM.

It so nice of you to take on the character of your color (Red being mindless rage, with a highlight on the mindless part)!

But it looks like you are getting a pass from the rope today, obv-Red Lantern.

BTW, where's your response to where I dissected your scumtastic attack earlier? Oh that's right it's nowhere, just like any other time anyone calls you on your scum play. Because you don't have one. Lulz.

I like how you are so obsessed with making me RED because you are RED and you need that read to go away.

I'll be the one LULZING later when you flip RED.

And I don't know where your attack is, but I have some free time now so if you link me to it I'd respond.

Why do you think he is red when everyone else thinks he is yellow?

[Kdub]

Sorry for lack of content the past few days, it's been a bit of a crazy week for me.

Kast, I won't get into an argument about whether your actions were the "correct" plays to make or not. I'll just say that I do not believe that you, as town, would make the choices you say you did, and I'll leave it at that. As far as your plan to confirm your redirecting ability, Andy is right that I have good reason to believe it will not work on our abilities. For all intents and purposes, assume our actions are unblockable/unredirectable.

I'm still not feeling good about a nopoint lynch today, given our options. I could probably go for a Kast lynch since he's looking very much like scum with a bad fakeclaim, and is probably Black if that's the case. I would then recommend any town players who have a vig opportunity tonight to use it on tans.

[tanstalas]

I'd recommend against vigging me if you have the ability. It would be a wasted shot, the scum will probably take me out tonight as they wouldn't want to be vigged tomorrow night by me. Take out a suspected scum (not me) tonight if you have a shot. Tomorrow if I am still alive I will have my vig shot and can take out someone, I'll even let you pick, Kdub

[Kdub]

The scum (that is, the other scum that aren't on your team) won't touch you. If you somehow survive the night, you are definitely tomorrow's lynch.

[tanstalas]

The scum (that is, the other scum that aren't on your team) won't touch you. If you somehow survive the night, you are definitely tomorrow's lynch.

Fail logic is fail

[Kast]

@MoI-
-Actually, I specifically did not list the #-shots of any of my new abilities. I don't think it is at all helpful to share how many people I can protect; but I will say I have a much better night action than proving myself by redirecting Andy or Kdub.

@Kast – Dekes asked a good question that you have not answered that I can see. Please do so in your next post.

You say that KK made up a rather obscure name in fear of getting cc'd. So what does that make him exactly? If he's scum do you think he a) didn't get a mod provided fakeclaim, b) was provided a poor fakeclaim of a character not taking part in the Blackest Night that could expose him or c) ignored the mod given fakeclaim and made up his own?

@KK fake claiming-
(c) I'm guessing he got a Green fake-claim (potentially Violet or Blue, but I'm doubting Indigo). Since he claimed late/last (Kdub had essentially claimed Blue), Indigo was the only group with less than 4 members.

@Kdub-
-You think I as town would not make certain actions, but you think I as scum would false claim actions that I as town would not make?
-Given that Spyrex was able to copy at least one of you guys abilities; I think you're mistaken about your ability happening "first". But to be clear then, you do not want to be redirected.

Also, I'll be very amused if Black Recruits me tonight and I get subsequently lynched tomorrow.

[Andrius]

As far as your plan to confirm your redirecting ability, Andy is right that I have good reason to believe it will not work on our abilities. For all intents and purposes, assume our actions are unblockable/unredirectable.

I agree with this.
Also, Kdub, what do you think of Kast's Blue-powers NOT working like ours? You know, the Trade Secret and all.

[Kublai Khan]

Neat. Kast is now claiming that the Black Lantern cult is a figment of our imagination, despite the fact that his "role" specifically lists an immunity to their recruitment.

This is just playing stupid. There may be a Black Recruiter, or it may be a mechanic controlled by Plum, or some non-player controlled mechanic.

Except that we can't vote for Plum and this isn't a bastard mod game. And I don't want to hear your arguments about how you consider any cult mechanic to be a bastard mod thing. Look around, you are the only person arguing in favor of your crazy conspiracy theories involving dead purple fruit.

Dana has come out and publicly admitted Tomar Re was a mistake.

Can you show me where this happened? I can't find it.

Does your flavor indicate in any way why you're part of the Blackest Night here?

Nope. Blackest Night is only mentioned in the title of the PM and even then only as an abbreviation for the mafia game. My paragraph is just a generic origin story for the character (trapped under an ambulance, blah blah blah), I have no abilities, and I have an Indigo ring for an item. Along with the cavaet that if I lose my ring, then I lose my powers.

