New Designer Mafia (Victor(s) are crowned)

[Amrun]

@fishy: I will get back to you on this.

[Internet Stranger]

All im seeing here is that we are back at 0. THIS is what happens when you make massclaims the focus.

So Fishy, are you saying in a roundabout way that Olinea should be lynched anyways just to be sure he doesnt flip scum and screws us in lylo?

[DeathNote]

Why are you still voting him? Your original vote was a pressure vote.

And my person did not send in a post bomber role, but he did send in a n0 lovers role.

I have no answer other then I dont wish to unvote yet.

[Fishythefish]

TBH, I hadn't even thought about the power of his role as scum until your posts made me straighten my thoughts about roles.

We should probably be a little more willing to lynch Oli than other players, particularly when LYLO approaches. Same goes for any role that's better for scum than town. Lylo is a very long way off, and one way another Oli may die or have an obvious alignment before then. I'm definitely not saying Oli should be lynched at this stage.

[Amrun]

DeathNote, wow. Anyone else getting SCUM from this post?

[Internet Stranger]

Youre not saying he shouldnt be either.

[Fishythefish]

Deathnote

I dislike his reaction to Xalxe, when Xalxe’s wagon was building early on for IIoA. Votes Xalxe when other people are doing so for reasons, saying “little pressure needed here”. Firstly, it simply wasn’t – Xalxe had a very decent wagon going. More to the point, this distances DN from the actual reasons for voting Xalxe, and undermines the vote itself.

Ehh... If what you say is true, then I would have unvoted Xalxe once I saw it wasn't going anywhere. As it stands, I am still voting him.

Not really. I'm saying it looks like you were pushing an easy wagon which you didn't really believe in. From your posts, it doesn't really look like you think Xalxe is scummy.

[Fishythefish]

@IS: Oli's role plays no significant part in how much I want to lynch him today.

[DeathNote]

DeathNote, wow. Anyone else getting SCUM from this post?

I admire your desire for this game but you are trying to make this too easy for you. I will not unvote until I no longer feel my vote on Xalxe is necessary.

[ender241]

Alright, i stupidly thought earlier that if i said something i would just be straight away lynched and didn't want to be, why would i a new awesome game and lynch first day. Later on i realised someone was going to be taking the blame on this so thought i should.

[Internet Stranger]

Hey Ender, how many bombs do you have anyways? Just one?

[ender241]

I have just one sadly.

[WhenInRome]

WhenInRome
His 126 stinks. It doesn’t sound like he thinks Olinea detonated the bomb – more like he did something weird, and that that justifies the vote. His vote in 272 is based on a contradiction from tajo that doesn’t exist – what tajo is clearly asking for is whether any submitted roles other than Yosarianite that could explain the votecount anomaly.

Woops, I didn't realize that. Sorry. *blushes*

UNVOTE:

Also, did anyone claim they submitted post bomber? We should really confirm ender's role.

[DemonHybrid]

This incriminates IS a little bit more. He went above and beyond with his Olinea tunneling.

I have to do some rereading, I'll be back tonight.

[danakillsu]

Dana, how do you know there was no detonator/scum detonator?

Okay, fine, I'll rephrase it. I was right that the killing of chesskid had nothing to do with a detonator and that there was not even close to a guarantee that if there was a detonator that it was scum.
@ Fishy
Your failure to answer post 325 is disturbing.

FoS: Fishythefish

[Fishythefish]

See post 331.

[Olinea]

Would you rather I asked where you got the information so you could interpret that as a rolefish?

I think a townie would have started by voting me.

I'm conservative with my vote. I don't vote for somebody because they give an

extremely

vague message saying they have a reason to suspect me. That's practically OMGUS; it reeks of an "Oh, you found me out? You die now" kind of deal. PRs are fallible and I don't take them as conclusive evidence of anything, especially not on Day 1. What you were doing basically amounted to "Vote him, he's scum" and I ignore things like that.

[danakillsu]

See post 331.

