A Storm of Swords - Lay your swords down!

[hasdgfas]

What's that? Rickon fell down the well?! xD

*glares at shadow*

[Shadow1psc]

Oh this is gonna be fun. I assume you can't confirm your restriction, nor if you are in fact some variation of tree stump eh.

[GreyICE]

Okay! It doesn't matter? Then I can do it.

I hereby dub you Sparky.

Sparky, Kast I don't care how paranoid I'm being. I don't want it misused. I don't want to grit my teeth because someone pardoned our lynch. I don't want to lynch an idiotic townie who pardoned scum. I don't want to be stuck in LyLo unable to lynch scum. I don't want it doing anything bad for us, at any point, ever. I don't want to find out there's some sort of Roleblocker or Assassin power that becomes active when the scum "control the armies of the king." I don't want to find out it enables daytalk. I don't want to find out they get anything special at all, because I want it on town and the power out of play. Hell, I'll promise to pardon someone ridiculous day 1 - if that's what it takes, I'll pardon Eddard Stark right now first day, soon as I get it. Or I'll pardon a random townie five minutes before we drop the hammer day 1. If people want that out of me, I'll promise it.

I may be paranoid, in fact I AM paranoid. But it is safer that way

PEDIT: For Kast, why I'm paranoid.

What I fear: 3 man LyLo

2 Town
1 Scum Governor

who can self-pardon

I accept that by taking this role, I will not be alive in LyLo.

Not if I'm cop cleared (Godfather). Not if I counterclaimed and the original claim flips scum (scum plot, I'm scum and I claim, scum counterclaims, we lynch counterclaim, oops self-pardoning governor got to LyLo). Not if there's one scum alive and I'm roleblocked and the kill goes through (Some sort of Mafia Ninja that bypasses Roleblocks).

Seriously, Kast, anyone, what would it take to let you leave the self-pardoning governor alive in LyLo?

[GreyICE]

Oh. I know hasdgfs' flavor role. He's Lannister, although the role will be a royal pain.

[Shadow1psc]

Yeah, it's pretty obvious really. I just wanted to poke fun at the big bear

*poke poke*

[DrippingGoofball]

I think GreyICE is coked up.

[hasdgfas]

the role will be a royal pain.

*nods head vigorously*

[Shadow1psc]

lolpuns. Anyway, that's a pretty interesting role to have, is there any precedent for it, and hasdgfas, do you have limitations to what you can do through *actions*?

[Shadow1psc]

and FWIW Grey, doesn't mayor/governor not have the ability to stop their own lynch?

[GreyICE]

I think GreyICE is coked up.

Yep, best idea is to not get your scumbuddies too involved, that way your lynch doesn't drag anyone else down. Sucks for you, of course, but it's smart play. Good signaling, we might be able to read it, but we have no idea who it's going to.

@Hasd:
1) Can I make a series of statements and have you *nod* or *shake* in response to each?
2) Can you direct actions at people to make them give you a series of statements when you want to input an opinion? (*blink three times at GreyICE*, for example)
3) Can I give you a series of actions that correspond to what you want to do so we can develop a dictionary, or does your post restriction prevent you circumventing your post restriction that way?
4) Assuming I can establish said dictionary, would you be willing to waste some time with me to do so?

PEDIT: Shadow, power does what it says on the tin. The governor can stop

any lynch

unless the answer to the below is different than I expect (as the third in the series, with significant thought gone into it, I'd imagine the roles do exactly what they say they do).

@Mod: Does the power function exactly as written?

[Eddard Stark]

@Mod: Does the power function exactly as written?

Governer can pardon any lynch except their own. So they can't use the abillity on themselves.
Sorry for any confusion.

[hasdgfas]

1) Can I make a series of statements and have you *nod* or *shake* in response to each?

*nods head*

2) Can you direct actions at people to make them give you a series of statements when you want to input an opinion? (*blink three times at GreyICE*, for example)

*nods head*

3) Can I give you a series of actions that correspond to what you want to do so we can develop a dictionary, or does your post restriction prevent you circumventing your post restriction that way?

*shakes head*

hasdgfas, do you have limitations to what you can do through *actions*?

*puts hands forward, palms up*
*raises left, lowers right*
*raises right, lowers left*

[chesskid3]

wow sucks to be hags right now

[DrippingGoofball]

Yep, best idea is to not get your scumbuddies too involved, that way your lynch doesn't drag anyone else down. Sucks for you, of course, but it's smart play. Good signaling, we might be able to read it, but we have no idea who it's going to.

We're going to NK you tonight just to shut you up. We'll give the cop another night if we have to.

[Twilight Sparkle]

hasdgfas, if you've got an explicit white-list (that is, you can only do specific *actions*), please perform every action that you are allowed to do as a response to this post.

If you don't have an explicit whitelist, shake your head.

[hasdgfas]

hasdgfas, if you've got an explicit white-list (that is, you can only do specific *actions*), please perform every action that you are allowed to do as a response to this post.

If you don't have an explicit whitelist, shake your head.

