Mafia 124 - Dilemma Mafia (Day 6)

[bobsnox]

yes let's lynch darla thanks

:tunnnnnnneeeeeelllllllllll:

[Llamarble]

I didn't get anything telling me I was masonized or anything like that.

[Yosarian2]

I didn't get anything telling me I was masonized or anything like that.

Ok, so Fate's a lying scum.

We can go ahead and lynch Fate now.

Claim?

I never claimed anything.

Just quotes and devil-advocate speculation that's all

<3

Lol...so now you're going to just go back on your claim?

Ok; Fate is scum, Llama might be town. I was hoping that Llama was going to claim to be masonized buddies with Fate so we could nail them both together, but Fate being a lying scum is good enough for today.

[Empking]

Vote Count 32

1. bobsnox
2. DarlaBlueEyes (3) - bobsnox, Fate, Jahudo
3. werewolf555 (1) - DavidParker
4. DLG
5. Jahudo
6. Bub Bidderskins
7. Fishythefish
8. Brokenscraps
9. DavidParker
10. Fate (1) - Yosarian2
11. Yosarian2 (1) - llamarble,
13. llarmable (4) - Bub Bidderskins, werewolf555, DLG, DarlaBlueEyes

Not Voting: brokenscraps, Fishythefish,

With 12 alive its 7 to lynch

[Empking]

Darla has been prodded

[DavidParker]

@mod:

2. DarlaBlueEyes (2) - bobsnox, Fate, Jahudo

Hmm..

Also where are you Darla. I wanna talk BSG WITH YOUUUU

[Fate]

(Hehe Yos thinks he can lynch me with a lynch all liars policy)

[DavidParker]

I'm kinda confused atm. Isn't yos supposed to be a relatively experienced player? why isn't he acting as one.

[Fate]

That's why I thought he was scum...

Maybe he just got hit by a noob stick.

[DavidParker]

It doesn't make me think he's scum, it just makes me confused :/

[Fishythefish]

@Fate: why did you post this:

Role related reasons. Marble is town. No more will be said.

[Fate]

Because I wanted town to wake the fuck up and get off Marbletown.

Sue me, I'm a liar

[bobsnox]

lynch all darlas

[Yosarian2]

(Hehe Yos thinks he can lynch me with a lynch all liars policy)

Hehe fate thinks he can blatantly attempt to fake a cop claim and then not get lynched when he gets caught.

Of course you lynch basically anyone who lies about their role. One in a blue moon, you get some village idiot noob who tries to fake a claim as town (like Whiskey did day 1, urg), usually as a desperate last ditch attempt to avoid getting lynched, but it basically always implodes, and competent players generally know better. You certainly would have had no reason to fake a cop claim as town there.

[Yosarian2]

I'm kinda confused atm. Isn't yos supposed to be a relatively experienced player? why isn't he acting as one.

Um, I am. When an experienced player catches someone lying about their role, they lynch that person.

I'm a little confused why Fate hasn't been lynched yet, to be honest.

[Yosarian2]

@Fate: why did you post this:

Role related reasons. Marble is town. No more will be said.

Because he's lying scum who was trying to set up for a day 3 cop claim, obviously.

Remember, if there's a 4 man scum team in this game, we're facing lynch or lose on day 4. He wouldn't have had to bullshit for long.

[Jahudo]

I don't really see any town or scum motivation to Fate's gambit/fake claim. Though it did make me want to leave you guys to your own bickering and go back to my fav wagon.

[Jahudo]

Or rather, Fate's vote change made me want to change too. His claim just solidified my belief that neither Fate or Yos are good lynches today, because part of me thinks that with more information you guys will consider other scenarios, like a scum that's not {Fate, Yos, llama}.

[Fate]

Seriously Yos, is your brother posting on your account?

[Empking]

brokenscraps has been prodded

[Llamarble]

I reread Darla yet again and I still think she's town. Her thoughts just make sense from someone who is trying to find the scum.
DP also seems town so far. And town do make gambits sometimes. I'm not interested in lynching Fate today. Especially since claiming masonizer is so easily disprovable. I find it conceivable though quite unlikely that he's been bussing, but his reactions really make me feel like he shares my perspective on the game.

Town:
Llama
Fishy
Broken
DLG
Fate
Darla
Bob
DP

Scum:
Yos
Bub
Jahudo
WW

Jahudo's stance on Darla has been strange. Much of D1 he thinks she's town. D2 He asks her a couple questions, then votes her saying he'll hang out on her wagon awhile till he gets answers. Then he votes me because I'm the issue of the day, sad to leave the Darlalynch he was "gun ho" for. Then after a bit more he revotes Darla, his "fav wagon." The expressed strength of his suspicions on Darla don't really make sense with him asking a couple questions and expressing an intention to hang out on her wagon. It also feels like opportunistic scum wanting not to lynch his yosbuddy but being willing to lynch another townie instead of me if possible since my flip will make his buddies look bad.

