Mini 1126 - Game over - Was Averagely Suspicious saved?

[Papa Zito]

Oh hai.

[Papa Zito]

Hi Ash. No mislynchings plz.

[Papa Zito]

This is nice.

You sure we have to kill each other?

[Papa Zito]

Finally I play a game with Zito, he can confirm the site I normally play is like 10 times the pace of this place, day 1 typically lasts 20 to 40 pages and if you go away for a day, you spend forever trying to catch back up.

And there's no iso.

Or even a preview button.

[Papa Zito]

I accidentally deleted the game I was running once.

lulz

[Papa Zito]

What a bloodthirsty lot. You guys aren't enjoying our pregame banter as much as I am?

y halo thar page 5.

[Papa Zito]

Holy wtf.

I want to make sure this is captured on film.

Erratus Apathos (6): RobCapone, Ashblade, GreyICE, Bill McQuill, Barry Allen, wikkiden
RobCapone (1): Erratus Apathos
Hiraki (1): subgenius
GreyICE (1): Hiraki

Not voting: mockingjaye, Papa Zito, Snake Eyes, Hayker

So Erratus is town yay let's move on.

Who sucks the most on that wagon?

Your admission that you didn't vote to start Day 1 was silly at best, given that the game consensus was that it was likelier that scum players would want to delay the start. I'm thinking there's a decent enough chance that you're simply ballsy, and thought you'd be able to deflect the resulting attention into pressure on somebody else.

ITP Bill argues against an Erratus vote and votes him anyway. lulz

VOTE: Bill McQuill

[Papa Zito]

God this thread already.

BTW I started a new job Monday and they've blocked mafiascum soooooo crappy. If someone knows how to set up an at-home proxy PM plz.

Hi. Sorry I'm late getting started. I'm catching up now and will post later this afternoon or evening.

Holding you to this. Expecting miracles.

I support subgenius wagon btw.

tldr - looking at Bill and wikki right now. My inclination would be more voting Bill, but wikki's "if it will make you happy" posts keep nagging at something in the back of my brain...

Why aren't you voting one of them then.

[Papa Zito]

I am glad I've waited - Ashblade's reply to me looks rather bizarre and may send me in his direction with a vote instead of Bill or wikki, but I'd like to re-read and hopefully come back later tonight before giving it up for the evening.

Sooooooo you've identified now 3 potential Bad Guys and you're still not voting for any of them?

p-edit: Grey doesn't really have that power good grief.

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito - would like to see you post more, as I do have a question. You "support a bw on sub, by the way" in Post 188, but your vote is still on Bill. Why? I don't have a scum read on you right now, but I would like to know a bit more about this seeming contradiction.

I'm sorry, is this a serious post?

Please tell me this is not a serious post.

Hi. Sorry I'm late getting started. I'm catching up now and will post later this afternoon or evening.

Holding you to this. Expecting miracles.

I didn't get my miracles.

You don't deny me my miracles.

UNVOTE: Bill McQuill
VOTE: mockingjaye


P.S. If mockingjaye flips scum Rob must be turbolynched with extreme prejudice.

[Papa Zito]

@ Papa Zito - yes that was a serious post. You voted for Bill, but later posted that you supported a BW on sub without changing your vote.

...

You ARE aware that there's more than one bad guy out there right?

Lurking.

Waiting.

(hide yo kids, hide yo wife)

Speaking of lurkers...

this makes no sense whatsoever

Oh, it makes perfect sense. But we'll get to that later.

[Papa Zito]

I wasn't on his wagon so I don't really see how changing my vote does anything there.

Also competing bandwagons are tech.

[Papa Zito]

Barry, that's an interesting dance you're doing there. Must be some sort of native tribal thing.

Currently I support wagons on Bill, mockingjaye and subgenius (hail Slack!). If any of them were to dangle in the gentle spring breezes I'd be satisfied. Conditional to those flips I would support wagons on Rob and you.

All that said, I only have one vote. And I have it placed on the one I currently find most likely to flip red.

I'm really honestly not sure why I have to explain all this.

[Papa Zito]

mockingjaye has requested replacement.

Scared her off. I need to reevaluate my way with the wimminz.

using Zito's theory about errant, he declared errant town because his wagon grew quickly, I am not a big fan of using speed of a wagon to mean anything, but assume that train of thought is valid, than Sub's wagon was slower to develop and people are trying hard to start sub-wagons or direct attention from him, wouldn't that be a sign that this is most likely a scum wagon?

It wasn't

just

that but.

Also reeeeeeally slow wagons mean scum a lot of time sure cuz you don't have the support of certain personages.

(edit: Snake Eyes addresses this later - I like this guy)

refusal to make a case IS a scumtell

Nah.

Please get to this now before you have time to make a case.

Say what?

I'm annoyed that Bill seems to have lurked his way out of suspicion. I still have a strong scum read on him, and him lurking isn't helping.