Okay, that makes so much more sense. I actually LOOKED for that, and didn't find it.

UnFoS:Fishy

[StrangerCoug]

I don't know why I haven't asked this earlier, but

Did anyone send in a role that functions as a Daykill when you PM it to the Mod?

I did not.

How can you not see that Olinea's claims have lead to two townie deaths, and a weird scenario in which I can't vote the biggest wagon? That is completely against my playstyle to not be able to bandwagon, and has me insanely suspicious of them. I will be checking to see if I can vote them, trust me on that.

Unless 1.) you can have two roles at once or 2.) both Olinea fakeclaimed a role his buddy really has and the mod made a mistake, Olinea is not the detonator. I am not willing to consider that Olinea is scum because he said "detonate". I'm not sold here.

Alright time to confess, i am a town Post Bomber, my ability was to choose a post number and bomb it. I thought that really i wasn't going to be able to predict who is going to post on a certain number so i did it randomly thinking i'd get lucky but instead i killed 2 people with it sorry guys feel free to lynch me, rather me with absolutely 0 abilities available than Olinea or someone.

Interesting.

StrangerCoug

WIR’s vote on tajo is bad; sheeping and defending it is worse. Doesn't feel like he's really thinking about the point at all.

I don't see the error of my ways. You're going to have to be more specific than that.

DeathNote, wow. Anyone else getting SCUM from this post?

I admire your desire for this game but you are trying to make this too easy for you. I will not unvote until I no longer feel my vote on Xalxe is necessary.

This rubs me the wrong way for some reason.

[Nocmen]

I agree with fish that any of these roles could be viable as both town or scum.

I'm not too sure with Ender's claim that he only has one bomb. I really want to hear from who submitted that role if that was part of hte restriction.

Furc is still obv scum, I'm kinda dissappointed everyone is ignoring that.

[Amrun]

I don't know about Furc.

On the one hand, he's scummy.

On the other, he's ALWAYS scummy, regardless of alignment.

[Amrun]

What I mean is I think he's fitting his town meta so far. Trying to keep an eye on the situation, though.

[populartajo]

I was going to make a case against obvscum Furcolow but then I read this and decided I couldnt have said better:

People who I have problems with:

Furc

Dislike his unwillingness to confirm Oli; rather like he wants continued pressure on Oli, when the protown thing to do is clearly verify the claim. Then, when a couple of people vote for him, he votes Oli. Feels like Furc always

knew

that was the protown thing to do, and once he was called on his inaction he wanted to appease the town. His explanation for this later is that confirming Oli’s claim was setting up for his wagon to be disbanded, which was counter to Furc’s goal, lynching the scummiest player. In other words, an outright admission that he cares about lynching Oli, not working out what is going on. This rather makes my point:

I am really confused as to what is going on with the Olinea/detonator/populartajo situation, but it is making me suspicious of them.

I don’t think that’s a natural townie reaction to the problem of being really confused about something. It seems that Furc can’t quite work out how to get from the facts to Oli/tajo scummy, but wants to give a scumread anyway. Furc seems content to throw out things that sound like they make Oli scum, while never presenting a coherent view of why he thinks that. He also sheeps the bad WIR vote on tajo. Overall, Furc’s play shows a massive lack of interest in working out who’s scum.

Confirm Vote: Furcolow.

[populartajo]

I don't know about Furc. (1)
On the one hand, he's scummy. (2)
On the other, he's ALWAYS scummy, regardless of alignment. (3)
What I mean is I think he's fitting his town meta so far. (4)

four different opinions in four lines about someone who is obvscum. scumpartner number one found.

[Amrun]

What do you mean?

I think they're all saying the exact same thing, just clarifying each other.

I see scumtells in his play. (Everyone should.) I ALWAYS see scumtells in his play.

I have a hell of a time reading him.

Right now, I think he's playing more like his town meta, but in reality there's very little difference between the two.

So, I can't get a read on him yet. My read on him is essentially null.

Everyone should watch their null reads carefully, so that's what I plan to do.


How does that not make sense?