ahh I read into his "guarantee" that he was softclaiming an investigative role, but now I remember how he originally though Llamarble was scum...Yos wrote:What I want, which you still haven't given me, is an actual explanation for why you think Llama is town, for what post or posts of his convinced you.
Why did you jump to begin with?bobsnox wrote:ahh I read into his "guarantee" that he was softclaiming an investigative role, but now I remember how he originally though Llamarble was scum...Yos wrote:What I want, which you still haven't given me, is an actual explanation for why you think Llama is town, for what post or posts of his convinced you.
I will gladly get back on the Llamarble wagon if Fate does not produce something convincing
He has done more scumhunting than the rest of the game combined while under the pressure of L-1, all the while stalling off his claim so that the day would be more informative. There's no way you would miss this.Yosarian2 wrote:I haven't twisted anything Llama has said. His reaction to pressure was simply to flip out and to attack every single person voting for him in irrational, angry, ALL CAPS posts. None of what he's done looks like real scumhunting at all, and every time it seems like we get close to lynching him, some random guy comes out of nowhere and derails the wagon.Fate wrote: Now please, let's lynch Yosarian who has contributed an original thought to this game for some discernible (due to laziness) amount of weeks outside of "Let me twist everything Marble has said into a scum motivation, and get him lynched."
Anyway, I don't care if you think you have a meta on me; seems like every game I'm in that I'm town, someone attacks me absolutly convinced that they know my meta based on some random comment I made somewhere and starts spouting BS to me about what I always do; they're generally wrong, but I guess that's a side effect of me having played so many different games over the years is that everyone thinks they know my playstyle.
What I want, which you still haven't given me, is an actual explanation for why you think Llama is town, for what post or posts of his convinced you.
Why did you avoid the answer I made to your question, and post that was directed solely at you?Bub Bidderskins wrote:Why did you jump to begin with?bobsnox wrote:ahh I read into his "guarantee" that he was softclaiming an investigative role, but now I remember how he originally though Llamarble was scum...Yos wrote:What I want, which you still haven't given me, is an actual explanation for why you think Llama is town, for what post or posts of his convinced you.
I will gladly get back on the Llamarble wagon if Fate does not produce something convincing
The best way to tell if someone's scum or not is to look at actions. Motive can be fuzzy, actions are clear.Llamarble wrote: VOTE: Yosarian
I've felt like he's been twisting things to make me look like scum for awhile. Specifically stating actions while ignoring the reasons for them.
Give me one. Quote Nik's post that convinced you if you can't invent your own reason. Just give me something to work with here.Fate wrote: Now I could sit here and explain to scum why town is town, BUT there's been PLENTY of discussion on why Marble is town (even some posts from Nikanor aka my slot with good reasoning), I'm not gonna rehash old points.
"Post 7 included a vague attack at scum piling" on my wagon as an aside at the sudden increase in my wagon's size after I started making my case against Bidderskins (and specifically the fact that Bidderskins himself joined). The bulk and main purpose of that post was an explanation of my reads on Darla.Yosarian2 wrote:Basically, Llamable got to 6 votes on post 308, at 6 PM January 29th; the response to this was an absolute flood of posts from him, and in the next 32 hours or so, he made 22 posts, some of them quite long. Now, again, there's nothing wrong with posting a lot; that's not a sign of alignment, either way. A lot of the content of those posts, though, was really iffy, and most of it just feels like wild flailing, mostly directed at the people attacking him. Post 7 included a vague attack at "scum piling on his wagon"; post 8 he attacks Bub; post 9 he attacks FF for voting him; post 10 he attacks DLG for voting him. Post 11 he calls whisky a buddy of Bub. Post 13 he changes his mind and calls FF town again; post 15 he calls me and Fishy buddies of Bub and defends whisky, while post 16 he calls whiskey scum again. Note this is all within a 4 hour period, and right after he gets to lynch -1.Jahudo wrote:@Yosarian: Can you give some examples of llarmable doing what you mentioned here:Yosarian2 wrote:It feels like when he got in trouble, he just spammed up the thread with a bunch of garbage,
It really does look like when his back was against the wall, Llamble's response was to just try to flood the thread with posts; the posts don't look like a coherent attempt to scumhunt at all, more like a series of wild swings in a last ditch attempt to go after or discredit anyone and everyone who was attacking him. Also some weird stuff going on here with him and whiskey, he keeps swinging back and fourth between calling whiskey scum and defending him, and this continues.
It all looks to me like a scum trying to fight his way out of a corner. I'm trying to avoid using the word "spamming", since he got offended by that and it's really not accurate (it was all game-related stuff, for one thing), but the key thing here is that posting a lot when he gets in trouble is not a town tell here at all, and it feels like people are treating it like one.
Darla is going to be inactive/active regardless of the votes on her.Jahudo wrote:Llamarble isn't strictly OMGUSing. He's against me and I'm not against him. I don't see scum who are trying to save themselves act that way to so many people.