+1 but I want to see what the replacement does.

Question @ Zito: Why were you so quick to clear Erratus like that? It was a bandwagon that was pretty much guaranteed to happen with what was said pre-game.

Please. That wagon was built on stupid and scum and should never have gotten to L-1. (oh hai Hayker you said this too)

Also I'll explain things when I feel they need explanation.

EA's #367 is a good catch; "I truly didn't count the votes" is clearly a lie after saying, "Oh yes. My vote sucks. Along with the six other people voting for him."

I agree.

Really interested in your opinion of Barry plz.

[Papa Zito]

Whatever, I don't know how to explain it but subgenius is town.

I find this a very interesting statement.

Hay Erratus, do you find this an interesting statement?

Actually, better question: Subgenius, do you think the same thing about bvoigt?

[Papa Zito]

Are you suggesting that he's being too confident about his town reads?

No I'm not suggesting anything. If I think you're scum I'm not gonna be coy about it.

What's really important is

Anyhow, I'm leaning town on him.

... are you

leaning

town, or are you

leaning

town? This could be both important and lolmod.

Could you answer my question from #311, por favor?

Blah that's work.

ok

RobCapone: waiting sucks; A case based on something before the game started? Good luck with that
Ashblade: Choo choo!
GreyICE: I DON'T THINK I EVER WANTED SOMEONE TO ADMIT THEY WERE LYING AND BE TOWN BEFORE NOW
Bill McQuill: Your admission that you didn't vote to start Day 1 was silly at best, given that the game consensus was that it was likelier that scum players would want to delay the start. I'm thinking there's a decent enough chance that you're simply ballsy, and thought you'd be able to deflect the resulting attention into pressure on somebody else.
Barry Allen: Errant - if you weren't at L-1 already I'd vote for you myself. You posted a rather unfortunate message about wanting to delay the game, then post an OMGUS vote and THEN say you had a case? Wow........
wikkiden: That being said, I'll sheep. Because I like door prizes. o;

Thems what was said.

Rob's vote and subsequent post are contradictory, thus scummy. (can't do a case for something pregame but can vote for something pregame? lulz)
Ashblade's was 100% hurp durp
I still don't know what to make of Grey's.
Bill's I talked about already.
Barry's is hurp durp but he's adding things here
wikkiden's was a scummy slide onto the wagon at the end there


OH HAI PENPEN

Top 3 scum plz

[Papa Zito]

And I almost never use the word annoying to describe a player but zito is annoying me with his popping in and out and not providing any logical content

Aww. </3

he talks about contradictions yet he supports a lynch for someone he isn't voting for and actually voted for someone else and makes accusations about people he doesn't back up with any reasoning at all.

I support the lynches of a few players I'm not voting for. If you'd like to grant me multivote powers I'd be glad to vote them all.

Not sure what accusations you're talking about here, care to back that up?

[Papa Zito]

I am both

leaning

and

leaning

in a combination of

boldness

and

italicized

style.

Leaning

something like this:

Fantastic.

DEAR TOWN,

I highly recommend any subgenius/bvoigt votes to disappear forthwith!


Love,

PZ


P.S.

I don't know what 'lolmod' means.

It means setup shenanigans may be afoot.

[Papa Zito]

No worries GreyICE, all will become clear.

And now for a comparitive study.

Erratus Apathos (6):

RobCapone

,

Ashblade

,

GreyICE

,

Bill McQuill

, Barry Allen, wikkiden
subgenius (L-2):

GreyICE

,

Ashblade

,

RobCapone

, Barry Allen,

Bill McQuill

RobCapone, Ashblade, GreyICE, Bill McQuill

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff too many sheep BUT it's another strike against ol' Bill.

Accusations was the wrong word, you made statements without suporting

1. EA is town
2. If mocking is scum, I must be turbolynched
3. You thinking subs is scum yet you avoid voting him
4. You declare mocking scum

Why are you so worried about this. (#3 no longer applies btw)

[Papa Zito]

Wait. Edit:

Erratus Apathos (6):

RobCapone

,

Ashblade

,

GreyICE

,

Bill McQuill

,

Barry Allen

, wikkiden
subgenius (L-2):

GreyICE

,

Ashblade

,

RobCapone

,

Barry Allen

,

Bill McQuill

RobCapone, Ashblade, GreyICE, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill

Gawd that's terrible.

[Papa Zito]

But subs is probably not town, you can't analyze who is voting for whom, until we know for sure what they are

I'd say subgenius is very likely town. And Erratus is even more so. Regardless I'd eat a leather hat if that whole list turned out town.

[Papa Zito]

WHY don't we have a facepalm smiley? WHY

I mean I'm pretty damn sarcastic and people keep having aneurysms over my conclusion jumping-ness why am I not being voted by that logic.

And gut (are you experienced enough to have gut?)