*shakes head*

[GreyICE]

Okay, I'm going to run out these actions. hasdgfs, roll around on the ground to signal that I'm getting close to the borders of your post restriction (mod can't blame you for something you told me not to do).

Response to arguments/posts, simple

= I agree with this
= Close, but some problems
= This point doesn't seem right
= Go further
= Premise is good, conclusion is hasty
= Argument went off course.
= The quote is scummy

Directing our attention

I'll use Sparky as the generic person

*Holds Sparky's feet over the fire* - you want Sparky to explain this point
*Glare at Sparky* - you think Sparky is acting stupid/wrongheaded, but not scummy.
*Menace Sparky* - FOS/You want explanation for scummy behavior/WTFscum
*Lift Sparky up* - you want the town to vote on the basis of this.

*Juggle Sparky* - wants a list of statements to agree/disagree with from someone about Sparky
*Throw Sparky at GreyICE* - wants GreyICE to provide a list of statements about Sparky to agree disagree with
*Push Sparky towards GreyICE* - wants GreyICE to provide his opinion on Sparky
*Digs Sparky out of a hole* - thinks Sparky has been lurking
*Knocks on Sparky* - thinks Sparky's posts are hollow (i.e. Sparky isn't providing content)
*Bites Sparky's heels* - wants Sparky to do more

Reads

*Hugs Sparky* - town
*Extend hand towards sparky* - leaning town
*Blink at sparky* - neutral
*Washes sparky* - leaning scum
*Spits at sparky* - scum

[GreyICE]

Yep, best idea is to not get your scumbuddies too involved, that way your lynch doesn't drag anyone else down. Sucks for you, of course, but it's smart play. Good signaling, we might be able to read it, but we have no idea who it's going to.

We're going to NK you tonight just to shut you up. We'll give the cop another night if we have to.

Cool beans. I'm sure this will be great WIFOM when you do kill me. You said it in thread so the scum killed me to implicate you. Absolutely grade A vintage.

[Bunnylover]

@TS: Frankly I don't like the ability and probably don't even want it to be used. It basically a WIFOM situation if a townie uses it on a scum player and that scum flips.

@hasdgfas 97: Did you just do the macorania (or however you spell it) o_o?

Did DGB just claim scum

[Nexus]

Man alive. A quick start.

Number 1: hasg's role is going to make life difficult, unless we can come up with some way to understand him. A dictionary of sorts.

Number 2: self-voting to raise is dumb. We won't ever reach a majority if everyone self votes. Perhaps not giving anyone it at all is the best solution, particularly if scum got their hands on it, as has already been mentioned.

Number 3: Even I don't support plynches. Not even on CK.

@BL I am not sure. That was my immediate thought as well. So, it may well be a gambit.

[GreyICE]

Oh and I see the mod clarification. Okay, that ability scares me much, much less now, but I still want it out of scum hands because it's a live grenade on scum at LyLo. I'm still the best choice to appoint Hand.

And DGB is going to claim joke, it's all WIFOM at this point. If it's a gambit though, it fucking sucks. "I claimed scum, I wonder how many scum I got to vote for me on my wagon? I bet only scum want to lynch someone who claims scum." I don't see how this is fucking helping the town at this point, I think she's trying to wriggle out of it by being sarcastic and joking to convince us "it's all a joke."

Have I ever mentioned what I do with WIFOM?

[Twilight Sparkle]

The lack of whitelist from hasd is interesting. A whitelist is the most sensible way to keep it thematic; without one, I'm struggling to see what the actual restriction is that can't be exploited.

Well, lets try to figure this out. hasd, I'm going to ask a series of yes/no questions. Please nod or shake your head for each.

The number of potential *actions* I could post in thread (that is, the size of my allowable phrasebook) is...

...between one and ten

...between ten and one hundred

...larger than one hundred/only limited by vocabulary.

The phrases I post within *asterisks* must be verbs.

The phrases I post within *asterisks* must be below a certain word count.

I am allowed to use non-smiley images (in IMG tags) in my posts.

P.edit: Gray, you're putting the cart before the horse a little, giving him phrases before we learn the rules regarding his phrases...

[MagnaofIllusion]

Did DGB just claim scum

Yes. She now is a claimed Infinite Dayvigging Scum. Game over, we lose.

Or she’s doing what she often does … sarcasm.

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Oh shut up with the self-justifications, MoI. That garbage data was mislynch fodder waiting to happen. I have no problem learning things from past games, I have problems learning things that are wrong. You drew a conclusion that was not justified by the data. That's wrong. I'm not insisting on three sigma, but I'd like at least ONE SIGMA.

Wait what? The data the I said was not going to be of any use because of the discussion and had yet to be really looked at? Just curious if you bother to read before starting off your ranting tangents.

And make up your mind on which way you are going to incorrectly argue. Is it that the ‘garbage data’ was going to incorrectly clear Scum or was mislynch fodder? Both are clearly strawman arguments but your flip-flopping just looks like you are throwing whatever you can to obscure my original argument.

