Mini 1,115: Ozy and Millie Mafia (Game over!)

[werewolf555]

So uhh
I hope you lynched scum.

[Parama]

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[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Ghostlin (2): Empking, Jerbs

Jerbs (6): Parama, Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Packbat, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin

Not voting (2): Antihero, werewolf555

With

10

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch.

You decide that cool kid = bully, so you start tying a jump rope around Avery's neck.

"Wait, guys," he pleads. "Strangling people is not cool! Let me go!"

Strangling people is the only real way of getting rid of bullies using your own devices, so you don't heed his cries for mercy. Then you remember—he really hasn't caused much trouble. Unfortunately, it comes to mind too late—you've choked all the air out of him.

Jerbs, who was

Avery, a vanilla townie

, has been lynched on Day 2.

Night 2 ends in 72 hours.

[StrangerCoug]

Your walk to the bus stop takes you past the Llewellyn castle. Out of the corner of your eye, you notice something in its moat that's not usually there. Isolde, the relative of Llewellyn's that'd sometimes babysit, lie lifeless in the water, being held at the bottom by backpacks full of heavy books.

Another victim of the great schoolyard fight would be found at the yard itself this time, and this time it's the bullies that lost one of their own. Jeremy, the jock that liked sticking other people in trash cans, was put in one himself. Not only that, but most of his fur is gone, with what's left over being singed. Someone's gotten sick and tired of this!

It was a hunt for who was left among those that harassed the heck out of everybody. Who among the students remained?

Empking, who was

Isolde Llewellyn, a vanilla townie

, has been drowned on Night 2.
Packbat, who was

Jeremy Studley, a Mafia goon

, has had his fur burnt off on Night 2.

Three, seven, four.

[LlamaFluff]

I am all but ready to vote fishy-scum.

Wolf gets to claim first though. If anyone has anything to clears/condemns people it may be massclaim time regardless.

[Parama]

Hey look, Pack was scum.

To Jerbs: Stop playing so scummily as town.

[Ghostlin]

I am all but ready to vote fishy-scum.

Wolf gets to claim first though. If anyone has anything to clears/condemns people it may be massclaim time regardless.

Here's the situation as I see it: with 7 alive and a 3 scum: 9 town situation with a town killing role, presuming both of the kills are used tonight we're in MyLo situation right NOW. Which means if we lynch wrong and the wrong person hits town instead of scum, we lose during the next night phase, no if ands or buts. We're currently at 5:2 in this case, and if we let both roles kill with no lynch, the worst we'd be at would be 3:2, which would be Lylo.

The only ray of hope is a 2:9:1 with a serial killer. If that has occurred, the current configuration is 1:5:1, in which case the SK and the scum tard have to play killing tag. We aren't in mylo, but could end up with 1:2:1 the next day, which fucks town out of a victory, essentially. If we vote no lynch and both the SK and the scum hit townies, we're at 1:3:1, which allows us another shot at it, we would just need to lynch one or the other of the killers.

If the killing role is pro town, we might be able to convince not killing tonight in lieu of a lynch, although that's dangerous because they might not have a choice. (Compulsive Vig seems to be not un-ordinary on the site.) SK might not leave anything to chance, particularly if we mis lynch. (Scum may try to kill SK, knowing full well that'd bring a town loss as readily as not.) Knowing that all of these things are to be a factor, I propose this:

We don't lynch and we let both killing roles kill. We say nothing else to give scum clues who we think scum is. We do nothing to out killing roles, and we do not mass claim. It's the surest way to play the odds to get a

TOWN

victory. Particularly if we're stuck with a scum and a SK, if they kill each other, we stand a chance of winning by default.

Vote: No Lynch

[Parama]

There is an odd number of players alive. If there's a SK, it's you. We have one scum dead. Even if there are 2 mafia and 1 SK, this game's still winnable. The kills are looking more and more like vig kills, though. I could see one of the two coming from a SK trying to act like a vig, but a SK doesn't kill off multiple players that would likely be lynched in his place - by eliminating all the scummy townies (and scummy scum too) the SK leaves himself with a higher chance of being lynched. So I say for now we assume vig.

[Fishythefish]

Ghostlin practically claimed SK:

You know what, if I'm the SK, I want scum dead, and I want town alive as late as I can this game. If I'm town, I want to win this game.

unvote; vote: Jerbs

Claim, scumbag.