[Jahudo]

And I hung out on it in the first place because that was my fav wagon. If I've expressed differing levels of confidence its because I'm comparing it to other wagons. My confidence on the Darla wagon has stayed the same since day 2 began. And my stance changed from day 1 partially because her scummy actions happened at the very end of the day when all of us were focused on getting a lynch in and I thought Whisky was the best bet. I didn't know Darla was scummy until night 1. But unfortunately her absence is making any investigating impossible.

Can you explain your Darla and werewolf reads again, llamarble?

[Llamarble]

Werewolf is scummy for voting me without giving any sort of reasonable explanation.
He replaced flinter, who basically just attacked Darla, Ender, and whisky while calling Jahudo a voice of reason.

Why is Darla town?
I think she's trying to find the scum. For example, her ISO section looks like legitimate thinking about those players.
@your question 1: She says in that post that she thinks whisky is likelier scum than me and she doesn't want to vote Bub either so she votes Whisky.
@your question 2: Getting confused about who votes came from due to not checking to be ultrasure seems very believable to me. She saw two wagons and two new votes for one of the wagons and assumed they came from the other / that the player votes were moving to was the viable deadline lynch. She also says she thought my slot was scummy but my scumhunting made her think I was at least more useful than whisky, whom she voted. Again, that makes sense. And she doesn't forget about her suspicion of Bobsnox; he's just not a viable lynch.

[Jahudo]

1. Her top suspect was bobsnox, but she didn't mention him at all as a better choice. I expect townies to fight for their preference and scum to hop for convenience.

2. The unvote was connected to the vote AND she was talking about how the wagons were shifting. I can excuse people for not reading unvote targets when they are not particularly interested in where the vote came from. I can also excuse a person short on time for not searching through a page or two for a little piece of information about wagon shifts. But if you want to bring up that argument, how do you miss the unvote part of an unvote/vote two-liner when you are there reading the vote part?

[Yosarian2]

DP also seems town so far. And town do make gambits sometimes. I'm not interested in lynching Fate today. Especially since claiming masonizer is so easily disprovable.

Dude, are you paying attention?

He wasn't trying to claim masonizer. He was trying to claim cop, and I caught him in a lie, using role-based information, and put him in a situation that he literally had no possible way of bullshitting his way out of.

He claimed he had role-based information that you were town. I knew this was a lie, because he obviously wasn't your mason buddy, and because I tracked Nik last night and I knew that he did not target you. So I called him out on it. After I told him that I knew he was lying about getting a cop investigation on you, he tried to weasel his way out of it. He quoted the entire whitelist of normal roles, implying that he was one of those. But, of course, none of those could possibly work. Then, desperate, he went for the bullshit "Oh I'm a masonizer lol" line, trying to pass the whole thing off as a joke.

Of course, it wasn't a joke. No pro-town person claims cop on day 2 in order to try to save a claimed vanilla townie just because you have a hunch that he's probably town; if you do that, you probably just out the real cop for absolutely no gain, get yourself lynched in the process, and cause a town loss. And there is absolutely no other way to interpret his initial posts other then as an attempt to claim cop.

He first hints at it here:

I have reasons, thats what makes me say it.

I call him out on it:

I have reasons, thats what makes me say it.

You have reasons? I'm going to need to hear this explained. Now.

And he takes the bait.

Role related reasons. Marble is town. No more will be said.

Again, his "masonizer" bullshit aside, there are only two roles that can confirm someone as town; mason, and cop. He was already confirmed to not be a mason, so this was clearly a cop softclaim, period.

At this point, I knew he was lying, so:

Role related reasons. Marble is town. No more will be said.

...

unvote

vote:fate

I'm going to give you exactally one chance to claim, just on the off chance something weird is going on here, but if you're claiming what I think you are, then you are lying scum.

Knowing he was caught, but still not sure how (he probably didn't know if I was the cop and was counterclaiming, or if I had some other way to know he was lying), he tried to temporize:

I'm not claiming cop if thats what you're asking. I'm claiming that I know Marble is town. I'm not claiming my role.

But there was absolutly no other way to read his post other then as a cop claim, and he knew it. He tried this:

There are other roles, your creativity is lacking.

Vanilla Townie, Sane Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Bulletproof, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Framer, Mafia-aligned versions of above roles

But, of course, none of those roles fit the situation at all, except for cop or something that had a cop investigation, and he knew it. He was stalling for time, hoping to create some confusion and find some kind of window to BS his way out of it.

Finally, in an act of absolute desperation, he said this:

Mason recruiter.

'nuff said.

Because there was literally nothing else he could have said. But I guarantee you, when he made the initial post, it was never his intent to eventually claim mason recruiter. He was going for a cop claim, and he'd probably have pulled it off and won the game for his scum team with it, if he hadn't been tracked last night.

I'm also kind of bemused that you still have my name on your scum list, marble. I'm really wondering if you've been reading the game at all here.