And ha ha lurking?

...

You said you were reading the entire thread, why is sarcasm, gut and lurking all you came up with?

[Papa Zito]

Zito's theory is sheeping twice, I sheeped 0

Zito's theory is that scum would gleefully hop onto two townie wagons. I expected the wagons but have different sets of participants with just a couple people in common. Instead I get

that

mess.

PenPen, now that you've voted someone, what are you going to do?

[Papa Zito]

He's setting up for a PR claim.

Sigh.

Penpen what do you think of our friend Hiraki here.

[Papa Zito]

Cause town lurk too and they may get wrongly accused, I've been dealing with lurkers for a long time, it's the biggest pet peeve of mine but it's the way they lurk

my head just exploded

im typing this with no head


Someone give me a rundown on the Rob case plz. I'd like to see it all in one place.


Also, as promised:

UNVOTE: bvoigt
VOTE: Bill McQuill

[Papa Zito]

Oh hell yes I'm that lazy.

UNLESS I wanted to make sure that the supporters of this wagon could actually articulate why they support it.

UNLESS that.

But let's go with lazy it's easier. ( <- I made a funny LOOK )

[Papa Zito]

P.S. Sometimes it bugs me when people don't understand my scumhunting.

Like I'm just posting all this to kill time from my jail cell or something.

dum dee dum

[Papa Zito]

you realize you contradict yourself when you disagree with me when i say people need to make cases and you ask for people to make cases

I know you are supposedly a good player, so you can you please start acting like it.

If only I had just explained why I wanted one.

Oh wait.

[Papa Zito]

Rob, please respond to subgenius' 464. You say there's no case and yet there's a case.

Anyone else have a case they'd like to post on Brother Rob?


P.S. Called it lulz

[Papa Zito]

Welp.

I mean first it's "there's no valid reason to vote me" and now it's "I'm not responding to those valid reasons."

And if your response to that is gonna be "Those aren't valid reasons" then you're gonna have to tell me why aka respond to the case.


Grey: Rob is a subs counterwagon y/n?

[Papa Zito]

Grey: Rob is a subs counterwagon y/n?

Well, yes.

Well help me out here then.

You posit that subs is a bad lynch cuz no counterwagon developed on him. aka scum were happy to watch his head roll into a wicker basket.

But here we are with an instawagon on claimed-Tracker Rob which you agree is a counter to subs but inexplicably you feel better about this one. And regardless who started it, it sprang forth incredibly fast amirite? So tell me what the difference is.

See if hiraki was so set on me getting lynched, why unvote?

Our claimed Tracker says he's gonna hammer himself if he hits L-1 sooooo

[Papa Zito]

The first one was on town. And there's more town than scum this game.

What I think isn't the point tho. The point is that you think the subgenius wagon was bad because there was no counterwagon, but then there's a counterwagon on Rob. So doesn't that make the subgenius wagon a good one now?

[Papa Zito]

Ok Grey, I'm good with that. Why don't you join me on the Bill wagon then?

There is only 2 ways you can say EA is town

1. You are scum
2. You and he are mason (no cult allowed in mini, cult is scum anyway)

so if neither is true, EA is not confirmed town

I said subgenius is town too. Am I a mason with him as well?

I'm still really not seeing Hiraki as a better candidate.

[Papa Zito]

Yes.

Join me on the Bill wagon.


@Ashblade: Need some content plz.

[Papa Zito]

ooh I said I'd self vote, I have done it 3 times as town, probably more

You've done it as scum too so from an alignment standpoint it's meaningless.

You're also being 100% reactive but that's also pretty much meaningless.

Which is why I can't really support your wagon. Your actions are anti-town sure but I don't see scum motivation.

Case to follow shortly.

Arrite. I can't complain about a Barry vote so I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

p-edit oh you did ok let's look

[Papa Zito]

He didn't vote Rob, but he kept his options verrrrrrrrry open to switch to him should he look any scummier to him.

I disagree with this point but I'll certainly let him address it.

Zito, I'd really like it if ya took a stand on something or other eventually.

Drugs are bad mmkay?

[Papa Zito]

Real quick before I run to work:

I have an opinion on this particular one, but I so need something answered first:

MULTIPLE CHOICE QUIZ

ZITO:

1) BARRY AND BILL ARE BOTH TOWN
2) BILL IS SCUM, BARRY IS TOWN
3) BILL IS TOWN, BARRY IS SCUM
4) BARRY IS SCUM, BILL IS SCUM

1-4, acceptable answers.

I'm not planning on lynching you if your reads are not 100%, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING MAN.

Well I'm voting Bill so how are two of those even valid?

Barry I'm ok with at the moment. There are others I want dead more. So I guess 2 although I'd rather have 5) Bill is scum, Barry is neutral-townish.

(I think someone said I'd pick 5 lulz)

Tomorrow, it turns out. Grading papers intervened. Apologies.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand scene.