Parama isn’t mafia. Zyrc/Pack looks relatively unlikely; Pack’s day 1 vote on Zyrc came when Zyrc was genuinely in danger, and so doesn’t look much like a bus. ww I still think is probably a cop, largely because of the miller. That leaves Antihero and Llama as the most likely scum. I’ll have a look at them very soon.

Although a Pack/Anti/Llama team had zero motivation to kill Empking, and I can't see that they'd have done that over, say, Para.

[Parama]

I think they were right to kill Emp, personally <.< He was so obvtown it hurts.
To vig/SK: Shoot werewolf tonight. I don't want to waste a lynch on him, but he cannot be alive tomorrow.

[Parama]

Just putting this up for now, will analyze later:

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(2):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

Ghostlin (1):

DLG

Packbat

(1):

Empking

vezokpiraka

(1): Zyrconium
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

, LlamaFluff
Zyrconium (1): Parama

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

DLG

(1): Parama

Empking

(2):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

Packbat

(1):

DLG

vezokpiraka

(1): Zyrconium
werewolf555 (4): Antihero,

Jerbs

, LlamaFluff,

Empking

Zyrconium (1):

vezokpiraka

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(4):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

vezokpiraka

(1): werewolf555
werewolf555 (2): Antihero,

Jerbs

No Lynch (1):

Empking

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(5):

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

, LlamaFluff, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

,

Empking

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(5):

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

, LlamaFluff, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

,

Empking

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(2):

DLG

, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

LynchMePls

(5): Parama, LlamaFluff, Antihero,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

werewolf555 (2):

Jerbs

,

LynchMePls

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): Fishythefish

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1): Antihero

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

, werewolf555
werewolf555 (3):

Jerbs

,

LynchMePls

, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): Fishythefish

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1): Antihero

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

, werewolf555

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (2):

LynchMePls

, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

VOTE COUNT

DLG

(1):

vezokpiraka

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1):

LynchMePls

Jerbs

(3): Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Antihero

LynchMePls

(3): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1):

LynchMePls

Jerbs

(3): Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Antihero

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Jerbs

(2): Zyrconium, Fishythefish

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

, Antihero

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(4):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff
werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (2):

Jerbs

, Antihero,

Packbat

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(5):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3):

Jerbs

, Antihero,

Packbat

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(7):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin, Fishythefish, Antihero
Zyrconium (2):

Jerbs

,

Packbat

VOTE COUNT

Jerbs

(1): Parama
werewolf555 (2):

Empking

,

Jerbs

Parama (1):

Packbat

Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff

OTE COUNT

Empking

(1): Ghostlin

Jerbs

(4): Parama, Zyrconium, Fishythefish,

Packbat

werewolf555 (1):

Empking

Packbat

(1): LlamaFluff
Zyrconium (1):

Jerbs

VOTE COUNT
Ghostlin (2):

Empking

,

Jerbs

Jerbs

(6): Parama, Zyrconium, Fishythefish,

Packbat

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin

[Parama]

Actually, don't want to lose any trains of thought that a quick skim showed:

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(2):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

Ghostlin (1):

DLG

Packbat

(1):

Empking

vezokpiraka

(1): Zyrconium
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

, LlamaFluff
Zyrconium (1): Parama

Hmm. Might be one scum on the werewolf wagon, might not be.

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

DLG

(1): Parama

Empking

(2):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

Packbat

(1):

DLG

vezokpiraka

(1): Zyrconium
werewolf555 (4): Antihero,

Jerbs

, LlamaFluff,

Empking

Zyrconium (1):

vezokpiraka

...and now with 4 votes on werewolf, statistically there is scum. Even though the new vote is confirmed town...

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(4):

Packbat

,

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

vezokpiraka

(1): werewolf555
werewolf555 (2): Antihero,

Jerbs

No Lynch (1):

Empking

Let's call this evidence that I'm town
Antihero could be scum staying on werewolf... I quite like that theory, actually.

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(5):

LynchMePls

, Parama,

DLG

, LlamaFluff, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin
werewolf555 (3): Antihero,

Jerbs

,

Empking

Packbat jumped ship so I wouldn't be sure if there's actually scum on the Emp wagon or not... lemme recheck the posts around the time.
*looks at posts*
He jumped because of V/LA... oh damn. One of werewolf/Llama is most certainly scum replacing the vote on the Emp wagon... maybe even both. They friggin' simulposted, too.
Just noticed that this one's repeated again, ignoring the second one.

