Execution Mafia GAMEOVER!

[Umbrage]

Umbrage shut up. You are just posting fluff and accusing Exe. Stop it.

Umbrage shut up. You are just accusing Exe. Stop it.

Buddy much?

[vezokpiraka]

I am defending my strongest town read. With no flips that means nothing.

[Amrun]

@Exe: I am not obligated to comment on Umbrage's posts. I read them, but they're pretty straightforward. Both you and him are tunneling on each other and neither of your arguments are valid, imho. You're both distorting, but you are distorting his words more.

I commented on the worst example. He never said your play was good scum play. He said it was bad regardless of alignment. That much is obvious.

While Umbrage is being overly defensive in your argument, which moves him up a notch on my scum scale, you are coming out worse in the argument, in my eyes.

You are relying on meta for defense (bad) and yet attacking Umbrage for using a meta argument (bad on both sides).

The whole thing is fucking dumb and you both need to stop.

@vezok: no townie wants to know your role because they don't want scum to know your role. Anyone should know that, and as you didn't strike me as an idiot, I think you do too.

If you have a PR, I think it's a scum PR. Stop the WIFOM.

Also no one is that sure of someone else's alignment but scum or masons. Stop buddying so hard.

[Exe]

Also no one is that sure of someone else's alignment but scum or masons. Stop buddying so hard.

So why in the world would Vezok act the way he is if he was

actually

scum? You yourself said he doesn't seem like an idiot, so I fail to see why someone you don't think is an idiot would blatantly buddy with another player as scum.

Think outside the box...or the wiki. Vezok is being silly, but he's being town-silly.

[Amrun]

I think he's town-buddying you, not scum buddying.

I still have a null on you, but if vezok flips scum, you get town points.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Last thing though, Exe needs to live.

Can you expand on this? Specifically what makes you feel this way?

While you said, it doesn't make him a confirmed townie, it also doesn't make him scum if twistedspoon flipped town. If we were going to kill him, I would want to have that discussion with everyone else during the day phase and not have someone take a cheap shot at him over the night and come back saying "my bad guys"

Tragedy is also moving from questionable to scummy
VOTE: Final Fires

[Amrun]

And vezok's either bad town or bad scum. Telling the difference between the two has always been tough for me, but my gut says scum. Also his fishing was still a big scumtell for me.

@ant: your post confuses me.

[Ant_to_the_max]

What part? I can reword things for you.

[Amrun]

Why does Exe need to live?

His vigkill wasn't even real.

Your argument seems to be that it didn't prove he was scum, so he should live.

Proving people are scum is pretty damn difficult. If that vigkill had been real and TS flipped town, I would have gone after Exe next, no questions.

No townie really ends the day that early on a whim in this set up.

[Umbrage]

So why in the world would Vezok act the way he is if he was actually scum? You yourself said he doesn't seem like an idiot, so I fail to see why someone you don't think is an idiot would blatantly buddy with another player as scum.

All WIFOM.

[Exe]

This game needs more votecounts.

P-Edit:

@Umbrage: Bravo, you get the award for biggest fan of wiki-words.
Welcome to Mafia. Nearly everything is WIFOM.
You know your argument about me being scum and being anti-town in other games to mask the fact that I'm scum? That's WIFOM too.

But here's an educational lesson: there's this other thing called

analysis

that let's us come to conclusions...some people like to call it WIFOM.

[Ant_to_the_max]

What I said was before the kill was said to be fake. So my logic behind it is moot. Only reason why I brought it up is because Final Fires asked what was going on in my head.

[Umbrage]

You know your argument about me being scum and being anti-town in other games to mask the fact that I'm scum? That's WIFOM too.

Again, putting words in my mouth. I only said that to prove your argument, based on meta, was WIFOM.

[Amrun]

What I said was before the kill was said to be fake. So my logic behind it is moot. Only reason why I brought it up is because Final Fires asked what was going on in my head.

Yes, I know.

But how, in that situation, would exe NOT have looked scummy if TS flipped town?

He would have put town at a huge disadvantage on purpose. It would have been classic scum, just obvscum.

And yet you wanted to keep him alive no matter what. Why?

I see zero town motivation in this.

[Haschel Cedricson]

If we haven't elected an executioner in 24 hours, then everybody who obstructs that process is going to shoot right up my scumlist.

This was posted on Monday. Come on, folks, all aboard the Amrun Train.

[Twistedspoon]

Fine

I voted FF, and he voted Amrun, so I see no problem in switching my vote. VOTE: Amrun

Like Hascel said, It doesn't matter who the executioner is too much anyways, since it's in their interests that they execute the town's choice.