[Papa Zito]

My biggest beef with Bill is his chronic active lurking. 15 posts in 25 pages isn't terribly impressive, especially when a couple of those are from our fun pre-game show, and others are just excuses about not posting.

Of the posts that he did deliver, we have:

1. A vote on EA's terribad bandwagon. Arguing against the vote while making it.
2. Admitting that he's going after easy targets
3. Pushing the subgenius wagon to L-1 for "welcoming pressure" when that's a perfectly legitimate hunting tactic
4. Accusing others of nitpicky posting when doing that himself

If you can call Bill pro-town after what he's done thus far this game then Cirque du Soleil has a place for you.


You asked about your Barry case - I'm assuming that's iso 126 (holy crap)

1. EA vote, granted I'm suspicious of everyone on that wagon but I don't see "caution" as a scumtell. He's explained why he thought the guy was at L-1 already and I don't have an issue with his explanation.
2. His second vote on subgenius is suspicious but not for the reason you raised. I'm more concerned with the false dichotomy he presents in which Bill and Sub are the only possible lynch candidates.
3. Moving his vote from subgenius to Bill isn't really telling. He just got through saying his top two were Bill and subgenius, and in that post he explains his shift.

So yeah.

The two were valid because it wouldn't be the first time I've caught someone with no idea who their vote was on. Sure, like 1% chance, but miracles happen.

?

Help me understand why you stopped everything you were doing for this 1% chance.

Eventually he'll get a scumgame out of all the ways people catch him) but people aren't down with lynching the claimed PR this time around, so w/e.

FTR Tracker is a really terrible claim to make, especially in a Normal.

I just confirmed in on my first official Newbie game yay!

Good luck!

OK...penpen is looking like one of those players who always survives to endgame because the town won't lynch him, and scum won't NK him. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm going to tell you right now that if we were both in 3-person LyLo, I would vote for him (assuming nothing drastic happens, but you know what I mean). We're going to have to lynch him eventually, so why not today?

Worst post in the game.

[Papa Zito]

so really, try and come at me again bro because your response to my case just got disproven.

Not really, I'm going to ignore you. I don't seem to have six others game for lynching you today, and I'd rather find your buddies then sit around and get baited. I admire running cover for them in this circumstance, I really do, but I don't feel like playing.

This is a bad answer.

subgenius (L-2): GreyICE, Ashblade, RobCapone, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill

Please explain where this came from and why it was sufficient to answer Rob's point.

Tracker is like three steps up on the fake claim ladder.

If he's not a tracker then he'll be easily caught.

What's penpen done that's been scummy?

[Papa Zito]

I don't see penpen active lurking.

You didn't answer this, here it is again:

so really, try and come at me again bro because your response to my case just got disproven.

Not really, I'm going to ignore you. I don't seem to have six others game for lynching you today, and I'd rather find your buddies then sit around and get baited. I admire running cover for them in this circumstance, I really do, but I don't feel like playing.

This is a bad answer.

subgenius (L-2): GreyICE, Ashblade, RobCapone, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill

Please explain where this came from and why it was sufficient to answer Rob's point.

[Papa Zito]

I'm tired of the fact that most of this town seems content to sheep me

Well this is the bone of contention, isn't it?

Here's my view of events:

1. You say you're tired of being the one to start wagons.
2. Rob says no wait you're not the one doing it.
3. You say yeah see look at EXHIBIT A boom case closed.
4. Rob says EXHIBIT A is BS because EA unvoted to make you the wagon leader check out EXHIBIT B
5. You do... things?

My problem with this exchange is that instead of just proving Rob wrong (which would fit your Rob-as-scum agenda amirite?) you have chosen instead to dodge this by calling it stupid. If it was stupid then I don't see why you couldn't just prove it was stupid and make it go away. So help me understand why you're taking this stance here.

[Papa Zito]

@ ice you said this

Bill hasn't done anything pro-town. The problem is, I have a suspicion he will flip town.

yet later you say you will still wagon him after you wagon pen

so if you suspect bill is gong to flip town, why are you still willing to wagon him?

The purpose is wagon the people you think are going to flip scum, not people you think will flip town

I went back to find this and you took his sarcasm literally. He was comparing Bill to penpen and saying there was virtually no difference. He didn't say he was actually going to wagon Bill.


@Grey, you're

still

avoiding the question and now I'm really concerned.

I really, really wish we could have waited for Bill to defend himself rather than pressuring Grey to do it for him.

Eh?

[Papa Zito]

Flaking is not Rob's MO, sure.

What I'm talking about is:

1. You say you're tired of being the one to start wagons.
2. Rob says no wait you're not the one doing it.
3. You say yeah see look at EXHIBIT A boom case closed.
4. Rob says EXHIBIT A is BS because EA unvoted to make you the wagon leader check out EXHIBIT B
5. You do... things?

