New Designer Mafia (Victor(s) are crowned)

[Nocmen]

Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?

Xalxe, why are you now against people doing what was originally your suggestion?

[Nocmen]

ok
this wagon is fucking horrible

2 votes is a wagon when it takes 12 to lynch?

[Nocmen]

What Internet Stranger just said. I also feel that it takes the fun when one can anticpate the roles. I'm not giving anymore information about my roles out. Part of why I played this game is because of the fun and wacky roles that can occur

[Nocmen]

All you're doing is taking the game away from scumhunters and making this to be a spreadsheet exercise. I'm here to catch scum, not play some bastardized version of Clue.

I'm not sure I'm interpreting this correctly. The signup thread warns that you are not guaranteed to have any of your submitted roles in the game, which implies that it's possible for somebody to have more than one of their submitted roles in play.

Or no role at all which is why speculating does nothing for us.

@Everyone- If we have a list of everyones claimed roles and someone claims a role not on that list, would you consider them scummy?

Not immediately. I feel that as part of designer different roles can be tweaked and modified and combined/removed at the whim of the mod for balance.

[Nocmen]

Xalxe the issue I have is that you are making such a big deal with the claims, you suggested it in the first post, and yet you are reluctant to give your own claim.

Taking out the vote I was going to put here, with DeathNote's vote I feel this is slightly too fast for a wagon this early

[Nocmen]

And more flawed logic! Pressure (n) 2 or 3 votes applied to a player to make them talk.

I'm talking with about five.

Maybe with 10-12 people, 2-3 votes is good pressure. But when it takes that many to lynch(10-12), that's when 2-3 is barely anything.

And I saw your claim now, I was looking for the post where you actually said it and not just in your grid, which is where it is

[Nocmen]

Yea, the main unique role I submitted is dead. It was the drug dealer, which i breadcrumbed in my first post, because I didn't want to directly say it yet.

That's hte answer to DeathNotes 117. Yes, I submitted the drug dealer role.

[Nocmen]

No, the role was solely a drug dealer. Who honestly played just like an inventor.

[Nocmen]

Do you think it would be possible for Olinea to get the role they submitted?

[Nocmen]

Vote: Furcolow

My gut says that Olinea is town.

[Nocmen]

172.

[Nocmen]

I'm thinking that someone is trying to frame olinea with their role, and I'm pretty sure it's someone on the wagon that killed chesskid. Still staying on Furc though, because of his slip in 172.

[Nocmen]

Furc: Do you thnik a single scum group would be able to set lovers, detonate, and take your vote away all at once?

Also, Let's look at your slip, bolded for emphasis

I'm not confirming your role, even if this little gimmick is true, which I believe it will be even if you don't have the ability and are scum. Do scum have daytalk? If they do, or even if you got to talk before the night ended, you could know that I didn't have a vote as a result of your scum partner having taken my vote away from me so that it could be then used as a double voter by your team.

Even IF you are town, with this ability, you've done nothing but hurt us so far.

I really doubt you had it, as when you bolded the word detonate, I fully expected CoolDog to die. Guess what happaned on the same page? CoolDog died.

I'm not buying your votecount defense, as the mod could have been taking his time for an awesome writeup (thanks for hosting, by the way!)

First, basically, I'm going to confirm my vote. I will then, possibly, place it on you, though I am seeing this as pointless and not indicative of your role or alignment whatsoever. There are simply too many explanations. The fact you have this knowledge, to me, seems like to much. However, I would be willing to let you stick around and get rolechecked.

Two things:
1. Did you just say you think he didn't have the detonator? And yet you're saying you think he did now?
2. Take a look at who exploded. Why would you think Cooldog would die, unless 1. you knew about the lovers and 2. you knew chess would be detonated?

[Nocmen]

Furc: Do you thnik a single scum group would be able to set lovers, detonate, and take your vote away all at once?

Also, Let's look at your slip, bolded for emphasis

I'm not confirming your role, even if this little gimmick is true, which I believe it will be even if you don't have the ability and are scum. Do scum have daytalk? If they do, or even if you got to talk before the night ended, you could know that I didn't have a vote as a result of your scum partner having taken my vote away from me so that it could be then used as a double voter by your team.

Even IF you are town, with this ability, you've done nothing but hurt us so far.

