Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Kdub]

RTFP! I addressed this exact point in my post.

You presented two scenarios in which there is one Black (the recruiter) based on your "expected" setup, neither of which included you as scum. You did consider situations where you are scum in your scenarios where there are three Black scum, but it's misleading to point to that and say you "addressed" that point since the situation is different from your other one-black scum situation. What I am saying is that there is a huge number of situations (a large setup parameter-space if you will) which are not covered. It's hard to take you seriously when you focus on a limited number of scenarios and then complain about me not reading when I think you know very well that you are trying to cover for yourself. Your last post continues to take the most pessimistic views of the game situation rather than the most realistic. And if you think I am not following your reasoning properly or not reading your posts, I invite any other player to tell me that I'm wrong and that we actually shouldn't lynch you based on your numbers. Granted, some of the players favoring your lynch are probably scum, but the fact that not a single person has spoken out in support of you is a pretty good indication that your reasoning is not convincing.

I feel like this could go back and forth for a while unless someone else chimes in, so until somebody else brings up convincing points in favor of your argument, I'll back down and wait to see what Andy comes up with.

[Dekes]

Dekes, you a PR with an active ability?

You could say that, yes.

@Kage
What do you think of Kast? Who do you think is black? You've been avoiding these questions for far too long now.

Other than that the game is pretty much dead today. We have our suspect pool, we have our lynch candidates. Andy, it'd be best to make a decision tonight and get it over with. No need to turn this into a deadline lynch.

[Andrius]

Yo sorry I'm late.

Ok. So I read and am pulling my hair out over all the OVSCUM that we can't kill fast enough.

Tanstalas needs death. He's scum. And if he ISN'T he'll get killed tonight, since he claimed Vig. They won't wait until tomorrow night, when he can shoot again.
nopoint is obviously either Orange or Black. Why Black? He claimed untargettable.
I have a hunch in relation to Yellow PRs, but we don't need more speculation right now.
Kast also needs death, but I don't think lynching him is the best idea right about now. :/ I think we could keep him over a night and hope someone shoots him dead.

At this point I think we should do the following:
-> lynch tanstalas
either he A) dies and flips BIG scumbag (goon wouldn't claim unlynchable)
or B) he doesn't die and we go straight to night, where scum will probably shoot him

Scum need to shoot Black because he's a scumteam that GROWS.
I think I've said this enough times.

KILL LIST:

tanstalas
nopoint
Kast
AGM
KageLord

BILL

Kill-And-Be-Killed List

Kdub
Andy
Dekes

AND. IF FOR SOME REASON TANS IS LYNCHED AND FLIPS TOWN, WE WILL HAVE A SERIOUS TALK ABOUT TOWNIES LYING TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE WHOLE TOWN.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Andy -

If you think lynching Tans is the way to go then vote him. That's the signal the flock of Saint Walker sheep are all waiting to see.

Your vote is currently unused

[AlmasterGM]

ANDRIUS HATH SPOKEN. LET THE JUDGEMENT BE RIGHTEOUS.

Unvote. Vote: tanstalas

*cue Magna ranting about me being scum*

[MagnaofIllusion]

*cue Magna ranting about me being scum*

Lulz. At this stage I think the ranting is done. As long as you stop fighting the obviousness of it I have no need to keep showing why you so obviously are.

*cue AGM with a grand NO U! *

[Dekes]

Unvote; Vote: tans

Here's to hoping he'll flip something juicy like Orange.

[MagnaofIllusion]

This is my offical declaration of "I told you to lynch NoPoint instead" if Tans for some odd reason isn't scum.

That said,

UNVOTE: NoPoint
VOTE: Tans

L-2 with Andy waiting in the wings.

[Andrius]

Ummm, I was honestly expecting some discussion.
MoI's reaction isn't what I expected either.
Add him to the Kill List too. (If town, you'll just survive anyway, so. )

UGHUGHUGH.
I have confirmed scum result on tanstalas, but I still want to lynch nopoint_likely_SK.

[Andrius]

I'll hammer if need be, but was hoping for some sort of discussion. :/

[Dekes]

What color do you think tans will flip?

[Kdub]

I'm trusting you here Andy, I'll put my vote on tans whenever you give the go-ahead.

[Andrius]

Dekes, honestly, I don't know.
I'm operating more under the idea that he IS scum than what color he'll flip.

Which isn't the best strategy, of course.

I'd

like

him to flip orange.
But I still feel nopoint is orange, so. :/

Maybe we should lynch nopoint.

FFFFF

[MagnaofIllusion]

Now I’m starting to become very confused.

At this point I think we should do the following:
-> lynch tanstalas
either he A) dies and flips BIG scumbag (goon wouldn't claim unlynchable)
or B) he doesn't die and we go straight to night, where scum will probably shoot him

This does not say I’d rather lynch NoPoint. Grrr.

MoI's reaction isn't what I expected either.

