Lost: Season Three (We Have to Go Back!)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

What.

CONFESS.

[Jedo the Jedi]

a) scum have more information than town;
b) in later Days, having information will help us find patterns and relationships;
c) you shouldn't be worried about being killed by scum or framed by scum if you're town, because your flip will provide loads of information (based on who accused you, who was on your wagon, who was against your wagon...all the kinds of things townies can use to help them solve the case);
d) you don't have to give a full list of your reads, but saying "some people did some stuff and I think they might be guilty but I don't want to nail them to the wall for it because I'm open-minded but not open-minded enough to let them off the hook" isn't really helpful. It also gives you the leeway to fill in the blanks later if you are scum. I shouldn't have to explain why that makes you scummy.

a) They do, but like I said, whatever information we put out there is more helpful to them than it is to town because it just creates WIFOM for town.
b) I do know that. You can in fact see some of that from my post. It may not be as cut-and-dry as you like it, but it's there.
c) I'm referring to night kills. Part of this game is being a good scumhunter while not drawing too much attention from scum. If I think I'm a good asset to town, I don't want to appear so very readily so scum will leave me alone.
d) There is no leeway there. I referenced the people I was talking about. You can check the votes and see who they are. Those people are suspicious. The only information I've kept back is how much I suspect each one.

Jedo playing like shit is apparently not unusual for him

I don't know what this means. You've played with me for a total of one game day.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Case on AGar:

Oh boy.

SSS and JasonT need to die. ASAP.

Dram needs the vig bullets early on. But this is becoming a common theme of mine. IF {dramonic in game} THEN {suggest early vigging}. Seriously. Happens a lot. But claiming deathmiller makes it more reasonable.

But yeah, SSS and JasonT - they're the ones that need to go.

Start with SSS, as he's keeping an avenue for Jason to stay out of real discussion for this character speculation.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Smashbro_of_the_SSS

Bella should probably start doing something worthwhile too, or she'll be getting a nice length of rope.

This has to be some of the flimsiest reasoning for targeting someone. jason was actually doing some scumhunting, and SSS also put up some solid reasoning on Fate. Then, that Bella comment at the bottom? She had done more than you when you said that.

Next two posts are nothing of note.

Jason, obviously you didn't read my post more than a glance.

You're scum for prolonging actually putting anything into this game, which you're still doing by saying "OMG WHY AM I SCUM TELL MEEEEEEE?!?!?!!"
Smashbro is scum for perpetuating non-scumhunting discussion, instead providing attempts to derail any useful attempts to do anything.


Let's lynch Bella/Jason/Smash. They're all good picks.

You obviously don't read very well yourself. jason has provided more to this game than you have. Only three of your posts have any substance, and almost all of it is poor. SSS has consistently pointed out suspicious things Fate is doing, and in asking for reasons for his vote (in order to defend himself) he has received next to no substantial reply. Plus, there you go again with your flimsy scum picks.

SSS's #230 is a total middling.

And the threesome of Jason/SSS/Bella CONTINUE to sidestep doing any form of real scumhunting here. Why haven't we run one of them up to L-1 yet?

Let's take the second line first. They aren't? Funny, you just called SSS's most recent post middling when it was actually scumhunting. He posted who he thought was suspicious. That's what you people want around here, isn't it, everyone to post a list of whom they find suspicious and why? Yet when they do it, they're clearly middling/waffling/wiffling/"being open-minded." Pfft.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Then, that Bella comment at the bottom? She had done more than you when you said that.

This is relevant how?

[Jedo the Jedi]

Then, that Bella comment at the bottom? She had done more than you when you said that.

This is relevant how?

I was pointing out a pot-kettle situation. If he wants to say Bella is suspicious for not posting something worthwhile, then he is even more suspicious for doing less. (It wasn't a defense of her, but it also isn't good reasoning.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Hypocrisy is irrelevant; it's a tell, not an absolute indicator and townies know they're town, so they have no motive to point to their own flaws. Furthermore, Agar clearly has stepped up since then, so it isn't even hypocrisy!

Pointing out hypocrisy is rhetoric; not scumhunting.

[vezokpiraka]

Why did you feel the need to say it wasn't a defense Jedo?