My problem with this exchange is that instead of just proving Rob wrong (which would fit your Rob-as-scum agenda amirite?) you have chosen instead to dodge this by calling it stupid. If it was stupid then I don't see why you couldn't just prove it was stupid and make it go away. So help me understand why you're taking this stance here.

I still don't understand why you refuse to answer this point unless you just simply can't and you've been caught.


Gawd this is gonna hit 27 pages soon on Day 1 of a Mini Normal harf.

[Papa Zito]

I am too. I feel like Rob/Zito/Grey is dominating the thread far too much.

Really missing Snake Eyes atm.

[Papa Zito]

That was my last and final response on the matter.

k

UNVOTE: Bill McQuill
VOTE: GreyICE

[Papa Zito]

ICe ahs already said he wont say anthing els.e

so

GUSY it's page 28 which is longer than some other games here let's hamemr this ok? ok

[Papa Zito]

Vote:Erratus Apathos

It ain't march yet chill.

And what are the questions people have for me?

aer you kididing with this

EA is town

bad vote is bad

[Papa Zito]

tl'dr he got caught in a lie and refused to admit it or anytnhing

YPu that's fine let's see what th emorning brings.

[Papa Zito]

Grey, you and I are gonna have to talk post-game.


I'm reeeeeally hoping Ashblade was a vig shot, because a vig would be welcomed re: penpen.

Also re: penpen, I had no idea I was so persuasive while drunk.


So, let's hit scum today. VOTE: Bill McQuill who

still

has yet to post anything.


P.S. Who is that in your avatar, mozamis?

[Papa Zito]

She is cute.

The hammer was bad, but not because it was the hammer, but because of how he pre-emptively attempted to shift blame for it onto me ('happy now, Zito?') and then continued that thread of thought into today, which tells me penpen may have had prior knowledge of what was going to happen.

[Papa Zito]

And PapaZ, did u want PenPen to hammer, or just to get his vote off EA?

Memory is fuzzy but I certainly object to anyone voting EA.

I was ready for a hammer in general so I didn't really care who did it.

if anything EA loses his town points (not that he had any anyway) for declaring Ice would flip scum. While I agree I thought ice would flip, it was a comment like that, which can be convincing to get people to vote/hammer him

Wat does this mean.

Zito why do you say ash was the vig kill and not vice versa?

That's an interesting question, but I think the better question is why someone would pose the question without mentioning any possibility that Snake Eyes was vigged?

I had a solid town read on Snake Eyes and I don't remember anyone else mentioning a scum read on him, so he'd be a fantastically poor choice for a vig. (Assumption here is the vig is competent of course)

Ashblade on the other hand was coasting quite a bit Day 1 and didn't contribute terribly much. Given the flip I guess he was either having an off game or is just a slow starter but yes I did have him on my scum list and he makes a lot of sense as a vig shot to me.

Rob, my top two should be pretty obvious at the moment since I'm voting Bill and just talked about friend penpen so much.

[Papa Zito]

That will be up to zito to answer I guess.

dun dun dun?

[Papa Zito]

Why is this the first we've heard that you had a scum read on Ash?

He wasn't in my top 3, so I was basically in a watch-and-see mode with him. I agree he wasn't the scummiest on that list.

Oh, hello there thread.

y halo thar scum.

And do we believe Robs claim? What surprised me when i was reading the thread was how easily everyone seemed to accept it?
Is tracker not the sort of claim that someone would make up?

Firstly, sorry to hear that your IC was lurking. Who was it?

Tracker is a pretty terrible claim to make but I won't go into why here, mainly because I'm still fairly skeptical about it (no sense tipping Rob if he's faking). That Rob's target last night bit the dust doesn't help things.

Also a better question would probably be: Why did we have two kills last night, and neither of them are Rob?

[Papa Zito]

Yeah. I expected to be dead coming in. I'm not sure why I'm here. My best guess was actually one of yours, that they were comfortable letting me live because there were easy mislynch targets available + my reads were bad.

That said, I still want to see Bill swing.

[Papa Zito]

That is a good catch, sub. Best to let one more night go to confirm the pattern but I bet you're right.

examine note for fingerprints

lulz

looking at the grey ice lynch again. Are we just missing the obvious? penpen said "happy now zito" when he dropped the hammer. Zito was very keen to lynch grey ice.
It seems too dumb, but if penpen is noob scum, could he have blundered, in other words saying to scum partner zito "happy now"?
Or pen pen sheep townie and zito scum?
What say you zito? You seem to be sailing thorugh this game with a "of course i'm town attitude, everyone knows i'm town!"
But you were one of the main instigstor of the lynch.

I'd say this is a pretty bad post. You're making a lot of assumptions here about two players of undetermined alignments. You're also trying to ask me what penpen was thinking. I'm not sure penpen knows what penpen is thinking.

