A Storm of Swords - Lay your swords down!

[GreyICE]

Cool beans. I'm sure this will be great WIFOM when you do kill me. You said it in thread so the scum killed me to implicate you. Absolutely grade A vintage.

Let them.

OH wait

Do you

know

I'm town???

Did you just slip up?

Well either I slipped up, or you're illiterate as well as being scum.

I'll lean towards the latter myself. But fuck it, why not hard claim total waste of a spot after soft claiming scum?

[Twilight Sparkle]

Cool beans. I'm sure this will be great WIFOM when you do kill me. You said it in thread so the scum killed me to implicate you. Absolutely grade A vintage.

Let them.

OH wait

Do you

know

I'm town???

Did you just slip up?

He said "when you do kill me." He thinks you're scum, will kill him tonight, then tomorrow say, 'scum killed me to implicate me based off of this post!'.

I don't personally agree with that line of thinking, but it's certainly not a scumslip.

GreyICE:

Have you played with any of us before? You seem to know all three of us, but at least personally, your name isn't ringing any bells.

-hito

[DrippingGoofball]

He said "when you do kill me." He thinks you're scum, will kill him tonight, then tomorrow say, 'scum killed me {you must mean 'GreyICE'} to implicate me based off of this post!'.

Ah, yeah, maybe. Well I'm going to NK him anyway so. You can lynch me today or tomorrow. If you lynch me tomorrow, then at least you'll have gotten rid of a major game annoyance.

[Twilight Sparkle]

He said "when you do kill me." He thinks you're scum, will kill him tonight, then tomorrow say, 'scum killed me {you must mean 'GreyICE'} to implicate me based off of this post!'.

Ah, yeah, maybe. Well I'm going to NK him anyway so. You can lynch me today or tomorrow. If you lynch me tomorrow, then at least you'll have gotten rid of a major game annoyance.

[Bunnylover]

@MoI: Well how can we tell when she been sarcastic and not? What if she is an infinite Dayvigging Scum v_v? Yes I joke on that, but seriously I'm not going to play that game, "Oh was that you been sarcastic in this post or did you mean it." IF a player is playing sarcastically that just creates a shit load of WIFOM. Did they mean this post, or were they been sarcastic.

[MagnaofIllusion]

You know what would be great? If we could stop the soft-claiming going on ...

I understand in Cow's case given his PR why he more or less had to but others of you don't have any reason to be giving up your charater.

[chesskid3]

Unvote

Vote: Bunnylover

idiotic reactions to obv sarcasm make one scum
die die die

[diddin]

Unvote; Vote: DGB

I'm not seeing the usual aggressive scumhunting/unfounded declarations in the vein of 'x is town and y is scum' that I expect from a pro-town DGB. The LMP vote is weak and hasn't been followed up on, which makes me doubt how scummy DGB found either of the things she based it on.

Meta cases on Page 3? lol no

/waits for ChessKid to come in and create 10 pages based on why people should mass nameclaim for governer status.

Mini Theme != large theme. Shut up.

Unvote

Vote: Shadow

Go read Pirates mafia that just ended, this idiot blew it in LYLO in a spectacular fashion.


..GreyIce is also scum. Fake "lol i don't trust anyone but me" is fake.

Raise: Dana

<3

Don't really like this either. It just looks like you want to lynch him for his bad play and don't even think he'll flip scum.

@TS: Frankly I don't like the ability and probably don't even want it to be used. It basically a WIFOM situation if a townie uses it on a scum player and that scum flips.

@hasdgfas 97: Did you just do the macorania (or however you spell it) o_o?

Did DGB just claim scum

:headdesk:

Not liking GreyICE at all. His talk about having everyone vote him is nonsense for the hand raising. The Hand ability DOES, in fact, have uses for us whether it goes to town or not. Now that the mod has confirmed scum cannot use it for instawin LYLO, it gives us more information by giving it to out biggest townread than a guy shouting HEY I'M TOWN I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG MAKE ME THE HAND.

Post 88 is a weak attack too. Using lame Wiki tells like IIoA and not liking someone's use of stats while not explaining WHY the stats are bad at all. If anything calling Magna on IIoA is hypocritical because your post contained little ANALYSIS of MoI's statistics.

Vote: GreyICE

BTW are you an alt?

Raise DrippingGoofBall

DBG has actually been my biggest townread so far in this game, don't know about anybody else.

[GreyICE]

He said "when you do kill me." He thinks you're scum, will kill him tonight, then tomorrow say, 'scum killed me to implicate me based off of this post!'.

