Newbie 1060: It's a Murder Mystery (Game Over)

[Mhi200]

Well, that was the first meaning I took from it.

[Voidedmafia]

I think both voided and snowjordan actually came out of that argument pretty well.

Ugh, please don't claim scumbuddy on day 1, this makes me sad

Spoiler:

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Please explain how you got "claiming scumbuddies" out of "compliment Snow and I".

Mhi:

Spoiler:

Arguably that changed over a couple of posts, the last of those being the one that made me unvote.

I thought his actions were scummy, yes, but now that it's after the fact I can't help but question if I really thought he himself was scum.

[Mhi200]

Fair enough I guess, I've been thinking of unvoting because it's obvious we aren't going to get a majority.

Unvote

[Mhi200]

And I think GreyICE thought Prim was implying the outcome was a little too convenient for both of you.

[GreyICE]

Please explain how you got "claiming scumbuddies" out of "compliment Snow and I".

'cause that ain't no sort of read. We got alllllll sorts of reads out of that fun incident, and that's what he got out of the post?

Possibilities:
1) You're both town - saying he thinks you're both town means less mislynches, or he has to go back on a read
2) One of you is scum - he can either finger the right one (on day 1), and throw the weight of an IC at scum, or finger the wrong one and find himself in a sticky wicket.
3) Both of you are scum - not possible.

So noncommittal. So no effort put into getting a read. So no arguments thrown out there. Come on man, don't just move past that without posting reads and go bug the lurkers.

[Mhi200]

3) Both of you are scum - not possible.

How so?

[Voidedmafia]

Spoiler:

I see sarg in the users browsing the forum, so I hope he does post.

And Zensei will be back in two days, but I'd like both of them to put input on our argument.

[GreyICE]

3) Both of you are scum - not possible.

How so?

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Hmm, look through their posts and find signs that they're both scum and this was a coordinated dance.

[Sarg338]

Spoiler:

I see sarg in the users browsing the forum, so I hope he does post.

And Zensei will be back in two days, but I'd like both of them to put input on our argument.

Read my intro post. I usually leave multiple tabs open, including this one, non-stop, so it says im here, but I'm sometimes at school or asleep.

[Mhi200]

Well, if thats all you meant ICE then ok, I just find impossible as rather definitive. I'm pretty sure no-one has been proven Town beyond all doubt.

[GreyICE]

Well, if thats all you meant ICE then ok, I just find impossible as rather definitive. I'm pretty sure no-one has been proven Town beyond all doubt.

Ah, then who are the two most likely to be town here, do you think, and the two most likely to be scum?

[Mhi200]

I don't know for sure what anyone is, most have done some scummy thing or other, but that doesn't mean their scum, as Voided pointed out.

[GreyICE]

I don't know for sure what anyone is, most have done some scummy thing or other, but that doesn't mean their scum, as Voided pointed out.

Just the two most likely to be town and the two most likely right now. Not proof, just who you think is which.

[Mhi200]

Well, despite my original FoS on Zensei, I can't get much of a read on him due to his current lack of posts (Hopefully fixed up when he's back).
Mammut and Prim haven't really made enough posts for me to get a read either.
I still think Snowjorden is scummy, Voided is either town or quite good at this game. You and Sarg not too sure. Mb I haven't even looked at yet.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.07

Mhi200 (1) - Primate
Primate (1) - mammut
Sarg338 (1) - mb53
snowjorden (1) - GreyICE
Voidedmafia (1) - snowjorden

Not Voting (4) - Zensei, Voidedmafia, Sarg338, Mhi200

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, March 4, 2011, at 11:59 PM EST (UTC-5).

Mod Notes

Zensei is V/LA until February 18

Seeking a replacement for mammut...

[Voidedmafia]

I still think Snowjorden is scummy, Voided is either town or quite good at this game. You and Sarg not too sure. Mb I haven't even looked at yet.

Spoiler:

You flatter me. I haven't played a siingle game before this one.

In any case, I'm off to school, and I'll try go collect my thoughts to give my 2 town/scum when I get home this afternoon.

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP: try to collect my thoughts.

[Equinox]

Otolia replaces mammut! Thank you!

[Otolia]

First of all :

Unvote

That said, I am the replacement for mammut who had a small wagon at his back for some time. I'm glad you change your mind as replacing in such a situation is challenging. Another post is coming with more analysis of what happened during the first day, I hope to enlighten you with a new and fresh point of view.