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): bristep123

Empking

(2):

DLG

, werewolf555

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium
LlamaFluff (1): Ghostlin

LynchMePls

(5): Parama, LlamaFluff, Antihero,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

werewolf555 (2):

Jerbs

,

LynchMePls

Holy wagon hop batman. Obviously 1 scum here, probably not two, especially since the only two possible scum voted back-to-back. Werewolf holding his vote on Emp for now...

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): Fishythefish

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1): Antihero

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

, werewolf555
werewolf555 (3):

Jerbs

,

LynchMePls

, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff

...werewolf is definitely scum. The buddy on the LMP wagon hopped off to god knows where to try and start a counterwagon to the werewolf wagon. Werewolf took the opportunity to replace the buddies' vote with his, and Pack in turn replaced werewolf's Emp vote. It makes too much damn sense to be coincidence.

VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): Fishythefish

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1): Antihero

Jerbs

(1): Zyrconium

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

vezokpiraka

,

Empking

, werewolf555

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (2):

LynchMePls

, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

Eh this is basically irrelevant since Jerbs is dead.

VOTE COUNT

DLG

(1):

vezokpiraka

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1):

LynchMePls

Jerbs

(3): Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Antihero

LynchMePls

(3): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

Huh. I think... I've got it. Let's look at a few more to see, but I'm pretty sure I know who both scum are now... can't even explain it. I'm pretty confident Antihero is scum.

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Ghostlin (1):

LynchMePls

Jerbs

(3): Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Antihero

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

Also irrelevant.

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1):

Packbat

Jerbs

(2): Zyrconium, Fishythefish

LynchMePls

(4): Parama,

Empking

, werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(1):

DLG

werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3): LlamaFluff,

Jerbs

, Antihero

Zyrc wagon isn't 100% town because I feel Zyrc is town. But that doesn't say anything new...

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(4):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff
werewolf555 (1): Ghostlin
Zyrconium (2):

Jerbs

, Antihero,

Packbat

Hmm... that vezok wagon could be all town, but I dunno...

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(5):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3):

Jerbs

, Antihero,

Packbat

Okay no the wagon is definitely not all town, so that means Llama is likely scum on the wagon... which contradicts the Antihero-scum theory. Sigh.

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls

(3): werewolf555,

vezokpiraka

, Zyrconium

Packbat

(1):

LynchMePls

vezokpiraka

(7):

DLG

, Parama,

Empking

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin, Fishythefish, Antihero
Zyrconium (2):

Jerbs

,

Packbat

I do remember a game where each of the first 3 days' lynches (on town) had one scum, each day a different scum, and on the first day the scum was on the tail end of the wagon. Wouldn't surprise me to see the same thing here, which means Antihero-scum is still on the table. I think I can safely say that Llama and Antihero aren't scum together but one of them most definitely is.

VOTE COUNT

Jerbs

(1): Parama
werewolf555 (2):

Empking

,

Jerbs

Parama (1):

Packbat

Zyrconium (1): LlamaFluff

We're off to a wonderful start if the first wagon is 100% confirmed town.

VOTE COUNT

Empking

(1): Ghostlin

Jerbs

(4): Parama, Zyrconium, Fishythefish,

Packbat

werewolf555 (1):

Empking

Packbat

(1): LlamaFluff
Zyrconium (1):

Jerbs

Nope, not gonna be any more scum at this point I'd think.

VOTE COUNT
Ghostlin (2):

Empking

,

Jerbs

Jerbs

(6): Parama, Zyrconium, Fishythefish,

Packbat

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin

...huh. This... is the most confusing count of the entire game. It still fits with the earlier game I mentioned, so I guess it doesn't disprove my theory, but...

I need to analyze Packbat's posts, but I'm going to

vote: Antihero

for now. Like I said, I don't want to lynch werewolf. That will be a quicklynch and will provide absolutely no information for the town, though we hardly need it at this point.

[Fishythefish]

Interactions of people with Packbat:
AH – very few. Notes that vezok is missing from a PB post, without calling PB scummy. Fits just fine with PB/AH not scumbuddies ignoring each other. PB

never

mentions AH!

Llama – they have a bit of a RVS tiff about Pack not having suspicions. I don’t read too much into that either way. PB criticises a vote of Ghost on Llama. They have a little discussion about SK/vig at the beginning of Day 2. Neither says much about the alignment of the other, until Llama came out with Packscum, after not putting him in a scumlist of 4 a few posts before, which struck me as odd. He said this was based on SK speculation; but that wouldn’t explain at all why Para, who was also SK speculating, was dropped. Llama then votes Pack a little later. This feels a bit wrong – it’s not a read Llama has been pushing, or even mentioned except once in passing.