[chesskid3]

Sorry if I'm stagnating. Lot of work due tonight.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Furthermore, Agar clearly has stepped up since then, so it isn't even hypocrisy!

I disagree. Like I said, he's had three posts you could say have content (I quoted them), and the content is useless.

Pointing out hypocrisy is rhetoric; not scumhunting.

Fair enough, but if he uses that logic to find scum, what then? It's one of those simple things I've seen scum use to justify a lynch.

Why did you feel the need to say it wasn't a defense Jedo?

That was to say that lurkers and content-less posters are still suspicious in my book.

[Faraday]

What.

CONFESS.

I have nothing to confess.


Jedi looks supertown

[Primate]

Jedo is making sense. His AGar case was pretty legitimate. There were a couple of points I thought weak but sensible, and it was OK overall. I'm relatively comfortable with him. Didn't like SSS's last post much. Now I've got a few more posts of Mockinjaye, I like him more. Like Faraday less. Still not enough to read from Bella. I think Agar is playing badly this game, but that's not a read and I don't have one there yet.

Primate I'm worried about and I would call scummy, and I'd like to see him get in here and do some more posting too.

I slack a bit midweek due to a couple of regular pub quizes. I'm also rarely active enough to make multiple posts a day during the week anyway (weekends I pick up).

[dramonic]

this game is pretty open
And AGar is gonna hate me, oh well.

Fate + Chess + Vezok are obvtown

Faraday is obv obv obv scum

Bella/Jaye are likely buddies

CES is impossible to read, so I guess he is one too.

SSS is town because Faraday is obv buddying in an attempt to get towncred if SSS dies, or get SSS killed if he does.

Vote: Faraday

It's okay, we all have bad games once in a while.

[Faraday]

sss is town because i said so, try and keep up.

[vezokpiraka]

I think I thought Faraday was another person.

I don't know why I didn't vote you before. Your ISO contains a whole lot of nothing.

unvote
vote faraday

[Faraday]

IRON.

[Fate]

VOTE: Faraday

NOW this feels right.

[Faraday]

Oh no.

[Faraday]

you're all fucking morons.

desmond hume jack of all trades(1 track/1 neighbouriser/1 protect) + I know Charlie Pace is in the game and is town.

[chesskid3]

hmm i kinda like that>_>

Unvote

[Faraday]

Oh and charlie's obv now I guess, and can confirm if he needs to. I never do well with power roles it seems.

[Jedo the Jedi]

A third claim? At least this one seems normal to me.

I don't like Dramonic's post. I've already explained why I don't think lists of reads are good, and that one is the worst of its kind. Vague reads based probably on inconsequential stuff. I can't blame the vote though. As vezok said, his ISO does contain nothing (i.e. zero scumhunting).

Back to the claiming. What do we do about all of these unconfirmed claims? I definitely do not want to go running off and pile votes on someone else only to have them claim too. Like I mentioned before, I'm used to lynching a claimant on day 1 for analysis of votes and interplay, but Faraday is the only one who has had a traditional pressure->claim, and his claim actually sounds believable. I've been told why not lynching Dramonic is a good idea for now, so that leaves jason as a possibility if we go with my style. Plus, if we lynch jason, I guess we can test his bulletproof claim. (I think he mentioned something about living as long as she's alive...)

Anyway, until other people respond to Faraday's claim, I'm happy to stick with AGar. I'm not one to let someone out of my sights just because something flashy comes along.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Lynching people that have claimed is stupid. (And no, Jason didn't claim bulletproof. Learn who lovers work.)

Unvote, vote: Bella

[Jedo the Jedi]

Yeah, I saw. He said if his lover was killed overnight, he would live to see morning. Nowhere close to bulletproof.

Also, lynching people who have claimed is not necessarily stupid. If we just keep hopping around getting claims, we'll never know which are true and we'll just end up having a mass claim. (Ask chess how good an idea that is.) As I just found out in another game, just because the person has a reasonable sounding claim does not negate their scummy actions. If Faraday is so scummy, his really good claim shouldn't change that, especially not with the possibility of safe claims. (His lack of good content is suspicious, but not all that scummy. Sometimes though, I guess you can only catch them with tax evasion.)

[Faraday]

it's not that you don't lynch people who've claimed, it's that you don't lynch people with provable claims.

[Fate]

Why are people hopping off Faraday?