Which I find funny because my bio states that Proselyte inhabits my body and as such I don't need a ring.

My character picture isn't even from the Blacknest Night series.

@MoI-

1. A mod directed mechanic that ostensibly penalizes the Town

(by segregating the Town into two faction which cannot win together) but does not affect Scum and that

neither Town

nor Scum has any significant way to deal with.

Bold is common to both possibilities. Italicized is not true. Town has a PR who can prevent townies from being recruited.

What if you had been killed on N1? Town would lose it's only way to stop a non-player mechanic. Can you seriously not see how incredibly badly balanced your theoretical setup is? I honestly never want to join a game that you have a hand in setting up.

@KK fake claiming-
(c) I'm guessing he got a Green fake-claim (potentially Violet or Blue, but I'm doubting Indigo). Since he claimed late/last (Kdub had essentially claimed Blue), Indigo was the only group with less than 4 members.

When you're bored. Go back and look at my first post. When I answered AlmasterGM's questions, I was the only one to let the second person get the majority of the cash. Awfully

COMPASSIONATE

of me, huh?

@Andrius: You're the de facto town leader. You've got a majority willing to lynch either Kast (Black) or nopointinactingup (Orange). Either of these would be a good play for today. Where are you in your decision process?

[Andrius]

@Andrius: You're the de facto town leader. You've got a majority willing to lynch either Kast (Black) or nopointinactingup (Orange). Either of these would be a good play for today. Where are you in your decision process?

Yeah, and I'm trying to decide who to lynch. We *could* leave Black for the scumbags, and I am more certain in my Orange read...

BUT. I think I'm going to reread the thread.
Why? We have a shitload of flipped scumbags and townies. If we can nail down some of them/ strengthen my own reads then I'll feel much better going into the lynch.
I *should* have time to do it tomorrow morning.

[Kdub]

Kast:
I think you, as scum, were limited in that you needed to come up with plausible actions that couldn't be contradicted by anybody. You can try to redirect me if you want, but I'm telling you it would be worthless.

LOL tans thinks he could somehow draw a scum nightkill tonight.

Andy:
I don't think the fact that his claimed role doesn't work the same way as ours is a conclusive piece of evidence (unless there are flavor reasons that all blue roles would likely function the same way). He's still scum though. What is your view on the "lynch Kast, vig tans" idea?

[Andrius]

I agree with your LOL at tanny.

Yeah, I know. I just thought it was worth looking into.
I'm down with that, but if he doesn't flip Black (less likely) then we'll need to Vig correctly on Black.

[Kast]

@KK-
We agree that cult recruiting isn't bastard modding. That's not what I said. Playing in a semi-open game with a mod confirmed list of factions and adding a faction that is not one of those (ie. mod lying to players about the setup) is bastard modding by definition.

-The confirmation used to be here but has since been redacted. It was pretty clearly in response to MoI pointing out Tomar Re as an example of bastard flavor. I'm sure others besides me read it.

-

Which I find funny because my bio states that Proselyte inhabits my body and as such I don't need a ring.

Which is also funny because Shane Thompson/Proseylte

does not have a ring

.

-Lol. Do you intentionally read bits and pieces while ignoring parts that you dislike, or are you genuinely bad at reading? If recruiting is a Plum controlled OR mod-controlled mechanic that triggered on Plum's death, then keeping Plum alive is something well within town's capabilities as one means of handling it. Additionally, if the recruiting is a mod-controlled (or even player controlled), it likely has some kind of limits.

-A 55/45 split isn't very compelling. Also, you're wrong- Toogloo offered the full 100 to the other player; xvart offered 70/30 or 60/40 - I suppose that's par the course for you?

@Dana-

Was there a reason for redacting your post?

[danakillsu]

@ Kast
Yes, there was a reason. It was not untrue, but I decided it was information that was not needed.