I don't personally agree with that line of thinking, but it's certainly not a scumslip.

GreyICE:

Have you played with any of us before? You seem to know all three of us, but at least personally, your name isn't ringing any bells.

-hito

I'm in Brotherhood of the Wolf with Mina, and I like her from that game (ongoing game, yadda yadda). You, I don't know. Sotty hasn't posted yet. So I'm just treating your hydra like it was Mina in a thread without rabid wolverines. I also love the nickname Sparky, and you're now stuck with it, Sparky

As for an 'argument' I wouldn't call what I posted that, but I'm distinctly disgusted with the wine that was given to me in that post. I'll say it before, I'll say it again. I'm a simple man - you put those two goblets of wine in front of me, I shove one down your throat and one up your ass. Problem solved.

[Eddard Stark]

Vote count 1.2

Twilight Sparkle (1) Zdenek
Percy (2) LynchMePls, Magua
Zdenek (1) MagnaofIllusion

Shadow1psc (4) Hasdgfas, zoraster, Twilight Sparkle, Mikujin

DrippingGoofball (3) GreyICE, Bunnylover, Locke Lamora
chesskid3 (1) Benmage
xvart (1) Song of Ice and Fire
Mikujin (1) Danakillsu
LynchMePls (1) DrippingGoofball
Bunnylover (1) chesskid3
GreyICE (1) diddin

Not voting (8) Nexus, Percy, xvart, Xtoxm, Raivann, Shadow1psc, Feysal, Kast

With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

Raise Count 1.2

Locke Lamora (1) Locke Lamora
LynchMePls (1) LynchMePls
MagnaOfIllusion (1) MagnaofIllusion
Hasdgfas (1) Hasdgfas
GreyICE (1) - GreyICE
Twilight Sparkle (1) Magua
Mikujin (1) Mikujin
DrippingGoofball (2) Danakillsu, diddin
Bunnylover (1) Bunnylover
Danakillsu (1) chesskid3

Not raising (14)Nexus , Benmage, Percy, xvart, Xtoxm, Raivann, Zdenek, Zoraster, Twilight Sparkle, Song of ice and fire, DrippingGoofball, Feysal, Kast, Shadow1psc

With 25 alive it takes 13 to raise someone

*Any mistakes in the votecount PLEASE point them out. God knows it'd not be the first time I made a mistake.
* No one is currently due a prod
* xvart is currently on v/la

[DrippingGoofball]

The Shadow1psc wagon is really lame. Everyone on it should feel like a lollipop snatcher.

[Zdenek]

GreyICE, zoraster initiated the calls for people to not self-vote, but I believe you've only directed complaints at DGB. Why is this?

It seems to me that it is unlikely that we are going to learn anything of value from these early votes to raise at all (regardless of whether or not they are self-votes), and who people chose to raise will only become important as the day goes on. As a result of this line of reasoning, I find Magua's argument against self-voting in post 40 to be a bit of a stretch.

I feel uneasy about GreyICE at the moment. On the one hand, I would be surprised if as scum he would be this willing to throw himself into the spotlight, but on the other hand, his attacks on DGB seem weak and contrived.

I am in agreement with Twilight Sparkle's discussion of Magna's statistical analysis and his complaint that it is now worthless.

Mod and all, I will be V/LA from tomorrow until Monday. It is not clear just how limited my access will be at the moment.

[Kast]

@GreyIce-
I didn't only mean your paranoia about governor power; you're overreacting to almost everyone on almost everything. It rubs me wrong. Do you have any links to past games where you similarly go crazy over nothing?

As far as the governor ability and your question, Governor can't self nominate. If it came down to a 3 player lylo with 2 town and 1 scum, having the 1 scum be the only person who can't become lynch immune is clearly better than the alternatives. Of course, you're asking about a silly isolated situation without considering how we arrive there; it's not really that relevant.

I'm curious though, if you really think it's such an evil/bad/anti-town power, then why the hell are you asking to be made Governor instead of forming a coalition to force a tie and eliminate it?

@Cow's post restriction-
The effort being put into figuring out alternative forms of communication seem pointless. He's been able to communicate so far, and I'm sure he's bright enough to communicate more if he has need.

[Shadow1psc]

The only other thing I'd like to know from Hasg is if he can vote/raise or not. Also I have to wonder (and if I'm over-stepping my bounds or this is something we don't want scum to know, ignore it), does breach of your restriction result in a) modkill, or b) tree-stumping? If I'm going too far into modkill territory myself by asking, just ignore this >_>

[Benmage]

I'd join the wagon on my bro Percy.....but we should already get down to business. Which VI goes first?

vote chesskid

You know I'm all about the policy lynches, but shadow is cheeky scum.

