New Designer Mafia (Victor(s) are crowned)

[Tasky]

just posting to avoid prod. probably will have time for a lengthy post tomorrow.

[Zajnet]

While I don't like Furc's votehopping, I do think that Xalxe is more likely to be scum. My vote stays.

(If there was ever an XKCD mafia, hat guy would totally be scum.)

[Furcolow]

That's a complete misrepresentation. He is very likely scum, whether or not I'm certain of the fact just shows my lack of knowledge in terms of who is what alignment, honestly.

I only know my own alignment.

[populartajo]

That's a complete misrepresentation.

Errr..., NO.

I liked your promptness in linking to your meta, Xalxe, plus you've been playing better recently
I don't care if you're the top wagon.

I'm not sure you're scum

.

I've been wanting this guy dead all day
vote: xalxe

you are lying to hop to a wagon of someone you are not even sure is scum.

how is that a misrepresentation?

[Furcolow]

How can I ever be sure someone is scum.... I know I'm town, that's all I know, I'm not seeing what you're getting at. Are you purposefully being dense?

[Fashion Llama]

Vote Count

Xalxe (8) - DeathNote, zoraster, Zajnet, Internet Stranger, Sevei, ender241, WhenInRome, Furcolow
Furcolow (5) - Nocmen, populartajo, Xalxe, DemonHybrid, Fishythefish
ender241 (2) - StrangerCoug, danakillsu
Olinea (1) - Tasky
DeathNote (1) - Amrun
DemonHybrid (1) - brokenscraps
Tasky (1) - Olinea

Not Voting (2) - Thadmiral, Plum

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch

[Xalxe]

How can I ever be sure someone is scum.... I know I'm town, that's all I know, I'm not seeing what you're getting at. Are you purposefully being dense?

No, see, you're not listening. What tajo and others are saying is that you have decidedly changed your stance several times, and then proceeded to pretend like the new stance is not new at all.

[danakillsu]

whether or not I'm certain of the fact just shows my lack of knowledge in terms of who is what alignment, honestly.

I only know my own alignment.

This argument, if valid, would mean that no scumtells exist. Everyone could just say "I'm not a cop or mafia, so I only know my own alignment" and excuse anything they ever did. I'm ready to vote you now, this is scummier than anything I've seen from you before.

unvote vote: Furcolow

[Fashion Llama]

Sevei has been prodded

[ThAdmiral]

Up to page 18:
(god there is a lot of content, this is taking way longer than I expected it to)

The fact olinea posted "detonate", and then two people died, considering Olinea posted that they sent in some sort of lover role... That's why I've asked if anyone sent anything like that, because otherwise Olinea's scumteam detonated and loverized them from my perspective. It's just the only sense I can make out of it.

That's assuming they were both day abilities, and could be activated by pm. In which case a terrible move from scum, as if you wouldn't wait until lylo-1, use it and then win the game?
Basically I think you are wrong.

I like the theory of there being a mafia matchmaker but we know that olinea's role is not this matchmaker or the detonator for that matter. We need to reevaluate why we believe him to be scum.

Why is there a "we" in this? Your ISO reveals no prior suspicion of me.

Is this the question you speak of? I consider myself part of the town. We=town. Most of the town seems to think you are scum so I used "we". Was this really a legit question?

Completely legit. The "we" in this case refers to people who were suspicious of me. You were not.

Your answer prompts an obvious follow-up question.

How do you know the people pushing my lynch were Town, and not scum looking for an easy wagon?

Yeah this was weird and a good pick up from Olinea.

@mod: Is it possible that some roles were altered in their mechanics? Purely hypothetically, could an action triggered by bolding in the thread have been switched to triggering by PM, or vice-versa?

~There were no altered mechanics. Only alterations were asthetic.

Ooh. This changes things. The bomb must have been set off by a "detonate" in a post in this case. Unless someone else submitted a role that caused someone to explode.
@ Everyone: did anyone send in a role that caused someone to explode?

I don't know why I haven't asked this earlier, but

Did anyone send in a role that functions as a Daykill when you PM it to the Mod?

Olinea asks the same question.

Alright time to confess, i am a town Post Bomber, my ability was to choose a post number and bomb it. I thought that really i wasn't going to be able to predict who is going to post on a certain number so i did it randomly thinking i'd get lucky but instead i killed 2 people with it sorry guys feel free to lynch me, rather me with absolutely 0 abilities available than Olinea or someone.

Aha. Well that explains a lot.

I'm not assuming ender is town. Why would a town want us to lynch a town member instead of continuing to scumhunt? Implies explicit knowledge that Olinea is town.

I disagree. Given that pretty much the only reason olinea is being voted is because of the detonator stuff it is reasonable of ender to argue that we shouldn't be lynching him.
I think it is a town tell of ender to have claimed. He even breadcrumbed in one of his earlier posts where he said:

I think your pushing a bit too hard on Olinea, chances are there are other power roles that involve bombs.

If he was scum he could have used the situation to frame olinea and jumped on his wagon, but he didn't.

I don't know about Furc. (1)
On the one hand, he's scummy. (2)
On the other, he's ALWAYS scummy, regardless of alignment. (3)
What I mean is I think he's fitting his town meta so far. (4)

four different opinions in four lines about someone who is obvscum. scumpartner number one found.

I think you're trying too hard.

Xalxe does a huge post after being absent for a while. Asks a lot of questions. Feels forced - he wants it to seem like he is doing a lot, but most of the questions are just "list your scumspects".