[The Stove]

I'm not splitting town up in this, all town are green. Toogeloo isn't included cuz who knows what went on there. Also I'm posting this pretty much raw, inb4 IIoA.

tanstalas [6] -

Katsuki

,

SpyreX

, Kublai Khan,

Plum

,

Jack

, Kdub
Kdub [5] -

Vi

,

Fate

, Andrius, tanstalas,

xRECKONERx

SensFan

[3] - AlmasterGM, MagnaofIllusion, nopointinactingup
Andrius [1] -

Starbuck

Katsuki

[1] -

SensFan

MagnaofIllusion [1] -

dramonic

SpyreX

[1] -

xvart

Toogeloo [1] -

Guderian

xRECKONERx

[1] - KageLord

Not voting [5] - Dekes, Kast,

Stephoscope

, The Stove, Toogeloo

Kdub [6] -

Vi

,

Fate

, Andrius, tanstalas,

Katsuki

, The Stove
tanstalas [4] -

SpyreX

,

Plum

, Kdub,

Guderian

SensFan

[2] - MagnaofIllusion, AlmasterGM

SpyreX

[2] - Kublai Khan,

xvart

xRECKONERx

[2] - KageLord, nopointinactingup
Andrius [1] -

Starbuck

Katsuki

[1] -

SensFan

MagnaofIllusion [1] -

dramonic

nopointinactingup [1] -

xRECKONERx

Starbuck

[1] -

Jack

Not voting [4] - Dekes, Kast,

Stephoscope

, Toogeloo

SensFan

[6] - AlmasterGM, nopointinactingup,

xRECKONERx

,

Fate

,

Katsuki

,

Vi

tanstalas [4] -

SpyreX

,

Plum

, Kdub,

Guderian

Starbuck

[3] -

Jack

, The Stove, MagnaofIllusion

Katsuki

[2] -

SensFan

, tanstalas

xRECKONERx

[2] - KageLord,

xvart

Andrius [1] -

Starbuck

Guderian

[1] - Dekes

Jack

[1] - Toogeloo
Kdub [1] - Andrius
MagnaofIllusion [1] -

dramonic

SpyreX

[1] - Kublai Khan

Not voting [2] - Kast,

Stephoscope

SensFan

[8] - AlmasterGM, nopointinactingup,

xRECKONERx

,

Fate

,

Katsuki

,

Vi

, Andrius,

SpyreX

Starbuck

[3] -

Jack

, The Stove, MagnaofIllusion
tanstalas [3] -

Plum

, Kdub,

Guderian

Guderian

[2] - Dekes,

Stephoscope

Katsuki

[2] -

SensFan

, tanstalas

xRECKONERx

[2] - KageLord,

xvart

Andrius [1] -

Starbuck

Jack

[1] - Toogeloo
MagnaofIllusion [1] -

dramonic

SpyreX

[1] - Kublai Khan

Not voting [1] - Kast

Guderian

[7] - Dekes,

Stephoscope

,

Plum

, nopointinactingup, The Stove,

xRECKONERx

,

Vi

SensFan

[4] - AlmasterGM, Andrius,

Fate

,

Katsuki

Katsuki

[2] -

SensFan

, tanstalas

Starbuck

[2] -

Jack

, MagnaofIllusion
tanstalas [2] - Kdub,

Guderian

xRECKONERx

[2] - KageLord,

xvart

Andrius [1] -

Starbuck

Jack

[1] -

SpyreX

MagnaofIllusion [1] -

dramonic

SpyreX

[1] - Kublai Khan

Not voting [2] - Kast, Toogeloo

Guderian

[10] - Dekes,

Stephoscope

,

Plum

, nopointinactingup, The Stove,

xRECKONERx

,

Vi

,

SpyreX

, Kdub, tanstalas

SensFan

[4] - AlmasterGM, Andrius,

Katsuki

,

Fate

Starbuck

[2] - MagnaofIllusion, Toogeloo

xRECKONERx

[2] - KageLord,

xvart

Andrius [1] -

Starbuck

Katsuki

[1] -

SensFan

MagnaofIllusion [1] -

dramonic

SpyreX

[1] - Kublai Khan
tanstalas [1] -

Guderian

Not voting [2] -

Jack

, Kast

Katsuki

[7] -

Starbuck

, Andrius, The Stove, tanstalas, Dekes,

Fate

, KageLord
nopointinactingup [4] -

SpyreX

,

Katsuki

,

Plum

, MagnaofIllusion

SensFan

[4] - Kast, AlmasterGM, Toogeloo, nopointinactingup

Not voting [6] -

Jack

, Kdub, Kublai Khan,

SensFan

,

Stephoscope

,

xvart

Katsuki

[10] -

Starbuck

, The Stove, tanstalas, Dekes,

Fate

, KageLord,

xvart

, Kdub,

SpyreX

, Andrius

SensFan

[4] - Kast, AlmasterGM, Toogeloo, nopointinactingup
nopointinactingup [3] -

Katsuki

,

Plum

, MagnaofIllusion

Not voting [4] -

Jack

, Kublai Khan,

SensFan

,

Stephoscope

Katsuki

[11] -

Starbuck

, The Stove, tanstalas, Dekes,

Fate

, KageLord,

xvart

, Kdub,

SpyreX

, Kast, Andrius
nopointinactingup [3] -

Katsuki

,

Plum

, MagnaofIllusion

SensFan

[2] - AlmasterGM, nopointinactingup

Not voting [4] -

Jack

, Kublai Khan,

SensFan

,

Stephoscope

xvart

[9] -

SpyreX

, nopointinactingup, Dekes, KageLord, Toogeloo, The Stove, Andrius, Kast, tanstalas
nopointinactingup [2] - Kublai Khan, MagnaofIllusion

SensFan

[2] - AlmasterGM,

xvart

Not voting [3] -

Jack

, Kdub,

SensFan

Going strictly from this:
