ender241's first vote was for those reasons. His second vote had absolutely no reasoning attached. Except the inexplicable note that while he thought something was bobsnox, he'd rather vote FinalFires.Llamarble wrote:All I saw was Ender's votes on FF. Which while wrong apparently were due to FF playing the newbcard and softclaiming.
Welcome to the game, Fate.Fate wrote:Afternoon town,
My name is Fate, nice to meet you.
I'll be in here with a stream of thought catch-up post that nails likely 75% of the scumteam and reasons with. As for when, I guarantee by Wednesday, but I'll get started tonight.
Thank you for your time.
You got something of a free pass on Day 1 due to replacing in and timing issues. Now, however, your stances have to be better explained. Please answer Jahudo.werewolf555 wrote:I completely agree
Just look at his attempts at "scum hunting" and his death becomes clear
Jahudo wrote:@werewolf: why do you like the llamarble wagon? All the reasons provided so far? Only some? Any new takes on llamarble or ender?
Looking forward to your post.Fate wrote:I was hoping you were, because if you thought I was the 4th scum and that I was going to bus all three of my buddies in a row, then I would be able to count on your vote being proxied to me for awhile.
And I do enjoy me a nice following.
24 hours or so until I get to this thread, as it is I'm stalling on an essay by making this post.
SO BECAUSE YOUR ANALYSIS OF MY SCUMHUNTING AS SINCERE NOW CONTRADICTS THE CONCLUSION THAT I AM SCUM, IT MUST BE WRONG??DLG wrote:No. I never said anything about you would rather lynch MoreWhisky than yourself. My point was that you came out describing yourself as an oracle, when the FinalFires read was one everyone seemed to share and your more MoreWhisky read was not as strong as you implied in that post. I particularly note how you tried to use this flim-flam to support your Bub Bidderskins case.Llamarble wrote:WHAT. YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF NOT HAVING A TOWNREAD ON WHISKEY BECAUSE I SAID I WOULD RATHER LYNCH HIM THAN MYSELF?? THAT IS RIDICULOUS. I specifically stated in the sentence you quoted that I had a town read on him which was weakened by his PRclaim, which turned out to be fake anyway.Let's be clear, although I know you want things blurry. I didn't think you were genuinely scum hunting after a night with 1 kill. I thought that before the night phase. How about the rest of that post that you truncated?Llamarble wrote:ONE PERSON DIED LAST NIGHT. THEREFORE GENUINE SCUM HUNTING PROBABLY MEANS TOWN. BUT IN SPITE OF THINKING I'M GENUINELY HUNTING FOR SCUM AFTER A NIGHT WITH 1 KILL, YOU STILL VOTE ME???DLG wrote:I can't vote in two places at once, and the vast majority of my suspicion of Llamarble rests on my ender241 read. I think Llamarble's case on Bub Bidderskins is sincere. I think it a case of genuine scum hunting from a scum slot. That would mean a multi-faction game, and while there is a possibility of that, there is no guarantee of it.
So there is no misunderstanding, I will have no hesitation hammering Llamarble if his wagon goes back to L-1. But, of the two, I think there is less reason to doubt that MoreWhisky is scum.
So, at the point where multi-factions seemed a reasonable possibility, I was willing to acknowledge that you seemed to be genuinely going after Bub Bidderskins as a scum suspect. Given the events of the night, a single faction seems more likely. In that light, I must have been mistaken about your sincerity.And because I called BS on your brag post. Convenient for you to try to shift the focus onto the easier to defend accusation.Llamarble wrote:The reason we are talking about whether I had a townread on Whisky or not is because Bub claimed I "Tried to push my wagon onto Morewhisky."
These attempts to deflect the real points by misrepresentation are strongly indicative of scum desperation.
First, there is more context than that on DLG. I am upset that DLG tried to get the lynch of someone who wasn't his top suspect, while that player was clearly doing things that were relevant to a read on him, and the other top suspects of DLG were eminently lynchable. These are all important.Bub Bidderskins wrote:You are upset about how DLG voted for some who wasn't his top suspect, but what do you think of Llamarble voting for someone he had a "town read" on?