A reason Yosarian is town. Hmmm. I'll have to get back to you on that.
But I'm going to hang out on the Darla wagon for a little bit. Maybe see if she'll come by to answer some questions :/
Vote: DarlaBlueEyes
I don't think I pointed out that I thought you were softclaiming until I realized you weren't actually softclaiming. There was nothing wrong with how I handled that IIRC.Fate wrote:Softclaiming cop is poor play. Pointing it out is worse.bobsnox wrote:Bub - I already said I thought Fate was softclaiming cop or something
Well, yes. I explained this.bobsnox wrote:His 16th post is strange. He basically says "DLG and Bub have good reasons for voting Darla and you [bobsnox] don't." But in saying that, he implies that he still doesn't find the case against her convincing.
This is a possibility I've considered. The basis of our argument seems to be a strong theory disagreement.Fate wrote:Fishy and DLG immediately get into a crossvoting town on town dickfight. Joy.
I think given Final Fires soft-claim from earlier, Llamarble had no choice. If he guessed wrong on a PR, Final Fires would have CC'd and sealed the deal. I think he tried and failed to get an idea of what PR Final Fires really was and defaulted to VT.Fate wrote:Ah so Llmarble claims VT. Yeah I guess this seals it, Llmarble is bad obvtown.
*sigh*
I'll humor you enough to say Yosarian2's ISO. The best point you have against Yosarian2 is that he becomes highly suspicious for his efforts to derail the DarlaBlueEyes wagon if and only if she flips scum. Of course, you also pointed out Jahudo doing the same thing. The big difference between what they did and what Fishythefish did is that they were doing these things earlier on and Fishythefish did it right when the town was at lynch point. Yet, Fishythefish is obvTown and they are likely scum? Does not compute for me.Fate wrote:NOW IF ANYONE has any hesitation to vote Yosarian, please direct me toward your concerns and I will ease them, and we can lynch Yosarian together.
Isn't anymore likely than Llamarble is on the verge of being lynched because he's scum and his team won't NK him.Fate wrote:Marble is on the verge of being lynched because he claimed VT and scum don't want to NK him.
Just be careful next time you sit down. Llamarble's nose is likely to break off up in there.Llamarble wrote:I think "being Fate" is an investigative role.
I think you were swinging around wildly. Most of the explinations for those swings were weak at best, llama. Your comment that FF was "lining up lynches" was absurd. So was your theory that I was working with Bub to try to mislynch Darla, or whatever it was. Your attack on the DLG was weird and creepy, and you can give whatever justifiaction about who he "should" have been attacking you want; it seems pretty clear that you just didn't like that he was voting for you. Your attack on me pretty clearly has similar motivations, as do pretty much all of your attacks.Llamarble wrote: "Post 7 included a vague attack at scum piling" on my wagon as an aside at the sudden increase in my wagon's size after I started making my case against Bidderskins (and specifically the fact that Bidderskins himself joined). The bulk and main purpose of that post was an explanation of my reads on Darla.
Post 8 I attacked Bub. Yes.
Post 9 I found a recent post of FF's to be weird because he appeared to be dropping alignment knowledge and lining up lynches, so I reread him. Post 13 is the result of that reread, namely that I still found FF to be town.
Post 10 I attack DLG for voting me because he claimed to believe whisky was lying, which should have given whisky way higher lynch priority from townDLG's perspective.
Post 11 I do say Whiskey also looks scummy for bandwagoning and lack of scumhunting.
Post 15 I say I don't think the whisky contradiction-business was actually him lying but rather him being sarcastic but say I still believe whisky is scummy for the reasons I mentioned in 11. I defended the contradiction business because I believed it was simply sarcasm and that the town should be aware of this since several players were basing reads off of it. At that point I thought Fishy was scummy because the way he pointed out Bub attacking the people on his wagon made me feel like he was defending Bub in advance and trying to tell him to be less scummy. And Yos has been on my scumlist since my 5th post.
Post 16 I do include whisky in my scumlist. In agreement with 11 and 15. So the accusation of flipflopping there is simply inaccurate.
Presenting all the things I did without the accompanying reasons makes it sound like I am swinging around wildly. I did indeed analyze a lot of players and discuss a lot of things in a short period of time. Responding to the reasons people are going after me and analyzing players is not the same thing as "attacking anyone who attacks me." My primary scumread, Bub, joined my wagon after I voted him. For some reason Yosarian declares me scum trying to fight out of a corner instead of town doing so. I believe this is because he wanted to mislynch me.
I think you've been much more worried about self-preservation then about anything else.
^This is not scum worried abotu self-preservation. He calls the counter wagon, thatLlamarble wrote:I don't think Whiskey is scum either, though I'm in the middle of a post on that.
Let's lynch BB.
I try hard not to get lynched as all roles and all alignments.
Not getting lynched is playing toward your wincon unless you're a jester.
Also VT happens to be my favorite normal role.