Mini 1,115: Ozy and Millie Mafia (Game over!)

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Not voting (10): Antihero, Empking, Fishythefish, Ghostlin, Jerbs, LlamaFluff, Packbat, Parama, werewolf555, Zyrconium

With

10

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch.

[Parama]

Well, SK can kill mafia, so I'd assume that mafia would want SK dead.

[LlamaFluff]

LlamaFluff: it's called an arsonist. In fact, SWNII had an arsonist SK so I am shocked that you didn't know this.

Excuse me for forgetting the kill method of a SK in a game that happened a year ago...

I still see it coming from vig more then SK given how bad it is for a SK to kill a claimed VT the first night. SK isnt supposed to scumhuntkill until mid-late game. I can see a vig making that kill much more so.

Its going to be Zyrc/Fishy/Pack? Is Ghost a VI or scum? The answer to these or more as the game progresses. I think the answers are "two of the three" and "maybe even both".

[Zyrconium]

@Zyrc - Why is vezok scum?

Is this question still relevant?

SK:
Ghostlin

This makes sense.

SK is almost for sure not a SK but a vig with those kills.

This however makes more sense.

3 of these 4 are our mafia:
Llama
Packbat
Fishy
Jerbs

This makes slightly less sense.

Scum is actually in - Zyrc/Fishy/Emp/Parma.

This one is actually disturbing though, I'll start with: "Why fishy?"

EBWOP: If Werewolf even has a investigation, that is.

No, I'd like to hear who he investigated even if he got blocked.(I can't see anyway it'd hurt at least)

[LlamaFluff]

Scum is actually in - Zyrc/Fishy/Emp/Parma.

This one is actually disturbing though, I'll start with: "Why fishy?"

Odd that you are concerned about it... but its beacuse you two look like scum together all over the place.

EBWOP: If Werewolf even has a investigation, that is.

No, I'd like to hear who he investigated even if he got blocked.(I can't see anyway it'd hurt at least)

I cant see anyway it would help either, which means its more likely to hurt.

[Parama]

3 of these 4 are our mafia:
Llama
Packbat
Fishy
Jerbs

This makes slightly less sense.

Scum is actually in - Zyrc/Fishy/Emp/Parma.

This one is actually disturbing though, I'll start with: "Why fishy?"

Any reason you didn't ask me the same thing?

[Packbat]

Who would be a SK and kill with fire for that matter?

...point. All I can think of are the dragons, and Llewellyn was town.

The kill makes next to no sense from a SK, and very little from a vig. Little >> none

Is it you and not Parama?

I'm not going to claim right now, obviously, but I don't want to rule out an SK either. If either SK or Mafia was near the top of the lists of people LynchMePls had as scum - which as indicated in the link includes me, obviously, but also Parama and Ghostlin, and possibly Empking - that kill might be self-defense of the obvious kind. Empking I still think is town, but Parama being the common thread between every wagon (including LMP's) I do think is worth looking at if it starts looking more like a serial killer than like a vigilante.

p-edit: ...that's a good point. Zyrconium, why?

[Fishythefish]

I endorse the questions asked of zryc. I can't see any good reason to ask about me rather than anyone else, or to question Llama but not Parama.

@Llama: your scumlist was Zryc/Fishy/Emp/Para. But then you said
"Its going to be Zyrc/Fishy/Pack? Is Ghost a VI or scum? The answer to these or more as the game progresses. I think the answers are "two of the three" and "maybe even both"."
Where did Pack suddenly come from?

@Parama: why is Pack scum?

V/LA this weekend (Friday-Monday).

@werewolf: claim please.

[Empking]

And note the utter lack of people calling Werewolf scum. Just as I predicted.

I'll put my vote on Zyrc for now but if Werewolf doesn't come up with a result I'll be pushing the lynch on him.

Vote: Zyrc

[Ghostlin]

And note the utter lack of people calling Werewolf scum. Just as I predicted.

I'll put my vote on Zyrc for now but if Werewolf doesn't come up with a result I'll be pushing the lynch on him.

Vote: Zyrc

Oh, Werewolf's still scum. I still believe he's still scum. At this point tho', I'd rather wait for him to dig his own grave.

[Zyrconium]

This one is actually disturbing though, I'll start with: "Why fishy?"

Any reason you didn't ask me the same thing?