This is fucking classic IIoA. Mislynch after mislynch out of your garbage data? No. If it's not significant, keep it out of the thread. If it becomes significant, bring it up. Don't fucking give me shit statistics and expect me to smile and eat them as if you're adding something.

Sigh. Grey what color is the sky in your world? Really, I’d like to know.

1. Throwing a wikitell and throwing in profanity to show how ‘passionnate’ you are doesn’t make your flawed arguments more compelling.
2. Once again you posit a Strawman by stating that mislynches were going to flow from the data when IN MY POST I SAID IT WASN’T USEABLE THIS GAME.

So far you've added nothing but wall post after wall post, IIoA, and no fucking analysis whatsoever. I am telling you the truth, I am town, you are not helping the town. As for scum establishing links between themselves, yes, sure. Look at the thread - most people are recommending that we don't select for a week. Lots of time to establish your town cred, throw your town cred behind other scum's town cred, start a wagon, whatever.

1. If you wish to cry about Wall posts take a quarter and call someone who cares. Reading isn’t a hardship.
2. My questioning of others is part of the process of determining alignments. Sorry it doesn’t suit your ‘tastes’
3. Why so insistent that you are Town? I see several people questioning your rather outlandish conclusions but don’t see many calls coming for your head.
4. You dodged the question’s context. I didn’t ask if Scum was going to push for their partners to EVENTUALLY be made the Hand. I specifically asked why you, in all caps, stated that early raises aimed at players other than themselves was an indication of scum pushing their partners. Of course scum are going to want the power for themselves down the line today. I am asking why people not raising themselves is an indication of scum pushing partners when it occurs in the first 4 pages of a Large Theme game.

Want me to put the arguments in your terms, MoI? Clash of Kings - they voted scum into the doublevoter, didn't they? How long did they take to decide that? Did they come to some compromise candidate everyone liked? What are the odds that that selection was scum influenced? It didn't hurt the town... once. Will it hurt the town this time? I don't like arguing from a sample size of one. What's the odds scum will end up with the power? What are the odds scum can push the governor power onto someone they think might misuse it?

Let’s discuss Clash. Percy as scum got the double-vote. It put him under a significant amount of scrutiny for the use of that power. This led to an investigation and eventual Dayvig. It will be no different for whoever becomes the Hand here.

Arguing about LYLO issues is at best fear-mongering as is railing about people who might ‘misuse’ it. Of course it can be a dangerous ability in the wrong hands. That's not a reason to scream "The Sky is Falling" Chicken Little.

I'm in the spotlight. You think this is a scum gambit? It's not.

Yes, because there are never scum players who are bold and grab attention. I’ll direct you to Fate, who I know you like, as someone who as scum put himself in a Day 1 1V1 with Town Toogelo in AGM’s recently ended game. It’s a Null action.

[DrippingGoofball]

Cool beans. I'm sure this will be great WIFOM when you do kill me. You said it in thread so the scum killed me to implicate you. Absolutely grade A vintage.

Let them.

OH wait

Do you

know

I'm town???

Did you just slip up?

[hasdgfas]

Okay, I'm going to run out these actions. hasdgfs, roll around on the ground to signal that I'm getting close to the borders of your post restriction (mod can't blame you for something you told me not to do).

Response to arguments/posts, simple

= I agree with this
= Close, but some problems
= This point doesn't seem right
= Go further
= Premise is good, conclusion is hasty
= Argument went off course.
= The quote is scummy

Directing our attention

I'll use Sparky as the generic person

*Holds Sparky's feet over the fire* - you want Sparky to explain this point
*Glare at Sparky* - you think Sparky is acting stupid/wrongheaded, but not scummy.
*Menace Sparky* - FOS/You want explanation for scummy behavior/WTFscum
*Lift Sparky up* - you want the town to vote on the basis of this.

*Juggle Sparky* - wants a list of statements to agree/disagree with from someone about Sparky
*Throw Sparky at GreyICE* - wants GreyICE to provide a list of statements about Sparky to agree disagree with
*Push Sparky towards GreyICE* - wants GreyICE to provide his opinion on Sparky
*Digs Sparky out of a hole* - thinks Sparky has been lurking
*Knocks on Sparky* - thinks Sparky's posts are hollow (i.e. Sparky isn't providing content)
*Bites Sparky's heels* - wants Sparky to do more

Reads

*Hugs Sparky* - town
*Extend hand towards sparky* - leaning town
*Blink at sparky* - neutral
*Washes sparky* - leaning scum
*Spits at sparky* - scum

*slaps self in head*

3) Can I give you a series of actions that correspond to what you want to do so we can develop a dictionary

*shakes head*

or does your post restriction prevent you circumventing your post restriction that way?

*nods head*

...larger than one hundred/only limited by vocabulary.

The phrases I post within *asterisks* must be verbs.

*nods head*

The phrases I post within *asterisks* must be below a certain word count.

*puts hands forward, palms up*
*raises left, lowers right*
*raises right, lowers left*

I am allowed to use non-smiley images (in IMG tags) in my posts.

*points at own face*