Your last sentence is the most interesting. Plz to be showing how I was one of the main instigators of the lynch.

also zito, why have been anti bill all game, but as soon as grey ice was on Lynch-2 you voted for him? and encouraged others to hammer quickly?
overly enthusiastic townie or scum?

You're really twisting what happened there. I've asked you to review those events already; when you do you can come back and explain this too.

Vote: Erratus

Scumvote dingdingding.



@penpen: You're supposed to be voting Bill.

[Papa Zito]

Zito, while I agree about hiraki, please explain your reasons

I keep telling you EA is town. And that's a stupid vote.

If I vote bill yall will just accuse me of sheeping or bw.

Townies aren't worried about image.

Do it anyway.

[Papa Zito]

It's okay if you don't agree.

But that vote is completely wasted. Nobody is pushing EA. There's no wagon there. Voting EA without pushing him or providing a case means he's just parking his vote and hoping.

[Papa Zito]

UNVOTE VOTE PAPA ZITO

In all caps, no less.

What i guess i found puzzling was your whole insistence that Bill was scum and then joinging the Greyice bw for what seems very little reason.

Please read the following posts:
607
608
609
617
619
625
627
631
632
644
646
647
652
662


You've repeated "very little reason" with a straight face for a couple of posts now and I'd really like to know how you do it. Method acting? Pinch yourself under the table?

So, again: why the sudden change of heart from Bill to greyice, and now back to bill again?

GreyICE is dead?

You seem a bit too "lynch happy" for my liking.

True or false: Towns win by lynching.

So you've said that you don't have reads on anyone else. Judging by your last couple of posts to me I can only assume that's because you haven't read the thread. When are you planning on doing this?

He isn't really scum hunting by my standards

welp

[Papa Zito]

sorry had forgotten u said that

Hay.

Hay you.

You have homework.

Get to it.

No sass from you mr.

[Papa Zito]

BTW, happy birthday GreyICE, I'm sorry you're dead.

Great reason to flip flop.

I don't understand what you mean by "flip flop".

Day 1, GreyICE is caught in a lie, I question him extensively over it despite his repeated attempts at dodging, then vote him when he flat-out refuses to talk about the subject anymore.
Day 2 I vote my previous top scumread from Day 1.

How is this flip flopping?

How is this even scummy in the least? (remember: You must show your work to earn full credit)

And your enigmatic/funny man stuff doesnt really lead me to think "oh, how town of you". Seems like a convenient way of avoiding a constructive scum hunt.

Where is your scumhunting again? You've made up some goofy theories, assigned the blame for a lynch completely on me (somehow), and then sat there with a funny smile on your face. I don't see scumhunting.

Also, please show, with quotes, how I am avoiding... anything.

And, while you're here, I'd like a top 3 scum reads with reasoning, plz.

[Papa Zito]

BTW.

If I do not have time to make a post by early in the day on Friday, I will ask to be replaced.

cool story bro

[Papa Zito]

i still find it puzzling why he was so anti-bill and then changed his mind so quickly.

ffs

A) I was so anti-Bill then and I'm so anti-Bill now, so how in the hell is that a problem?
B) How did I change my mind quickly when I clearly show you how, over the course of several posts, I was trying to get GreyICE to explain wtf he was thinking? (btw that's what scumhunting looks like)

I have no other reads yet. I'm as confused as hell.

How do you plan on rectifying this.

Zito seems awfully sure of himself, for someone who lynched an innocent man

Again, like I was solely responsible.

(btw don't think I missed the backtrack-without-unvoting game wutwut)

HEY PENPEN you're STILL supposed to be voting Bill get to it.

[Papa Zito]

i find you the most suspicious, so i think thats reasonable.

I have no other reads yet. I'm as confused as hell.

Plz to be rectifying this apparent contradiction kthx.

Why are you avoiding my questions?

[Papa Zito]

All hail AGar who's replacing penpen effective immediately.

bluh?

ok

SO I was gonna continue my penpen experiment for a couple more posts but he ran away so here's what I was doing.

penpen votes EA, I tell him GTFO, and:

aer you kididing with this

EA is town

bad vote is bad

Now apparently that was enough to:

Vote: Papa Zito

For convincing me to vote to lynch a townie.

Now, since penpen is evidently really easy to convince of things, I attempted to do it again on Day 2:

@penpen: You're supposed to be voting Bill.

If I vote bill yall will just accuse me of sheeping or bw.

Townies aren't worried about image.

Do it anyway.

HEY PENPEN you're STILL supposed to be voting Bill get to it.

You'll note: No Bill votes. So we can conclude that penpen was lying about being so easily swayed. We can also now see a link between penpen and Bill.

[Papa Zito]

Other stuff.

Lynch preference order:
Bill
mozamis
penpen
bvoigt

This is a great list.