I don't think I misrepped you at all.Fishythefish wrote: @Yos: I feel your post 533 is misreps my positions quite badly - see 554. I'd like a response to that.
He was always going to be "in the course" of responding; he can clearly do all-caps OMGUS attacks on people voting him until the end of time. I mean, just a few hours ago, we saw this:Fishythefish wrote: Bolded mine. Read when DLG asked someone to hammer Llama (344). Llama was quite clearly in the course of responding to the case on him - the argument hadn't settled nearly enough for a lynch to be a good idea. He also hadn't claimed. We had a long time before deadline. It was totally premature.
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I'm upset that he was willing to lynch Llama when
1. Llama wasn't his top suspect
2. Llama was actively responding to the case on him
3. We had some days until deadline.
If we're going to wait to lynch someone until they stop responding to attacks against them, we're never going to lynch anyone.Llamarble wrote: CAN WE LYNCH MY ENTIRE WAGON PLEASE?
"It's pretty much inevitable that I'm going to look like I'm defending Llama." as you have the entire game practically...Fishythefish wrote:Llama's play has become rather deranged. But when DLG voted him yesterday (344), and asked someone else to hammer, it was not. Really, go back to that point, and read what Llama was saying at the time, and note the ludicrous speed with which his wagon had built. Imagine Llama is one of your competing top suspects. I just don't see that you would want the day over.
The things I find scummiest in the game are some cases on Llama. It's pretty much inevitable that I'm going to look like I'm defending Llama.
Right. I'm not going to post any more on these matters, until people start voting for me tomorrow. For people who actually give a fuck what I've said, I've said it all many times now. I'm making zero impression on anyone, and I don't see that changing. Definitely time to start thinking about other things.
Bleh.
<3 NikanorNikanor wrote:Vote: Jahudo.
Don't worry Fires. I believe you.
DarlaBlueEyes wrote:Noob town /=/ powerful townie. Beyond that I don't like your play at all, and your backtracking explanations don't sit well with me either. I'd have rather your vote sat on Yos than you act like you had some kind of mega-game-winning revelation in which you declare yourself 100% town and everyone else who's enjoying some RVS shenanigans scummy.
Or I guess I could just reference Pom's post and say: QFT!
Also the more you force that you're town in such a way that you expect us to just take your word for it, the more I am inclined to believe you are scum.
@ Broken - yes I went back and edited it to account for the votes already on him so as not to sound redundant or need an EBWOP. Originally I had said something like 'before I vote him' but amended it to be the bandwagon bit.
KEKEKEKEKEAPPEASEMENT.ender241 wrote:VOTE: Finalfires
Happy now?
Worth pointing out that this is a horrible list. Really Yos?Right now, my top 3 suspects are Ender, Whiskey, and bobsnox.
There goes any points Pom had. Ok he posted more stuff elaboration later, good stuff.Fishythefish wrote:Read, mostly. One of those reads that gets rather patchy towards the end, as my eyes complain that they've been open for far too many hours.
VOTE: ender
Prefer this to a DBE wagon, although that's by no means awful. More on both of these and some other stuff tomorrow, too tired tonight.
First off, here's some other things I've said.Llamarble wrote:I apologize for derangedness, but look at the things people on my wagon are saying.
DLG:
"I must have been wrong that llama has been sincerely scumhunting because that would suggest llama is town" transcends normal confirmation bias.
"Llama is scummy because he professed townreads on the dead townies, which isn't a very impressive achievement."
The two points you picked out for this post are more misrep. I never once said that what you were doing suggested you are town. What has changed is my evaluation that what you were doing was a sincere targetting of Bub Bidderskins as a scum target.DLG in various posts wrote:I particularly note how you tried to use this flim-flam to support your Bub Bidderskins case.
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Let's be clear, although I know you want things blurry. I didn't think you were genuinely scum hunting after a night with 1 kill. I thought that before the night phase.
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These attempts to deflect the real points by misrepresentation are strongly indicative of scum desperation.
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Again, you are trying to subtly rewrite history for your benefit. Scummy.