Cheeky?

Just us, I think.

Whose your third?

THIS IS NOT RVS. SCUM WILL SEEK TO RAISE OTHER SCUM.

Don't you *want* scum to raise other scum?

Yep.

It would seem to me more scummy that people bw raise another person. Self raising doesn't seem inherently scummy in the slightest. Inb4 "you're scum for not thinking what you did is scummy"

No, you're scummy for Raising without voting and your only justification for self-raising being "a concise way to piss off zoraster."

Deliberate pissing off??? TOWNTELL.

Raising someone else tells us nothing about you *at this point in time*. Three days from now, it may tell us quite a bit about you.

We should raise the best of the best of us.

Hence we should raise me.

Noooooottt really, no. Don't have this amazing desire to find out what scum can do with a governor power. Don't have an amazing desire to find out if there's any powers that scum have brought online with this "Hand of the King" mechanic. Don't have any desire to find out that they have some sort of godfather powers or turn cops naive, or can get some cool thing if they're hand.

They dont. This mechanic is to be fun. Like I said it was put here to speed through a rvs, and moreover give scum (apparently like yourself) something to dwell on/talk about/hide behind. Also this power is WEAK as shit. It is a NERFED version of the previous Hand because the previous Hand if in the powers of a scum was doomed to be dead soon, and for balance purposes I

know

the mods downed it.

Raise: Bunnylover

Lets face it, for those who have played with me, you know that the only way for me to be good is to be unlynchable v_v. So those who were in Gorrad favorite ficitional mafia game, unraise your hand for yourself and raise it for me.

You can't make yourself unlynchable. So raise me. I'll let you live for a little longer one way or another.

And yet the very fact that you know this statistic tells us that scum could easily have seen this and decided to self-raise because "that's what town does".

I don't like the governor power in play in the first place, and I don't trust whoever gets it.

Thats fine. Drop the issue at that. Put it in the best players hands...mine...and put them under scrutiny.

GreyICE comes across as dumb (he seems unable to understand that just as he doesn't trust anyone else and would prefer to have the power in his hands, everyone else feels the same way), but I'm not sure about scummy at this point.

This….I’m feeling a furclow in the making and I don’t like it.

My suggestion is simply to stop raising anyone at all until things are a little more settled. By halfway through the day, we can make town reads PLUS we can make reads based on Hand raises.

One thing is for sure: the Hand should be picked by at least a large plurality. We can't let it be picked by 2 or 3 people.

Duh

Scum tend to like to show false bravado, in my experience.

Woahhhhh....could not disagree more. Scum like to sit in the shadows and see what others do.

Unvote; Vote: DGB

I'm not seeing the usual aggressive scumhunting/unfounded declarations in the vein of 'x is town and y is scum' that I expect from a pro-town DGB. The LMP vote is weak and hasn't been followed up on, which makes me doubt how scummy DGB found either of the things she based it on.

This looks like a real vote/real attempts at reasoning for the vote....What pg are we on???

I'm calling LL scum. Too much justification.

To be fair, I don't see many games hit the ground running so hard. There's usually a few pages of random-whatever-stage before people start harping on things, so I threw down some comedy. Though I'm glad I could be a catalyst of discussion.

This is just a novice-TOWN-player.

Oh I would also like to take this opportunity to mention that my character was once the hand of the king
so
I deserve it

VIdiot claims Twyin Lannister. Lets lynch already.

I'm going to ask something a bit strange. Do people think that a one-shot governor would be useful for town? Say, on a town read in LYLO who looks lynchable but whom you're sooooo sure was town (which is a double-edged sword, if you're wrong or it )?

Right now, I think the role would mainly have a scum benefit, and even then, only when played at the right time. I'm asking because we're discussing the best use of the role in the Hydra QT. We'll explain more, later.

We can just waste the ability early on if we fear it….its really not very powerful.

So far you've added nothing but wall post after wall post, IIoA, and no fucking analysis whatsoever. I am telling you the truth, I am town, you are not helping the town.

Idiot confirmed....I MEAN! Oh your town ANDDDDD telling the truth!....WOw i totally believe you...this TOTALLY isn't FLUFF. (internetsarcasm)

I'm in the spotlight. You think this is a scum gambit? It's not.