I really doubt you had it, as when you bolded the word detonate, I fully expected CoolDog to die. Guess what happaned on the same page? CoolDog died.

I'm not buying your votecount defense, as the mod could have been taking his time for an awesome writeup (thanks for hosting, by the way!)

First, basically, I'm going to confirm my vote. I will then, possibly, place it on you, though I am seeing this as pointless and not indicative of your role or alignment whatsoever. There are simply too many explanations. The fact you have this knowledge, to me, seems like to much. However, I would be willing to let you stick around and get rolechecked.

Two things:
1. Did you just say you think he didn't have the detonator? And yet you're saying you think he did now?
2. Take a look at who exploded. Why would you think Cooldog would die, unless 1. you knew about the lovers and 2. you knew chess would be detonated?

I had seen him talk about it, and the way the conversation had gone, I expected it to happen. The thread, at the time of me catching up, already said two were dead. Capiche?

No, that makes no sense to me.

[Nocmen]

Tasky, if you want to share and try and convince us why you think Olinea is scum, please by all means do so.

Also, I'd like to hear other opinions of my post 274, as I still feel that Furc is pretty scummy, more so by his recent mediocre explanations that myself and SC pointed out.

I'm curious though why zora has made such a big deal about possible scumtells in the video, seems too WIFOM for my liking.

ender: Furc is scum.

[Nocmen]

I agree with fish that any of these roles could be viable as both town or scum.

I'm not too sure with Ender's claim that he only has one bomb. I really want to hear from who submitted that role if that was part of hte restriction.

Furc is still obv scum, I'm kinda dissappointed everyone is ignoring that.

[Nocmen]

Nocmen

Nocmen posts in much the same manner as myself, and has good reads. Well done sir.

Nocmen's Question:

Is there any way CooLDoG could have influenced the game already? As in, could he have given an item to somebody thus far?

The role was every night. Unless they could use it N0, no.

[Nocmen]

@ender241: Why did you wait so long to claim Post Bomber?

Second this

[Nocmen]

I see the point in IS's vote, but not so much Zaj's.

[Nocmen]

Nocmen

: Why are you so concerned with clearing Olinea? You seem convinced he is being framed and thus go after everyone on his wagon, but there is some merit to the case; i.e., Tasky’s gambit achieved a scummy reaction.

It's not so much that I wanted to clear him. It's slightly more weird now that we know who claimed the kill, which I mainly believed Olinea to not have killed. I was making a stupid connection of basically saying since Olinea didn't kill, then they must be town. And as I look back at that now, I realize just how silly I am for that, making me need to reread Olinea's case.

Xalxe how do you define scumhunting?

Also please scumlist in your following post.

Second this, I don't think by asking people for a town/scum list, you are scumhunting.

[Nocmen]

Furc wagon is ridiculous, he is playing a townie Furc game.

Can you show me examples of why this is? I'm not liking furc's play so far, and to add to this his hopping on a wagon, I want to see why you think he's town.

[Nocmen]

I'm here, been busy, I'll have a good post tomorrow

[Nocmen]

Xalxe, why? A jester role was submitted.

Because the first rule of role submission is

don't talk about role submission

it has to work for town or scum. Town Jester? No. Scum Jester? No. Jester? No.

Also, forgot to mention before, nice votehop Furcolow.

Wait...so you don't think that any third parties are possible? Why?

[Nocmen]

Cant complain about the Furc wagon. I like my vote where it is, though I really don't get why Xalxe thinks there can't be third parties at all.

[Nocmen]

Vote: ender241

This suspicion has not gone away.

Why the suspicion on ender?

Also, Olinea: That is an interesting thing to point out, but I want to hear more based on what SC submitted if SC sent in Furc's role.

[Nocmen]

So XalxeScum, tell me this: Why wont you vote for CougScum?

Notice that CougScum said

MULTIPLE

Scumteams. Not

TWO

. He used the word

MULTIPLE

. So why are you stalling? Clearly the topic is "StrangerCoug, which scumteam is he on?" now, why are you being deliberate in your attempts to avoid the subject?

Why XalxeScum, WHY?

2FOS: Xalxe

In that case, why not lynch obvScum SC?

Vote: Internet Stranger

[Nocmen]

EBWOP: Didn't see the vote then with the broken tag.

Unvote

[Nocmen]

Vote: Internet Stranger

I'm not liking the way he's acted yesterday. I do see where his vote is coming from today though.

