Execution Mafia GAMEOVER!

[Amrun]

Oh crap, it was in the wiki. My bad. Newb revealed.

Thank you, though. Seems valid theory to me.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Twisted: Rolefishing in his

very first post.

Hesitancy to commit to reads (iso5); could be scum hoping to avoid a mistake. Buddying, both to FF and Ant-to-the-max.

Okay, on re-reading Twisted, I have to downgrade him to Neutral/slight scum. I really didn't like the rolefishng, though.

Umbrage: My previous read of Umbrage was based on one post; and since I've downgraded Twisted, I have to also downgrade Umbrage to Neutral, slightly Town.

Now. Some current reads, with some reasons:

Exe. Power hungry, seems to want Absolute Control. Never a good thing.
CooLDoG. Willfully oblivious to how the game works (Thinks day ends with election of executioner).
Haschel. Same thing as cooldog.

I need to iso vezo; but that will have to wait; dinner's about ready.


Also, Amrun, I would like to publicly apologize for my early disparaging of you (when I warned against you dropping a huge post and then lurking more). You've been very active.

[Haschel Cedricson]

This post is going to be primarily responses to questions aimed at me.

@Haschel: Why did you vote for Charter, then switched it to Exe? What are your town-reads on Exe? Why so persistent on voting Exe? If Exe was executed, who would be your next executioner-of-your-epic-choice?

Because it looked like the Exe wagon would be the quickest way to assign an executioner. I give none of the fucks who the executioner is at this stage of the game. None of them.

Why would you not want scum to make a slip?

Never said I didn't. Read my post before the one you quoted.

Later on he also suggests that Charter could be executioner. Not gonna lie, it kind of freaks me out that the two people he supports for executioner now are also the two people who supported in the very start - almost like it was planned. Why give a seconday vote on page 2? Or give one at all? Charter hasn't posted much, and when he does I get a null read for it.

My first vote for charter was because I know charter and trust his competency. My secondary for Exe was an agreement with the other people who felt Exe's play was pro-town. Look at it this way, in a normal game it's common for people to vote for their main suspect and FoS a secondary. Here votes are good, so I can't use the FoS. The secondary vote is the same thing.

It just seems like from the very start his play has been calculated around getting one of those two elected as executioner. His most recent post suggests that he doesn't care who is executioner, but his play suggests he does. If that was his strategy, why didn't he come out and say it immediately, rather than waiting until later?

Did you even bother to look at the first word of my third post? Besides, people who insist we waste a ton of time debating who the executioner are far more likely to be scummy. Now we know who those people are.

Haschel. Same thing as cooldog.

The fuck are you talking about? I know exactly how this game works.

Right. Bed now. I'll have more tomorry.

[charter]

Wow. Shattered is way less town than I thought. He just went from having reads, to having null reads on everyone. Not only that, but he magically trusts Amrun (who is most suspicious of him). Also weird how he switched from voting Exe who he's said looks town throughout the whole game to someone else he has barely mentioned.

[vezokpiraka]

4 pages in a day. Geezus.

I still stand by my choice exe.

I am starting to dislike Amrun.
Charter is another solid town read.
Sv is leaning town.

[Umbrage]

@ vezok: Any particular reason why you like Exe as executioner? And what are your reasons for those other three reads?

[CooLDoG]

sorry for not posting, catching up. I had a busy Monday/weekend. I'm kinda lazy about this game (over my other games) because its filled with useless theory banter that servers no one. Lets get to scum hunting.

[CooLDoG]

ohh and for clarification I'm not reading text walls this game. As a policy statement, and because I simply don't have the time. Also in respect to my rule reading: The rules state that once we pick somebody as our executioner we can't talk anymore.

[CooLDoG]

@tragedy, its forum 62 talk, meta gaming nothing else.

[CooLDoG]

okay, end of my catch up posts. Exe isn't looking as town SV needs to read the rules. Arum is looking better. TS is still looking bad and cut down on the activity level guys. I can't be on 24/7.

[vezokpiraka]

Game Specific Rules

#1-Players are voting each day to elect an executioner. Once a majority is reached, the executioner may post

Execute: Player

. ONCE THIS HAPPENS, NO MORE TALKING IS ALLOWED, AT ALL. There is no twilight in this game. Also, you may not execute a player until I have confirmed that a player has reached a majority. Only then are they authorized to execute.
#2-Players are voting each night to elect a killer. Voting remains anonymous and the killer remains anonymous. Members of the mafia's party count for two instead of one. You have 48 hours to PM me your vote, otherwise it won't count. I will then PM the killer and they will have 48 hours to select a kill. Players may not vote for themselves.
#3-Roles will be revealed upon death


Good Luck! Sending out PMs. Once you have received your PM, return a PM to me summarizing your role and it's description.

AFTER A PLAYER IS EXECUTED THE DAY ENDS. NOT AFTER WE CHOOSE AN EXECUTIONER.
The activity is good. Replace out if you don't like Cdog. it won't be a loss.

[Twistedspoon]

How could twisted have responded to that without revealing whether she..

Uh, just though I might mention that I'm a he..

anyways, I've got a lot to read since I've been asleep and at school, so I'll try and catch up

[Twistedspoon]

EBWOP: ignore my last post, I've read further now :/

[Twistedspoon]

It's probably more because me and Haschel are awesome. I haven't played with Exe before, but he seems pretty awesome too.

Can I call this buddying?

Twisted: Rolefishing in his

very first post.

I'm sorry if you think that, but i never meant to role fish, and even now it would be a suicidal tactic. There would be no motivation for me to rolefish, and that was certainly what i did nor what I intended to do. Metinks if you want a rolefisher there's a more suitable candidate.

@TS: Would YOU be hungry for the execution power?