Well I’ve been banging that drum for three days now and it has had NO momentum. I’ve gotten tired of fighting uphill on it. If you are more interested in hanging NoPoint I’ll 100% support that decision and will join you in a heartbeat.

I'll hammer if need be, but was hoping for some sort of discussion. :/

We’ve had discussion since the day began. I think cases for Tans, NoPoint, AGM, Kast and others have been made abundantly clear.

[The Stove]

FTR:

I'm pretty fried with this day honestly. If ya'll don't want to lynch Yellow I think that's a mistake (reminder: scum factions need to off other scum factions just as much as town) BUT next best thing is sk/black recruiter guy. So I'm cool with a NPIAU wagon, just making sure AGar is cool too before I switch.

still holds true. I dunno where AGar is but I've got no issues moving our vote there.

Obviously we have no qualms lynching tans either.

[Kublai Khan]

@Andrius

VOTE: Kast

This should be the play for today.

1) I don't trust the Yellow/Red/Orange groups to make the kill. I was scum in a double scum-group large game and I remember that at this point in the game there was a lot of second guessing as to the proper night-kill. The most logical target can be left alive because each group suspects the other will complete the kill.

2) Lynching the Cult recruiter today ends the threat of the Black Lanterns growing. This is important because we don't know what will happen to recruits after the Cult Leader dies. They would either turn back into townies (confirmed to each other) or they remain black lanterns (a non-killing anti-town group).

{Note: I'm just noticing that I'm assuming that the Black Lantern group can't kill. Reasonable assumption, but don't regard it as a hard rule if things don't make sense later}

3)

Recruitment may resolve before kill. If the recruits remain black lanterns then this is bad.

[Andrius]

MoI: What concerns me is about how easily people (noteable you and AGM) just passed off votes as sheepdom. Meh.

In my reread I disconnected tanstalas from the Yellows; I highly doubt he would flip Yellow.
SO.
That's a good lynch because he'll either:
a) not die
b) FLIP RED/ORANGE/BLACK
Which is good. ^

@ KK:
1) I don't trust them either, tbh. Yellow, if any, we can put SOME trust in. Not alot. Which is why I'm keeping KageLord around another day; hoping he/his buddy have the brains to realize they need to start killing scum, specially black.
2) He's still the best play, second to red/orange.
3) Noted. And wary of this fact.

[Kdub]

tans is almost certainly not red or black because he has to be telling the truth about his claimed kills. He's either yellow or orange.

[Andrius]

And I don't think he's yellow.
Well.
Maybe.

But I HIGHLY doubt he's a vig on top of the Blue-driven kill. That's 5 kills a night with NO flipped Docs.

[tanstalas]

LOL @ this scum driven wagon at least 3 of you are scum. NPIAU, MoI and AGM

I really do not even see why we are contemplating lynching me.

If I am lying I would die and flip scum
If I am telling the truth we waste a cruicial lynch and then I die tonight

Either way I will not see the day tomorrow. NPIAU is the far better lynch IMO, I think most of us can agree he is most likely the SK. Take him out now before he gets the chance to kill tonight. Or AGM to remove the red scum kill. Or Kast to remove black (though I am less certain of Kast than NPIAU or AGM)

VOTE: NPIAU

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote Count

tanstalas [5] - nopointinactingup, The Stove, AlmasterGM, Dekes, MagnaofIllusion

nopointinactingup [2]

- Kast, tanstalas

Kast [1]

- Kublai Khan

Not voting [3]

- Andrius, KageLord, Kdub

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch. Deadline is February 10, 2011.

[KageLord]

@Kage
What do you think of Kast? Who do you think is black? You've been avoiding these questions for far too long now.

Not obvscum, but likely. I'd put him 3rd or 4th on the to-kill list (after tans/NPIAU and maybe AGM). As for black, I would put my money on AGM for that at the moment. But I'm clearly not sure enough to try to lynch him before tans/NPIAU.

Btw, I am sure that MoI is Blue or Siniestro/Godfather.

[The Stove]

FTR:

I'm pretty fried with this day honestly. If ya'll don't want to lynch Yellow I think that's a mistake (reminder: scum factions need to off other scum factions just as much as town) BUT next best thing is sk/black recruiter guy. So I'm cool with a NPIAU wagon, just making sure AGar is cool too before I switch.

still holds true. I dunno where AGar is but I've got no issues moving our vote there.

Obviously we have no qualms lynching tans either.

I'm echoing this. Work ate my firstborn. Fags.

We'll move to NPIAU if we're not aiming to lynch yellow. I personally believe Tans has a good chance of being yellow though, so I think that's a good direction for us to be in.

[The Stove]

^^
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AGar

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI: What concerns me is about how easily people (noteable you and AGM) just passed off votes as sheepdom. Meh.

You can’t have anointed yourself Town Leader who wants to direct Town towards a victory and then worry when people follow your lead.

You probably need to decide whether you think NoPoint or Tans should hang and make your vote.

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I really do not even see why we are contemplating lynching me.

Are you purposefully ignoring the repeated point Andy has made that his results indicate you are scum?