Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[I Am Innocent]

The virus

could be

bouncing within the scumteam, ever so silently. But either way, it's clearly not going to explode today, so the dayvig, if it's truly dependent, is useless.

Bolded words are the frustrating ones, because I know you have information you aren't letting on.

This right here. D2 you (Pops) acted like you were responsible for giving StrangerCoug the virus. You would not go into details then and you still won't. I think it is shady, esp since the virus has gone away now that the dayvig is not in a known scum's hand, like it was Day 2 with TMH.

Day 1, Parama, town, starts with the virus. Diddin, town, had the dayvig, so scum would not know they were correlated when the virus was sent to Parama.
Day 2, StrangerCoug, starts with the virus. TMH, scum, had the dayvig.
Day 3, No virus, dayvig was not in the scums hands.
Day 4, No virus, dayvig with WrathChild.

I am wondering if the scum are scared of the dayvig, and have not been releasing the bomb (yes I think scum have that ability....and pops alluded to releasing it D2)

[I Am Innocent]

Roles that could determine a lack of scum teammates:

Treestump: Implosion -> Curiouskarmadog -> I Am Innocent -> q21
Day Vig:

diddin

->

themanhimself

(stole the ability) -> ? -> WrathChild
Void Collector: (nobody D1) -> I Am Innocent -> Implosion/StrangerCoug ->
Hibernate Ability:

quadz08

->

MOI

/Void/Collected by I Am Innocent -> Implosion/StrangerCoug ->
?: popsofctown -> DrippingGoofball -> LynchMePls (Randomly sent?) -> ?
?: Bunnylover -> nhammen -> Saint -> ?
?: q21/nhammen -> Implosion -> I Am Innocent -> ?
?: q21/nhammen -> Implosion -> popsofctown -> ?
?: Saint -> q21 -> Implosion -> ?
Purge Ability?: ? -> DrippingGoofball -> ? -> ?

Night 3 Actions

LynchMePls: had one power role D3
popsofctown: had one power role D3
Saint: had one power role D3
StrangerCoug: had one power role D3
I Am Innocent: had two power roles D3

nhammen: Vanilla Town D3
Curiouskarmadog: Vanilla Town D3
WrathChild: Vanilla Town D3

Still need Implosion, q21, BunnyLover, DrippingGoofball to confirm how many roles they had D3/N3

When Day 5 happens we should do the following in order:

1) Everyone in their first post state who they sent an ability to Night 3
2) Once

everyone

has completed step #1, then everyone come forward on whether they had a power role Day/Night 4 or not.

[I Am Innocent]

@ Implosion, q21, BunnyLover, DrippingGoofball, please confirm how many roles you had D3/N3 that you had to pass on.

@ LynchMePls, popsofctown, nhammen, Curiouskarmadog, Implosion, q21, BunnyLover, DrippingGoofball, please say whether you purged Nero Cain or not.

(IAI, SC, Saint, and WC have all claimed not to have purged Nero Cain)

[LimMePls]

I did NOT purge NC.

[DrippingGoofball]

DrippingGoofball to confirm how many roles they had D3/N3

Didn't I already?

[DrippingGoofball]

?: popsofctown -> DrippingGoofball -> LynchMePls (Randomly sent?) -> ?

LMP might have some info from that role. He should perhaps declare it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh wait, night 3 - I had nothing.

[DrippingGoofball]

Because I just found out that implosion=SCoug.

103 = LMP 20 + 50 + 33
93 = Q21 20 + 20 + 20 + 33

73 = SCoug/implosion 20 + 33 + 20
73 = Bunny 20 + 20 + 33
73 = WC 20 + 20 + 33

60 = pops 20 + 20 + 20
50 = nhammen 50

40 = Saint 20 + 20
33 = CKD 33

[q21]

flipping q21, if he flips scum, would clear both us and implosion (assuming he isn't lying about implosion)
if you think about it, q21 knows that if he flips we are clear. it is logical for him to want us gone from this game before him, and before we can see that the ties between us can confirm a few people through cycling mechanics.

And for exactly the same reason it is prefectly logical for you to want me dead before you flip.

q21 is uncharacteristically quiet. I think he's laying back waiting to go last, also, READ MY SIG etc. He needs a lynching.

I'm quiet because I'm bored because I can't vote because IAI passed me the treestump. Also means you can't lynch me today.

Everyone please officially claim if you Purged Nero Cain or not last night.

I did not Purge Nero Cain Night 3

That's all very nice, except if the ability was randomized in the hands of scum, all they have to do is deny having got it, and I have a target on me. Plus, it was a suspicious

TOWNIE

that was shot last night, so I could look bad for having attacked Nero Cain, too.

If you'll excuse me for potentially being wrong about game mechanics...

Nobody claimed the chkflip kill either. If whoever gets this extra kill is indeed randomized per Night, there is no downside whatsoever to that person claiming now as well.