Still, fair comment about my PapaZito "case" -its mostly circumstantial, i grant you.

lol

Still wanna keep some pressure on him tho.

lol

And why dont you read the thread properly you idiot instead of being rude to people?

LOL

P.S. mozamis you're still dodging questions.

[Papa Zito]

Quote fail halp.

Done.

[Papa Zito]

AGar. WTF are you doin.

[Papa Zito]

And we're at full strength again as pod person replaces Bill McQuill.

bluhhhh

At least the skill level has significantly increased with these last two.

Speaking of which, hay AGar: Top 3 plz.

pod person - Imma let you finish.
...
No really.


Ya'll post lots, I'll look all this over in a bit.


P.S. Someone shoot mozamis plz.

[Papa Zito]

Gawd look at all this noise.

Also dislike the focus on PP's location - why the fuck does it matter?

This x 1000.

Why Rob?

oh sweetie, aren't we lovers anymore?

You never return my calls.

So you've wasted a ton of time on this pod person nonsense.

A) pod person is not a Bill alt.
B) How is that at all relevant to the alignment of that slot.
C) Have you managed to come up with any reads yet.

[Papa Zito]

^^ This is exactly the kind of overdefensiveness he's trying to highlight.

Apparently overdefensiveness isn't a word.

[Papa Zito]

This game.

I mean, Day 2, page 43. Mini Normal.

So I have pretty major problems with AGar's entrance to the game, and I'm not super jazzed about pod's either. AGar's basically plonked his vote on Hiraki and then just sat there waiting for the guy to be lynched. pod's done a pretty exhaustive survey of the game and come up with reads buuuuut where's the beef?

I want mozamis very dead also why do I never get to be vig.

Not voting:

pod person

, Barry Allen, mozamis

What is this travesty.

I'm kinda getting into that mode where I just want things to be over. I don't mind a Hiraki lynch that much if I have to compromise here.

[Papa Zito]

UNVOTE: pod person
VOTE: Hiraki

[Papa Zito]

Should be, yeah.

Rob, for your sake you better track someone tonight.

[Papa Zito]

What may be off about us is the red text in your role PM. Dunno.

[Papa Zito]

pod is still a pretty good place and your false dichotomy is noted. But I have no major issues with Hiraki swinging either.

Also important is that this game is already twice as long as some completed games and still only Day 2. Fatigue has set in.

What's really important is we have competing bandwagons which will be really useful no matter how the lynch goes down.

[Papa Zito]

subgenius (L-1): Erratus Apathos,

GreyICE

,

Ashblade

,

RobCapone

, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill
Bill McQuill (L-5):

Hiraki

,

Snake Eyes

bvoigt (L-6): Papa Zito
Barry Allen (L-6): subgenius
Papa Zito (L-6):

Hayker

Not voting: bvoigt, wikkiden

GreyICE

(L-0): Erratus Apathos,

RobCapone

, Papa Zito, subgenius, Barry Allen,

Snake Eyes

, penpen
Bill McQuill (L-5):

Hiraki

,

Ashblade

bvoigt (L-6):

GreyICE

Papa Zito (L-6):

Hayker

penpen (L-6): bvoigt
subgenius (L-6): Bill McQuill

Bluh, need moar flips.

EA, you want me to sheep here or what? I feel like I owe you for yesterday.

[Papa Zito]

Also is it just me or was that Barry vs. pods bit at the beginning entirely fabricated?

[Papa Zito]

It's due to lack of time more than lack of interest. When I get some more time I'll look through more thoroughly but I have to catch up elsewhere as well.

I told ya'll from the beginning that EA is extremely likely town and nothing has changed that. His Hiraki read yesterday tells me he's reading the game better than I am. So.

[Papa Zito]

AGar's trying to pull meta lulz.

Any vote for AGar is a good vote!

Right-o.

VOTE: AGar

(I wouldn't mind a pod wagon again, as I think pod/AGar/mozamis is the most likely mafia team. But after the mozamis flip, I'm much more confident about AGar.)

So I can see the pod thing, because that one sat until Hiraki happened. But what's the mozamis-AGar link?

I'm asking why he thinks your argument with pod person was fabricated.

1. It started right off the bat.
2. It was over something retarded.
3. Neither one has pushed on the other since.

[Papa Zito]

That's not pushing, that's whining.

I guess this is academic tho.

Are we dead now?

[Papa Zito]

Oh you bastards.

[Papa Zito]

Haha no it should be pretty obvious that I was EA's partner. It wasn't really a slip.

[Papa Zito]

Mmhmm.

Poor EA was convinced we had a vig. I guess the Mafia Doc + Watcher + GodKnowsWhatElse was to help find the SK.

[Papa Zito]

Gawd this sucks.

bluh bluh bluh

You two get in here. I need to know who gets to win this damn thing.

[Papa Zito]

vote: papa zito

This is stupid.