[GreyICE]

Anyone remember us having a wagon on Mammut? If so it was pretty lame, I didn't see any L-1.

[Otolia]

It was at L-2 in 1.02 / 1.03 votecount.

On a side note: A complete review of the thread might take longer than expected. I don't wanna rush things up since, first, we are still day 1 and I want everyone to have a little bit of fun, and second, nobody is even near from L-1. Thus my complete post might be only tomorrow. I hope you can wait until then.

[mb53]

I think both voided and snowjordan actually came out of that argument pretty well.

I would agree, but role claims this early aren't very good.

VOTE: Unvote: vote Mhi200

Also, snowjorden seems to be painting a target on anyone who is currently or will in the future attack him. A townie should be focused on finding Maf, dying on day one as a townie is not a very big loss to the town tbh (and is very liely to happen either way)
With there only being two Maf, on the other hand, they need to focus on staying alive, and maybe cause the occasional mislynch to accelerate the process of killing off the townies. While saying there is no need for defense, snowjorden seems to be very defensive, constantly claiming town.

I'd like to know who specifically you feel snowjordan was "painting a target on". Just the people, not why at the minute (feel free to say why as well if you want).

Also, Voided's (relatively)sudden unvote seems suspicious.

Why do you feel it suspicious?

So you guys remember back when I said I had an idea? Yeah, its that mhi is scum (I wanted to see what would happen with snowjorden first though).

Too many examples of agreeing with everyone (without making it too obvious)

I agree with this.

So you never thought he was scum? =/

So mhi sees that vioded doesn't want to push a snowjorden lynch anymore. About 2 hours later, an unvote.

Also, Voided's (relatively)sudden unvote seems suspicious.

Yeah, it would draw much less attention if you unvote 6 hours after the wagon stops. Even though you still think hes scum. Mhm, just keep lying low man.

Voided is either town or quite good at this game.

Kind of taking this out of context, but I read this as a compliment to your scumbuddy (since, you know hes not town because hes your buddy or something)

[mb53]

Oops forgot

Unvote, Vote: Mhi]

[mb53]

-_- Tirple post...

Unvote Vote: Mhi

[Voidedmafia]

Spoiler:

I believe we were asked to give two people we thought were town and two who were scum, but I think it might help if I go over everyone again, since it'd help you all see what I think, and it might help me better work these kinds of things, as I do honestly think my ISO on snow was rather weak overall.

Spoiler:

Here are my thoughts on you all as of now:

mammut/Otolia:

Nothing to really go on, since Oto (if I may call you that) just replaced in. I suppose I could call the way he's posted so far town, though.

mhi200:

I personally didn't like his statement to snow that a mislynch D1 is bad (I understand it's likely to happen and all, I just don't agree with it), and I'm a little worried that he's FoSing for a chainsaw that even he himself admits is such a small possibility. Still, he seems pretty town to me. Not solidly town, but he's not null or scummy..

sarg:

I understand you may not exactly be HERE here, but I would like a little more content. His play does seem to be town so far, in my eye, and like he said, he's blunt.

snowjorden:

Like I said, you've scored some points with me by stopping with that defeatist attitude, but don't be offended because I'm still keeping an eye on you and don't think your out of being scummy just yet.

zensei

Not much content since this game started, so I'm really kinda forced to give a null read on him.

GreyICE:

I really, REALLY don't like how most of your responses to probing questions are along the lines of "look for yourself". Now, if we're dealing with something that should be obvious to all, then I'd understand. But saying that against mhi's question of why you think it'd be impossible for snow and I to both be scum was just a really bad play. I had considered keeping you as null, but that makes you scum for me.

Primate:

Pretty much in the same boat as Zensei, but it's worse for him because he doesn't have V/LA as an excuse to be away. Like I've said earlier, I won't call him scum for lack of activity or lurking, but his content doesn't look all that promising.

Spoiler:

So, in conclusion, I believe mhi and sarg are town, and that GreyICE and maybe Prime and Snow are scum. Everyone else is null, either by abscence or because their actions have kept me from giving a straight town/scum read.

As for mummat, I'd only say null because of how little content he had, but I could see a scum read if any of you gave it.