This is why you're idiot-town...but Can't be governor. This is why I should be governor.

It has to go on town who will not abuse it or misuse it, because the ideal use, in all likelihood, is to

never use it.

No. Just use it today and it'll be wasted, and headache/wine cleared….although the upside of using it in a badass fashion is gone.

Let's lynch scummy (regardless of VI status). However, deviation from expected behavior will likely influence whether something done by a specific player is actually scummy or not.

Negative. That just means we'll be lynching them later in the game...best to get em dead early when we can afford todo so.

********Are you Ser Ilyn Payne?

Did DGB just claim scum

Is that a serious fucking question. Just proxy your vote to me already.

[Benmage]

How many VIs do you count in this game, Magna?

From those who need to die quickest.
1)Chesskid3
9) Danakillsu
25) Bunnylover
20) A song of ice and fiure-unknown
14) Shadow1psc-town VI
21) GreyICE-town VI

There’s a couple honorable…dishonorable? mentions I’ll keep an eye on

Because I am leery of people who say "Policy lynching a VI D1 is the smart move" when there's more than one VI.

We’ll lynch them all.

My question to you – why no direct questions for Benmage based on this reasoning? He suggested that there are more than one VI in his post.

LOOK. Town can win this probably lynching 1 scum the whole game. Odds are there’s a scum Team of the North Robb Stark etc etc, and Odds are there’s a Stannis scum team. That alone means there will likely be crosskilled.

YOU KNOW WHO WONT BE NIGHTKILLED The aforementioned idiots. It is our job as the town to kill em all. We don’t need to kill scum today tomorrow or the next day to win this. We need to kill off the unreadable. The ones who even if town will lose us the game.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, Benmage is scum.

Blatant rolefishing.

[DrippingGoofball]

Blatant rolefishing.

Gratuitous wikitell detected.

[Raivann]

VOTE: greyice

[Kast]

@Benmage-
Given the choice between:
Lynching scum now and not being able to lynch a VI later
-OR-
Lynching a VI now and not being able to lynch scum later

I'll take the former thanks.

Policy lynch as an excuse to avoid finding/lynching scum is horrible. If you aren't actually pushing/defending that, then please clarify and explain yourself because that's what your post implies.
-Suggesting that we can sit back and let scum do all the work for us reinforces the impression that you're intentionally pushing an extremely anti-town strategy.

[DrippingGoofball]

We're not policy lynching. We're lynching scum.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE, zoraster initiated the calls for people to not self-vote, but I believe you've only directed complaints at DGB. Why is this?

Asking people not to selfvote is not scummy. Attempting to threaten people into not self voting is scummy, because it shuts off discussion. DGB has done nothing to foster discussion, and attempted to call it off. Everything since then has apparently been an attempt to play off having a 'sarcastic' meta. Lets ask a simple question, using Scumage's example of apparent "Village Idiots:" would Chesskid be given a pass for similar behavior? Oh, no? Why are we giving her a pass? She's scum, got called on it, and is trying to get her way out of it on this meta bullshit.

I'm curious though, if you really think it's such an evil/bad/anti-town power, then why the hell are you asking to be made Governor instead of forming a coalition to force a tie and eliminate it?

Yeaaaahhhh. So lets see, I need a majority to agree to give me the power to keep it out of the hands of anyone who will misuse it, but any single townie could put it into someone's hands with one vote/unvote at the end of the day?

Yeah, fuck that noise. We wouldn't need a majority, we'd need a total consensus.

[Benmage]

@Benmage-
Given the choice between:
Lynching scum now and not being able to lynch a VI later
-OR-
Lynching a VI now and not being able to lynch scum later

I'll take the former thanks.

Lol...what retarded options are these. A) We probably won't lynch scum D1. B) Why is killing an idiot today equate to not killing scum tomorrow?....Whereas C) Having idiots in endgame CAN equal a lose. As seen by last game, and moreover numerous games. We eliminate C and are stuck with D) A smaller pool of players,more information to work with and no handicaps.

[Benmage]

We're not policy lynching. We're lynching scum.

Scum? Whose scum? I don't see any scum....I do see some obvious idiots worth killing.

[DrippingGoofball]

Lol...what retarded options are these. A) We probably won't lynch scum D1.

We will lynch scum if we lynch Locke Lamora.

B) Why is killing an idiot today equate to not killing scum tomorrow?....

Enough mislynches will lose us the game.

C) Having idiots in endgame CAN equal a lose.

But that's the case in every game so....... and games are won.

Enough of that nonsense.