Will the two scum plz stand up so we can decide who gets to win kthx.

[Papa Zito]

Had this posted in the Mason QT. Updated for the hell of it. :/

WAGONZ

subgenius

(L-1):

Erratus Apathos

,

GreyICE

,

Ashblade

,

RobCapone

, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill
Bill McQuill (L-5):

Hiraki

,

Snake Eyes

bvoigt (L-6):

Papa Zito

Barry Allen (L-6):

subgenius

Papa Zito

(L-6):

Hayker

Not voting: bvoigt,

wikkiden

GreyICE

(L-0):

Erratus Apathos

,

RobCapone

,

Papa Zito

,

subgenius

, Barry Allen,

Snake Eyes

,

penpen

Bill McQuill (L-5):

Hiraki

,

Ashblade

bvoigt (L-6):

GreyICE

Papa Zito

(L-6):

Hayker

penpen

(L-6): bvoigt

subgenius

(L-6): Bill McQuill


Bill McQuill (L-2):

Papa Zito

,

RobCapone

,

Erratus Apathos

, Barry Allen

penpen

(L-4):

mozamis

, bvoigt

Papa Zito

(L-4):

penpen

,

subgenius

Not voting: Bill McQuill,

Hiraki

Note: I include this because Bill bailed right afterwards. I wonder if he was scum and panicked.


Hiraki (L-0):

RobCapone

, bvoigt,

AGar

,

subgenius

,

Papa Zito

,

mozamis

pod person (L-3):

Erratus Apathos

,

Hiraki

, Barry Allen

RobCapone

(L-5): pod person

AGar

(L-0):

subgenius

,

Erratus Apathos

,

Papa Zito

, Barry Allen
Barry Allen (L-2): pod person, bvoigt

Papa Zito

(L-3):

AGar

[Papa Zito]

Bascially, either you or bvoigt IS scum. I'm waiting for bvoigt to post, then I will have more to say. But, I can tell you without a doubt that one of you is the maf.

Is this an SK claim.

I don't really care at this point I just wanna know.

[Papa Zito]

Imma post an "I told you so" rite here cuz I told EA you weren't town and he wouldn't listen.

Anyway pods should be the last mafia guy so I guess we're choosing between you two?

Bvoigt get the hell in here this game is all kinds of wtf.

[Papa Zito]

P.S.

Look at those bastards in Suspiciously Average Mafia with their town win.

YOU SUCK THAT GAME.

bunch of smurfs

[Papa Zito]

It would help to know exactly who that was.

pods don't be coy.

[Papa Zito]

@Mod: Can you please prod bvoigt?

I realize he's not eligible but he's gonna hold this up.


Also I know who you are pods which helps this decision a bit.

[Papa Zito]

You're a pal Dekes.

BTW I'm blaming GreyICE for this mess, just so ya'll know.

[Papa Zito]

What do you think, PZ?

Here's what I think.

VOTE: No Lynch

Here's what else I think.

Barry's pushing this idea that we need to pick who wins right now as if there's just no chance of town winning. Unfortunately, I'm not an idiot, that's not true at all, and he knows it. What's really happening is he's deathly afraid of going to night so he's gone all-in now in hopes we'd hand him a rare SK victory.

If you lynch a townie, I am much better off hitting a townie and taking the draw or "no result" or whatever it would be with the mafia - so I would not be inclined to hit a suspected mafioso. I would venture a guess that the last remaining maf would feel the same way - since our hitting each other would automatically mean we both lose.

I'd take a goooood long look at your wincon before making these assumptions. And I'd take a gooooood long think at what the mafia's wincon might be.

@pods: I'm sure you know the score. Have a look at the way Barry's trying to play here for the win and decide if he's really going to start shooting townies tonight... orr if he's just trying to convince you to do that so he can shoot you.

@bvoigt: Hammer No Lynch plz.


Night kids.

[Papa Zito]

Hmm.

We play to our wincon, bvoigt. It's all we can do.

VOTE: No Lynch

[Papa Zito]

Terran

Mafia OP.

lulz

GG all.

[Papa Zito]

Mafia overpowered.

laugh

Good game all

Translated to English.

BTW, EA I'm cool with sharing our QT if you are.

[Papa Zito]

So, this was my first modded game and all in all I think I did pretty well for the most part of it.

I agree. I hope you do more modding in the future.

@Rob: Was I really that bad? I didn't think I did badly this game.

[Papa Zito]

PZ noted it day 1, I like how he found every scum in the QT and lynched town in the thread :p

Yeah well.

um

I'm an honorary scum member I guess?

I still want to know wtf was going on with you that day. I spent a ton of effort trying to figure that out, and when you shut me down I just reeked of "ohnoes I'm caught"

Hiraki lynch was a big mistake. Impatience etc.

Can i see this dead QT? Or was it linked already and I missed it?

[Papa Zito]

fin.