No. 2 power-hungry players would make this game even less enjoyable.
I agree with Haschel's theory. Executioner doesn't matter too much unless one is blinded by egotism and doesn't represent the town's opinions.

If we don't kill any one today it gives our PRs a better idea of who's who.

Somehow StrungOver is flying under the radar. Why was this post

completely

ignored? It's odd how some of you only have eyes for a few players. Surely tunneling. We need a read on everyone, we can't spend 3 weeks chasing only the top 3 of Exe. To answer SO's question,

how do you know there are any PRs?

I can't believe everyone missed this. Surely I should live since I actually care to read every posts and not let players fly under the radar. All players need to be evaluated.

And finally;

He's had virtually no pressure

@TS: I'd say you have about 3 posts to show me why you should live.

Ladies n Gents, vote Exe for office and I'll give you a TS on a plate.

Sure, no pressure

[Twistedspoon]

And then TS doesn't ask for his opinions on anything, just leaves it very vague, so I get the impression he doesn't care about SO's opinions, but wants the spotlight off of himself.

I'm sorry, but if you haven't noticed, I've not had a chance to do so.

I've had to defend myself all game

It's hard trying to help the town when constantly having to defend yourself too. However I have tried my best, posting opinions, asking questions and stopping players from flying under the radar. I want every player to be considered for when we decide on our kills; we can't afford to let any slip away, as was going to happen if I had not alerted you.
I consider myself an active poster, but It would do the town no good if I posted 100 times a day If each time I was forced to defend myself and make no progress. >_>
considering this your reason lacks plausibility.

[Umbrage]

I agree with everything Twistedspoon just said. vezokpiraka has a worse rolefishing record, and it's clear he's not even trying to scumhunt. I do not see how it is possible to think Twisty is more scummy than Vezok.

I've been meaning to give some attention to SO, but there's always been something more urgent. And I feel better making cases on people that I know will read them and respond, but hey. I'll give it a shot.

[Twistedspoon]

I've been meaning to give some attention to SO,

well I wasn't really asking for a case, I just didn't want to be the only person remembering his existence. :s
It would be hard to make a case on SO when he only has like 4 short posts as of now.

My primary concern was how SO knew of PRs, or why he assumed we should base our strategy and time management over something we don't even know exist. That's just odd to say the least

[Exe]

To answer SO's question, how do you know there are any PRs? I can't believe everyone missed this.

And people say they can't see TS rolefishing

@SV: You want Amrun to be the executioner, but he won't kill either one of your scum suspects. Kinda counter-intuitive.

Notice that Exe doesn't really say anything with this post. Two sentences, the first says I'm not objective, which is a completely subjective statement, and I am curious to see if and how Exe attempts to prove that. The second is basically "NO I DIDNT". Let's see, you think charter and HC are town, they've been sheeping you for most of the game. You think Amrun, TS, and myself are scummy, we're the only ones that think you might not be town. Care to present a counter-argument? Or are you content with empty mudslinging and bullshit?

Notice that Umbrage doesn't really say anything with this post. :O
Umbrage, if "You're not objective," is a subjective sentence, then how can YOU be objective while calling others out for not being objective?
Secondly, correlation does not imply causation. I've stated WHY Amrun and TS both make me worried. Admittedly, my suspicions on you I've mostly kept to myself. However, the fact remains that I've posted actual suspicions on TS AND Amrun. Your argument is basically that I'm lying, however you have no evidence towards this other than the fact that you disagree with me AND I find you suspicious, however this isn't a proof of anything.


Now, I think it's time to switch things up a bit here.
TwistedSpoon, you've done nothing to reduce my suspicions of you, and I have to trust my instincts on this one.
To everyone who wants to know why I am so aggressive: I have a daykill. This will end the day once I use it, however I've been told that we can talk until the mod posts the death scene. I'd like to see a flip and the results of a night phase, so here goes.

Kill: TwistedSpoon

So @TS: Any last words?

[Ant_to_the_max]

So what the hell are we doing about the night vote now?

[Ant_to_the_max]

I propose that Final Fires gets the executioner role.

[Amrun]

I'm fine with Final Fires getting it, as indicated by my vote, but NOT Exe...

Exe, how could you end the dayphase when we haven't discussed night executioner or night kills?!

[Umbrage]

Ant stole my thunder.

Everyone: vote Final Fires for the nightkill. Final Fires: kill Exe. Even if he's town, he's now used his power and is basically a confirmed VT, not someone we want alive. Exe: congrats, you win the worst player award for this game.

[Amrun]

Umbrage, why wouldn't you want a VT alive?

I have to admit that his anti-town behavior is making me not care if he lives or dies... But I wouldn't kill him by virtue of him being town.

But I grant him VI of this game.

[Ant_to_the_max]

I think vezokpiraka might be the one to go with. But we will see how it plays out and I feel safe he will make a good choice.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Wow! Holy crap people!

I really don't like how amrun is trying to appear so original for the sake originality. I looks like scum trying to stand out from the crowd. I don't know why they would do that but that is what it makes me think of.

I'm not even sure how this is an argument...

It does not matter who the executioner is. At all.

The executioner is only going to execute who we tell them to execute. If they execute somebody else, then we kill them as soon as possible. Every moment we spend arguing about who should have the honor of actually typing "Execute: [WHO THE TOWN CHOSE] is a moment we are not arguing about who to execute, and that is by far the more important question. The quicker we do that, the quicker we can start discussing night scenarios. There are four questions we need to answer every day. Of those four, three of them are of crucial importance. The fourth is a formality, and we should take care of it as soon as possible.

If we haven't elected an executioner in 24 hours, then everybody who obstructs that process is going to shoot right up my scumlist.

Stop it, your ability to fail to think things through is showing.

(im just going to keep on throw out more stuff I wanted to say while catching up)