[Tragedy]

Vezok: Really scum, for the demand to live while not doing the scum-hunts.

Umbrage: Worse = Could possibly mean bad townie. If you were reading Simpsons Mafia on how

I was

playing badly, you wouldn't completely consider as a noob townie that's worst. I wouldn't really trust you as an Executioner, but I don't even know what

you're doing anymore

. Null-to-scum.

TS: Null. Not really much to scum-hunting, mostly on defense.

SO: Flying under the radar,

scum

.

SV: I don't like him and his observations. Null read.

HASH: I do analyze the answers, but I prefer not revealing any thoughts about it at the moment. Anyone would ask questions and not talk of his/her conclusions towards the questions not right away, though. Not much to really read on you at the moment. Null.

[mallowgeno]

Prod StrungOver please

Prodding

[Amrun]

Tragedy, we've been through this in the thread.

Withholding your analyzations is NOT a town thing to do.

All of your questions without answers are starting to come off as trying to appear to offer content while actually doing nothing. A couple of iffy reads offered this far into the game is kind of like too little too late.

[charter]

Vote Amrun

Still think we need to be killing Umbrage. Don't see that changing. Nothing of note in the past few pages, just people with too much time posting junk.

[Final Fires]

@Mod, could we get a votecount?

If more than half of the people alive want me to claim I will claim.

I know this goes against my last post when I said we should stop speculation on PRs has a whole, but I think this is an exception. Every single person playing the game at this point knows that vez has a power.

I thought about the hints he's dropped, and I can not think of a single role that would need to know who the doctors/cops are, except for maybe a doctor. However, if vez were a doctor he wouldn't be saying "just let me live tonight!". I can't think of a single role that satisfies the hints he's dropped us. In fact, I can't think of a role at all that so urgently needs just one night, for whatever reason.

If he is town, and we did make him claim, the only thing that would be different is that we now know what his role is. Whether or not he has revealed his role, he will still be the first one killed by the mafia, once [or if] they gain control of the NK. Scum don't need to know what role a PR has for it to be a good kill.

If he is scum, and we made him claim, a lot would be different. His whole "let me live one more night!" ordeal would make a lot more sense. If he is scum, and we did catch him phishing for roles, it would make sense for him to fake a PR and ask for one night; because if we did lynch him today, that could lose his team the nightkill.

Vez, please don't claim yet.

I want a discussion on this before we decide if it's a good idea or not. However, as of now I can't really see any cons to him claiming; he's good as dead either way. The only difference is that by allowing this to go on for one more day, he has the potential to net his team a nightkill if he is scum.

Also, I would read over vez's iso. The more I read it the more I felt like he was scummy.

In other news, Umbrage/Exe's argument didn't really raise any points that convinced me the other was scum. It just seemed like they were arguing semantics, especially meta and VIs.

Tragedy, who are your town reads?

[Haschel Cedricson]

HASH: I do analyze the answers, but I prefer not revealing any thoughts about it at the moment. Anyone would ask questions and not talk of his/her conclusions towards the questions not right away, though.

Disagree. You're doing exactly what I did here: Asking a ton of questions and not following up on the responses. I was called out on it here, and rightly so.

By the by, I see a lot* of people saying "I will vote for whoever promises to kill ____". This is stupid. After we elect an executioner, then we should play like normal and have the executioner kill whoever gets a majority of votes. To that end, I want every player in the game to repeat these words:

If I am elected Executioner, I will only execute the player that a majority of the town tells me to execute, regardless of my personal feelings on said player.

[Exe]

Vezo shouldn't claim unless we plan to kill him. That's the simple fact.
In the event that we plan to kill him at night, he should claim. However, if not, we shouldn't, as then we leave some WIFOM for scum if they do gain control of the kill.

Also, I don't know if we've mentioned it yet, but whoever gets the night kill should no-kill unless they have information that guarantees their target will be scum. This should hopefully be obvious to the town.

Oh and, I won't promise that as Executioner I will definitely go with the majority pick. I won't kill someone that the majority is against, don't get me wrong, but I also won't kill one of my strongest town-reads.
I may not always be right on my scum-reads, but I am always pretty confident in my town reads, and it usually pays off.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Okay, now I'm changing my stance that it doesn't matter who the executioner is.

Nobody elect Exe executioner.

[Exe]

Nobody elect Exe executioner.

Psh, no matter. I'll just make myself executioner!
lol