[Nocmen]

Also, I'm not going with beliving that chessdog/Coolkid are immediately cleared as town. I know last time I did a designer I got rezzed as scum after being town initially.

[Nocmen]

HI SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL ME HOW MY ROLE WORKS THANKS

You're a gimped inventor.

[Nocmen]

I'm the one who submitted it. I didn't assign colors to them.

[Nocmen]

But from what I did assign, the options were double vote, vote block, role block, role cop.

[Nocmen]

DeathNote, are you STILL not going to respond to ANY point against you?

[Nocmen]

A look at the two major wagons today, and the person I am voting for

Xalxe:
Says to go with the claim of submitted roles, and then doesn't want to give his full claims. To me, this seems like there's a partner or some reason that he wants to keep his roles secret.
Very little content in his early posts besides mentioning the claims.
Votes Furc for what seems to be the same reasons I voted for Furc.
Seems to be willing to flip between Furc and Zaj as each is beneficial.
His questions post is a lot of just actually seeing what people's thoughts are. Not much content revelation, but places a vote for DeathNote here as well.
Doesn't place a vote during Day 2, nor does he contribute much more than repeating some posts about SC.

Overall, I don't like that he's testing the waters, and his votes D1 compared to D2. Seems a bit too cautious with the SC wagon when he seemed happy to vote the first Day.

Question to Xalxe: Why no votes Day 2?

DeathNote:
Seems very convinced that the kill on Chess/cool was a scum kill.
Very little overall content from him.
Don't like his ISO 19, suggesting for a vig kill.
Only votes have been Furc and Xalxe.
Doesn't seem to understand the wagon on SC
Does anyone know if this is his meta/play style, or no?


Internet Stranger:
Votes Xaxle for the claim suggestion
Votes Olinea thinking that she detonated.
Blames Olinea for setting up Furc with the kill - Where did this idea come from? I can't find the link from Olinea to Furc regarding either of them being the possible detonator.
I do like his attacks though on Dana, seems very in line with someone who is questioning and actively scanning for scum.
I don't like his mentions of Furc though. I feel that it is likely IS is a partner with Furc.
Has actively focused on both SC and Xalxe. I don't like that he focuses so much on these people. Since his attack on Dana, I feel that he's tunneled a bit too much on 3/4 people.

I'm keeping my vote on IS for now, but I'm definitely curious to see Xalxe's response.

[Nocmen]

Unvote,
Vote: Xalxe

[Nocmen]

At this time, unless I can be extremely convinced otherwise, I will not vote DH.

[Nocmen]

what dont you like about my case, Nocmen?

I see where your case is working, but no case makes sense when DH is town

[Nocmen]

what dont you like about my case, Nocmen?

I see where your case is working, but no case makes sense when DH is town

tell me why should I trust you

Because in this post:

I dont even want to understand what has happened with all the revival and the 1955 snipping.

Furcolow....
....oh right, now I remember you. You're a VI.

When hunting for possible scumpartners, DemonHybrid came up as second suspect.
Other reasons include voting using weak reasoning and backtracking on his read on me to support a lynch on a townie.

DemonHybrid's Question: Who is scum?

tajo and IS I'd say.

tajo makes the most valid point of all. He's really have gotten better as of late.

Vote: Strangercoug

and killing Plum.

Unvote Vote: Demonhybrid.

Every assumption you've made is wrong.

[Nocmen]

1. Using the VI defense to avoid voting for confirmed scum.

2. Backtracking his scum read on me to support a lynch on a confirmed townie.

3. Demonhybrid was one of top Plum suspects.

4. Constant apologizing.

Where is the wrong in my assiumptions?

1 and 2: How is anyone "confirmed" when they were still alive?

3. Because this means that he must have killed Plum....

4. I agree with the AtE, but that was in a different post of yours.

[Nocmen]

Can anyone claim sending in WIR's role?

I'm suspect of it

[Nocmen]

Cooldog, can you confirm that is what the role does? You mentioned that you didn't want to say before.

[Nocmen]

I didn't see that. I'm just ...unsure of this role.

[Nocmen]

bah, humbug. Go town.

[Nocmen]

Yea, I had pretty much no clue with Amrun being scum, but then again, I was mainly trying to convince people about IS near the end of my lifespan.

Good game scum, and well for the town....yea.