– MagnaofIllusion has never voted known Yellow. He was on Red (SensFan) and Town (Starbuck) on Day 1 and then sat on Unflipped (nopoint) for Days 2 and 3.

– KageLord happily sat on Town (Reck) all of Day 1 and had no issues wagoning our Yellow pair Days 2 and 3..

– tanstalas has been on all 3 scum lynches. Was on Unflipped early (Kdub) and also Yellow early (Katsuki).

– Dekes was the first on Red (Guderian) until lynch and early on both Yellows.

– Kublai Khan has never voted known scum. He started on Unflipped (tans) then sat on Town (SpyreX) the rest of Day 1. Day 2 he never voted. Day 3 he was on Unflipped (nopoint).

– Kast was missing Day 1. On Days 2 and 3 he was very late to both Yellow lynches.

– nopointinactingup - Was early on both major Red wagons (Sens / Guderian) with a brief intermission on Town (Reck). Day 2 was another Red (Sensfan) push, while Day 3 he was early on Yellow (xvart).

– Kdub stayed on Unflipped (tans) all of Day 1 until a very late switch onto the Red wagon (Guderian). He then was late onto the Day 2 Yellow wagon (Katsuki) and didn't vote Day 3.

– Andrius was on an Unflipped wagon (Kdub) Day 1 until it had completely fallen apart, arriving onto Red (SensFan) quite late. Andrius was also late to both Yellow wagons on Days 2 and 3.

– AlmasterGM basically only voted SensFan the whole game. lol


-PZ

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm a bit skeptical of your claim, but since you're probably Yellow if non-town at all, you're good for now.

I understand where you are coming. You have to be sceptical. That said I think NoPoint’s claim of Hider who CANNOT be targeted by anything if he hides and does NOT die after hiding behind scum is comically bad.

BUT. I think I'm going to reread the thread.
Why? We have a shitload of flipped scumbags and townies. If we can nail down some of them/ strengthen my own reads then I'll feel much better going into the lynch.
I *should* have time to do it tomorrow morning.

I don’t disagree at all with re-reading for clarity. That said you are the Town Lynchpin at this point so most players are waiting for your nod as which way to go.

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Because it is poorly reasoned, he is voting for me based on that he just thinks I am scum and not caring about the color of scum I supposedly am. If I was yellow, lynching me would be a waste because there will still be at least 3 kills tonight and could take town numbers way down.

This is basically a scum-claim, IMO. Town doesn’t really care, in the end, about the exact color of the player they lynch. Lynching scum is lynching scum. And Town, barring some sort of PR information, really will never be sure of the color of their scum candidate.

So the ‘Lynching me if you think I am Yellow is stupid’ is scumtastic. Lynching Scum is never stupid. It might not be optimal to get rid of a Yellow with a lynch but is still a net positive to Town.

I'd recommend against vigging me if you have the ability. It would be a wasted shot, the scum will probably take me out tonight as they wouldn't want to be vigged tomorrow night by me. Take out a suspected scum (not me) tonight if you have a shot. Tomorrow if I am still alive I will have my vig shot and can take out someone, I'll even let you pick, Kdub

‘Give me one more night to prove myself’ scum tell in full effect. Kast is using it also.

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I like how you are so obsessed with making me RED because you are RED and you need that read to go away.

I'll be the one LULZING later when you flip RED.

Wow, AGM has been visiting http://www.flailandfail.com! Not a single person has a Red read on me. Way to continue to fulfil the mindless part of the Red ‘mindless rage’.

I certainly can’t wait to endgame when I can throw this back in your face since you are so clearly wrong and flailing.

In fact you know what you are personifying? Scum Panic!!