As I said, Llama's list concerns me, what with it containing me(who I'll ignore for now), a relatively null, slightly town read who is null enough I can't see Llama building a solid case on him(i.e. I would expect more, easy target Emp, and Parama, who he hadn't said anything alignment-wise about until that post...

I also expected the cases to overlap, obviously this didn't happen, so I'd be happy to hear your explanation too, same with the Packbat case, and I totally wouldn't complain about hearing the other two either....

@Llama: your scumlist was Zryc/Fishy/Emp/Para. But then you said
"Its going to be Zyrc/Fishy/Pack? Is Ghost a VI or scum? The answer to these or more as the game progresses. I think the answers are "two of the three" and "maybe even both"."
Where did Pack suddenly come from?

Better question is where did Ghost come from, your post suggest you'd give him at least even odds of being a scumVI, but you don't seem to think he's scum(assuming "scum is in" means "only X can be scum", like it does in English)

[Ghostlin]

@Llama: your scumlist was Zryc/Fishy/Emp/Para. But then you said
"Its going to be Zyrc/Fishy/Pack? Is Ghost a VI or scum? The answer to these or more as the game progresses. I think the answers are "two of the three" and "maybe even both"."
Where did Pack suddenly come from?

Better question is where did Ghost come from, your post suggest you'd give him at least even odds of being a scumVI, but you don't seem to think he's scum(assuming "scum is in" means "only X can be scum", like it does in English)

I can't be that much of a VI, I called LMP as town; when half of town was calling him scum. Yes, I called vezok scum, but his play was quintessently horrible. If you think my play is horrible enough to be on scum list, you should be voting me. Fact is, we've got a Cop claim who's yet to yield an investigation; a Vig/SK running around loose (I'd lean towards Vig m'self) and...not much has changed from Day 1; except the second largest bandwagon for town on Day 1 was dead.

[LlamaFluff]

Where did Pack suddenly come from?

SK fear mongering. Im fairly sure one of him-Parama is scum at this point, just a matter of who.

This one is actually disturbing though, I'll start with: "Why fishy?"

Any reason you didn't ask me the same thing?

As I said, Llama's list concerns me, what with it containing me(who I'll ignore for now), a relatively null, slightly town read who is null enough I can't see Llama building a solid case on him(i.e. I would expect more, easy target Emp, and Parama, who he hadn't said anything alignment-wise about until that post...

Well, I still think you are scum for previous reasoning, plus the fact that you are running around just quoting people and going "interesting" instead of actually saying something (a tell when cop is alive*). Fishy is probably scum if you are scum, if you arent he is null-ish. Emp wants to lynch the cop (scumtell), and Parama just made me really uncomfortable with his pushes yesterday (and lack of in some cases), making me think Parama-Emp team. Funny to note is Parama doesnt fit too well into a you-fish team. Ghost is pinging me a whole lot, and im grappling on VI or scum fight. Usually I have a read down on VI players at this point and lack of one is concerning.

*Scum are nervous about cop results (unless there is a RB) and will react accordingly. If they know they did not get investigated, they will be less afraid to make connection tells. I am increasingly confident in wolf-cop though given the miller flip. I have seen one game with a miller and no cop, and that was a game where scum had a framer to throw them off as well.

Vote Zyrc

[StrangerCoug]

V/LA this weekend (Friday-Monday).

Noted. Bold something like this next time.

[werewolf555]

Personally I was roleblocked and if that makes me scum go ahead.

Not really voting Zyrc because I don't really see why.

V/LA for friday and saturday

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: werewolf

He's scum.

[Jerbs]

Vote werwolf

he's gonna mess us up later if we dont kill him now

I'll post more soon

[werewolf555]

how about we try and lynch scum rb today
then I can get a result

[StrangerCoug]

V/LA for friday and saturday

Noted.

[Parama]

Okay, Jerbs is most certainly scum, even if werewolf is scum.

[Parama]

Actually, yeah.

unvote, vote: Jerbs

pro lynch right here. better than Packbat even.

[Packbat]

Vote werwolf

he's gonna mess us up later if we dont kill him now

I'll post more soon

...policy lynch? Why? Is werewolf555 that poor a player?

[Jerbs]

a claimed cop will give us cans of wifom if he's still alive at lylo or mylo

[Packbat]

I'm not seeing it - the cop's claim should be trusted as far as the cop is, simple as that. The claim doesn't mean much in a closed setup where counterclaiming isn't a useful option.

VOTE: Parama

Care to explain your reasoning, pard?

[StrangerCoug]

Bumping over the count.