My last game before this, Rivertown Mafia, I was a Gunsmith who had managed to survive to 5p LyLo. Player list was:

ortiz1193
Furcolow
Olinea
Baby Spice
Fugitive

I had "no gun" results on Baby Spice and Fugitive, so I was ready to peg ortiz as scum since he pulled an

insanely

scummy hammer the day before. Furcolow had stayed in my Town books for a good 2/3 of the game and I didn't think he was overtly scummy so I was skeptical about my results. I waited on my vote, but Furcolow, after seeing that I had innos on Baby Spice and Fugitive, panicked. He was a VT and thought I was fakeclaiming an investigative PR during LyLo to get him lynched (which was a fair assumption, Gunsmith isn't a role that you'd expect to be CC'ed) and immediately voted for me. I was a bit nonchalant about the vote, believing him to be scum and therefore not leading into a quickhammer, but ortiz1193 and Fugitive (Godfather) organized a quickhammer on me and both Furcolow and I lost -- him due to his zealousness, and me due to my ignorance of how carefully people need to vote in LyLo.

Yeah that was awesome. I was on the scum team and had been killed a few days earlier. Still got lots of love for ortiz and fugi for that play.

[Nocmen]

Cant complain about the Furc wagon. I like my vote where it is, though I really don't get why Xalxe thinks there can't be third parties at all.

[StrangerCoug]

That's a complete misrepresentation.

Errr..., NO.

I liked your promptness in linking to your meta, Xalxe, plus you've been playing better recently
I don't care if you're the top wagon.

I'm not sure you're scum

.

I've been wanting this guy dead all day
vote: xalxe

you are lying to hop to a wagon of someone you are not even sure is scum.

how is that a misrepresentation?

Going once... going twice...

SOLD!

UNVOTE: ender241
VOTE: Furcolow

[WhenInRome]

Yeah, the "jester ends game" thing comes from another site, where it's called the fool. I realized that's probably not how it works here, (those games are fast chat-room style) so that was a bad reason. Since I really don't want to keep my vote on someone for a horrible reason (I was afraid of jester), and since Furc seems to be contradicting himself far too often (and since he's just realllllyyyyy scummy), I'll go with a vote that isn't driven by 3rd-party fear (damn you and your stupid bell-hat!)

Mod: Can you confirm if there are 3rd-party roles?

[Xalxe]

Yeah, the "jester ends game" thing comes from another site, where it's called the fool. I realized that's probably not how it works here, (those games are fast chat-room style) so that was a bad reason. Since I really don't want to keep my vote on someone for a horrible reason (I was afraid of jester), and since Furc seems to be contradicting himself far too often (and since he's just realllllyyyyy scummy), I'll go with a vote that isn't driven by 3rd-party fear (damn you and your stupid bell-hat!)

Mod: Can you confirm if there are 3rd-party roles?

1) I presume you speak of EpicMafia?

2) Y u no vote Furcy?

[Internet Stranger]

Fine. I still got my eye on you Xalxe!

Unvote: Xalxe
Vote Furcolow

[Xalxe]

Fine. I still got my eye on you Xalxe!

Unvote: Xalxe
Vote Furcolow

Fair enough; in fact, if you didn't, I'd be suspicious.

[Amrun]

For the record, the role submitted was entitled "Jester/Fool"

[Amrun]

I don't know if it would end the game, though. I've never actually played in a game with one.

[Zajnet]

whether or not I'm certain of the fact just shows my lack of knowledge in terms of who is what alignment, honestly.

I only know my own alignment.

This argument, if valid, would mean that no scumtells exist. Everyone could just say "I'm not a cop or mafia, so I only know my own alignment" and excuse anything they ever did. I'm ready to vote you now, this is scummier than anything I've seen from you before.

unvote vote: Furcolow

This is very true. I'm still liking my vote on Xalxe, but Furc is getting scummier and scummier all the time.

[DeathNote]

I don't know if it would end the game, though. I've never actually played in a game with one.

It does not always end the game. I have played were the jester is removed from the game with a victory win condition.

That's a complete misrepresentation.

Errr..., NO.

I liked your promptness in linking to your meta, Xalxe, plus you've been playing better recently
I don't care if you're the top wagon.

I'm not sure you're scum

.

I've been wanting this guy dead all day
vote: xalxe

you are lying to hop to a wagon of someone you are not even sure is scum.

how is that a misrepresentation?

Going once... going twice...

SOLD!

UNVOTE: ender241
VOTE: Furcolow

I agree.

unvote
Vote: Furcolow

[Furcolow]

Lynchin me on my birthday!
also, I'm not the fool, I'm actually a cop :\

[DemonHybrid]

And did anyone actually send in a cop?

[Fashion Llama]

End of Day Vote Count

Furcolow (9) – Nocmen, populartajo, Xalxe, DemonHybrid, Fishythefish, danakillsu, StrangerCoug, Internet Stranger, DeathNote
Xalxe (6) – zoraster, Zajnet, Sevei, ender241, WhenInRome, Furcolow
Olinea (1) – Tasky
DeathNote (1) – Amrun
DemonHybrid (1) – brokenscraps
Tasky (1) – Olinea

Not Voting (2) – Thadmiral, Plum

*Modscene is correct before someone messages me about it being wrong

[Fashion Llama]

It must be him, is the concensus of the crowd. Furcolow yells out something about being a cop, but it already is too late to save him. In the end it turns out he really was a cop. In the end though, you also did the right thing.

Furcolow – Mafia C Role Cop – Lynched Day One

Deadline for Night One is Monday February 28th, 8PM PST

[Fashion Llama]

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