My memory isn't perfect, but it is telling me that I think popz claimed the night 1 kill... not going to go trawl through his posts to check, he can confirm it himself... or tell me I'm a moron.

The case on ckd, as far as I care to be concerned, is that he failed to pass the Tree Stump to themanhimself-scum (which scum conveniently couldn't do), and it just so happened to land on the person driving the Town.

Was CKD under attack himself when he was going after TMH and defending DBE? Scum under attack does tend to bus more.

CKD was unlycnhable at the time, if I recall correctly.


I had no abilities N3/D3 and did not purge Nero Cain.

[implosion]

@ Implosion, q21, BunnyLover, DrippingGoofball, please confirm how many roles you had D3/N3 that you had to pass on.

@ LynchMePls, popsofctown, nhammen, Curiouskarmadog, Implosion, q21, BunnyLover, DrippingGoofball, please say whether you purged Nero Cain or not.

(IAI, SC, Saint, and WC have all claimed not to have purged Nero Cain)

I had two roles again.

I didn't purge NC.

[q21]

Because I just found out that implosion=SCoug.

Wait... what?

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm quiet because I'm bored because I can't vote because IAI passed me the treestump. Also means you can't lynch me today.

Are you going to treestump yourself if a majority asks for it?

[q21]

I'm quiet because I'm bored because I can't vote because IAI passed me the treestump. Also means you can't lynch me today.

Are you going to treestump yourself if a majority asks for it?

huh?

[DrippingGoofball]

Because I just found out that implosion=SCoug.

Wait... what?

I was looking at IAI's list and got the WRONG impression this was a replacement confusion. Never mind.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm quiet because I'm bored because I can't vote because IAI passed me the treestump. Also means you can't lynch me today.

Are you going to treestump yourself if a majority asks for it?

huh?

Does the treestump role allow you to suicide, but continue to talk after death? That's what treestumps normally do.

[q21]

I'm quiet because I'm bored because I can't vote because IAI passed me the treestump. Also means you can't lynch me today.

Are you going to treestump yourself if a majority asks for it?

huh?

Does the treestump role allow you to suicide, but continue to talk after death? That's what treestumps normally do.

The treestump in this game says that my votes don't count and I can't be lynched. If the majority of the town votes for me the day will end in a no lynch.

[Saint]

Everyone please officially claim if you Purged Nero Cain or not last night.

I did not Purge Nero Cain Night 3

That's all very nice, except if the ability was randomized in the hands of scum, all they have to do is deny having got it, and I have a target on me. Plus, it was a suspicious

TOWNIE

that was shot last night, so I could look bad for having attacked Nero Cain, too.

If you'll excuse me for potentially being wrong about game mechanics...

Nobody claimed the chkflip kill either. If whoever gets this extra kill is indeed randomized per Night, there is no downside whatsoever to that person claiming now as well.

My memory isn't perfect, but it is telling me that I think popz claimed the night 1 kill... not going to go trawl through his posts to check, he can confirm it himself... or tell me I'm a moron.

I just looked, and I didn't see it. It's clear that he passed SOMETHING to Goofball, but according to IAI (who has presumably been keeping better track of the unnecessarily shady things unnecessarily shady people have said) it wasn't the daykill.

Amazing how he's only posted fewer than 50 posts since DarlaBlueEyes died D2 though.

Goofball mistaking StrangerCoug for someone who has replaced out is understandable because the Coug has been lurking hardcore recently.
That plus ducking out of the D3 ability passage report (IIRC) is a good reason to put him on a scumlist.

[StrangerCoug]

Goofball mistaking StrangerCoug for someone who has replaced out is understandable because the Coug has been lurking hardcore recently.
That plus ducking out of the D3 ability passage report (IIRC) is a good reason to put him on a scumlist.[/i]

I ducked out of the D3 passage report? What are you talking about?

[Saint]

By the way, I didn't think the virus could be passed at night, so I didn't send in anything. I DID pick up something, but for now I'm not going to claim what it is. If the person who passed it to me wants to speak up, he or she can, but I'd like to hang onto it right now.

Vague? Yes it is.
Interesting because it's the last time the Virus was seen? Yes it is.
Changes that you've been doing your best not to say anything contentful Today or Yesterday? No it doesn't.

[LimMePls]

Ok, I think I now understand the situation. I must have received DGB's random cycled ability. I thought it had been passed to me by IAI.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am here, going to try to do this today after super bowl party.

[StrangerCoug]

By the way, I didn't think the virus could be passed at night, so I didn't send in anything. I DID pick up something, but for now I'm not going to claim what it is. If the person who passed it to me wants to speak up, he or she can, but I'd like to hang onto it right now.

Vague? Yes it is.
Interesting because it's the last time the Virus was seen? Yes it is.
Changes that you've been doing your best not to say anything contentful Today or Yesterday? No it doesn't.

Day 3 didn't last very long—timeanddate.com gives its length as 1 day, 21 hours, 50 minutes and 29 seconds. The Monday after day opened is when I went to get my ID card after work. There's a lot of time eaten up, Vi.

As for Day 4, my head isn't really in the clear right now.

[Bunnylover]

The virus

could be

bouncing within the scumteam, ever so silently. But either way, it's clearly not going to explode today, so the dayvig, if it's truly dependent, is useless.

Bolded words are the frustrating ones, because I know you have information you aren't letting on.

This right here. D2 you (Pops) acted like you were responsible for giving StrangerCoug the virus. You would not go into details then and you still won't. I think it is shady, esp since the virus has gone away now that the dayvig is not in a known scum's hand, like it was Day 2 with TMH.

Day 1, Parama, town, starts with the virus. Diddin, town, had the dayvig, so scum would not know they were correlated when the virus was sent to Parama.
Day 2, StrangerCoug, starts with the virus. TMH, scum, had the dayvig.
Day 3, No virus, dayvig was not in the scums hands.
Day 4, No virus, dayvig with WrathChild.

I am wondering if the scum are scared of the dayvig, and have not been releasing the bomb (yes I think scum have that ability....and pops alluded to releasing it D2)

The only problem with this is that the bomb has to be past or the holder blows up prematurely.

@IAI: I had no roles.

[I Am Innocent]

BunnyLover, what I am saying is that I think the scum team can choose if they want to send the virus out and who it would go to if they do.

It is the only explanation I can come up with for why the virus has stopped showing up....and also based on the below posts from D2 that Pops has refused to elaborate on.

All right, the virus is back in play and I've got it. Who should it go to?

SC says he has the virus.

...@StrangerCoug: Pass the virus to me, I want to look at it. I can give it right back if you like. I can't explain why, sorry.

Implies pops has not seen the virus yet. More of that in the first paragraph of the post below:

For the record, if someone gets the virus, and we somehow never see it again, that person is scum. The virus should be used as a lynch. Scum could pass it betwixt themselves perpetually and have it never go off until the day ends, (well that was my concern, and something I'd like to check when I get it)(I had another more secretive concern but I realized it doesn't matter. Oh well).

We need to pick someone scummy to give the virus to, and tell that person they'll eat it and like it. If they refuse we give the virus to someone else, and then lynch the person who refused to eat the virus, since that person would eat the virus if they realized refusing to do so would only cause us to waste a lynch on them. This process isn't nearly as good as a real daykill, unfortunately, but it's better than killing a lurker just-because.

Viralvote:DarlaBlueEyes

@Parama suicide: Let's not let Parama touch the virus. As confident as Parama is that he has the entire game read perfectly, I don't have that confidence in him and I doubt everyone else does.

In fact, it really might be safest if me and StrangerCoug throw it back and forth. I feel pretty good about his alignment since he didn't hide the potato, and regardless of his read on me he'll at least see that I'm willing to toss back the potato whenever he gives it to me. Even though we could hold someone accountable for the vanishing of the potato, I don't want to see a scum holding a cop ability or a scum who thinks he's just going to die anyhow to hide the potato, or pass the potato to a lurker.

Either of us can pass it to a the target once we have a consensus on who should die.

After calling him out in post 911, Pops returns with the following:

I'm not going to risk it.

I caused StrangerCoug to have the virus

. The daykill is protown, as is pseudolynching with the virus so I selected the player I felt most likely to survive the night but who still had a town feel.

My original choice though, was MoI, with similar logic. I spent so much time combing through his posts during my decisionmaking process and so little with Coug's smaller opportunity that I mistakenly thought I had passed my ability to MoI, sending it to the void. When Coug claimed he had the ability, I was very confused, and I wanted to see if it was the same virus Parama started the game with. If it was, it implied a bus driver.

I felt really stupid when just a few minutes later I remembered considering StrangerCoug as an option, and then subsequently decided that posting volume is correlated with nightkillability and that I should target Coug instead of MoI.


@saying that explaining how to misuse the ability as scum is suspicious: What the heck? I had to give StrangerCoug a reason to pass back and forth with me, and since people like you exist and make me claim things that dont need claiming, justify my actions. That's why I revealed that info. Any scum who can't figure out that strategy on their own is braindead.


Further more, if I AM scum, already know the strategy! If I were scum I would have shared it last night with all my partners in case they get infected, since everyone suspected the virus might come back. The fact you pointed out antitown behavior but didn't realize that it doesn't make sense in any way for actually showing me to be scum makes me suspect you know that I'm town.

@CKD: if that ability doesn't turn out to be Tree Stump you're stupid for claiming.

The whole paragraph above shows that Pops somehow chose SC to start off the day with the bomb.

[I Am Innocent]

The next three dead players need to be the following in some order {CKD, Pops, q21}

If no townies come forward D4 or D5 taking credit for the purge kills, DGBall needs to be added to that list.

My vote stays with Pops for now, but CKD is another (the only other?) wagon I would consider.