Both of these make very good sense with Pack scum.

Zyrc – zyrc pressures Pack on a couple things. First, Pack’s statement about LMP – that he’d replace his vote if he wasn’t happy with LMP’s responses – and second on not following up on his hammer threat. Pack votes Zyrc, commenting that Zyrc never followed up on his LMP suspicions – this at a time when Zyrc was in a bit of danger (there were three competing wagons of similar popularity). Zyrc responds by saying that he didn’t follow up because he liked Pack’s answers. This whole thing doesn’t feel much like a scum interaction.

ww – ww never really talks about Pack, but ww never really talks about anyone much. Pack talks about ww’s claim a lot, which I tend to think he wouldn’t do with a fakeclaiming scumbuddy. That’s a situation where it’s pretty tricky to fake a reaction.

VOTE: Antihero

I think he fits best with Packbat. His general play doesn't give me a strong read either way.

[Parama]

Or you could've just sheeped my VCA case. But, whatever.

[Parama]

Oh man, I just read Anti's ISO again.

unvote

He's also so town it hurts. Let's get llama.

vote: LlamaFluff

[Parama]

hnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

unvote

Llama's probably also town, reading his ISO. It's not as sure as Antihero but.
Lemme ISO-scan everyone else really quick.

[Parama]

Hmm, thinking about it... that VCA is probably flawed for now. Think we need a few more flips first... sigh.

[Parama]

Sorry folks, I have oversubscribed myself with games and haven't been able to keep up with this one. I've asked to be replaced, because it's not fair to the rest of the town. Sorry again.

unvote

I still find this post to be ridiculously town.

I endorse the questions asked of zryc. I can't see any good reason to ask about me rather than anyone else, or to question Llama but not Parama.

@Llama: your scumlist was Zryc/Fishy/Emp/Para. But then you said
"Its going to be Zyrc/Fishy/Pack? Is Ghost a VI or scum? The answer to these or more as the game progresses. I think the answers are "two of the three" and "maybe even both"."
Where did Pack suddenly come from?

@Parama: why is Pack scum?

Holy crap. You have a bit of an obsession don't you?
Oddly enough part of me is saying that scum wouldn't be this blatant, but my judgment on this sort of thing seems to have been poor all game long... sigh.

Don't really see much in Fishy's ISO that I particularly like, but not much else that I particularly hate. Compared to my other reads though he's probably someone I wouldn't mind lynching.

[Parama]

Oh my. Read Zyrc's ISOs 6 and 7 (specifically the parts about Pack) then look at his scumlist:

Parama-note: this is his preface:

Unfortunately, my reads aren't much different from the rest of town.

1)LMP.
2)vezok(seriously still second, he was like 5th until that post)
large gap
3)Ghostlin
4)Empking(I really wanted this one to be higher, but no evidence to support it)
5)werewolf
6)Jerbs(I reckon this might drop in the next 30 posts I consider, I also reckon I may have been talking BS about the case to start with.... I don't really agree with what I said back there...)

...

P.S. Pack, I didn't follow up on you cause I liked your response...

Where the hell did Packbat go? I wanna see this response...

Better question:

LynchMePls, I will give you fourteen hours from the time of this post to respond to the outstanding questions directed toward you. If after that time I have not received a response I deem satisfactory, I will vote for your lynch.

What happened to this Pack?

Sheer bluff. Stupid bluff, too - LMP was asking to be lynched, so threatening to lynch wasn't effective. I still don't think his claiming was wise - my impression that the game was still relatively early - but the fashion of his claim struck me as pro-town, which suggested to me he

was

town. I just wanted him to keep talking.

My Vas-patented BS meter went berserk when rereading this. A "bluff"? No, the bastard just needed an excuse to cover his mistake. He had every intention of hammering - at the proper time, of course, because otherwise he'd look scummy.

I can see where some might take it at face value, but I don't think Zyrc is that dumb. This brief explanation made your entire read on Pack do a 180? No, I ain't buyin it.

It seems that every time Z posts, its when someone calls him out

I don't get the point of this sentence.

...

heh.
hehe.
HAHAHA.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wow. Wooooooow. Zyrc, plz die kthx.

vote: Zyrc

I don't even remember why I had a town read on him, but that probably made me ignore him for too long... sigh.

[Parama]

Quick rescan of VCA... sigh. I hate everything lemonade.

unvote

. I just don't see Zyrc being scum, even with is godawful posting... even if every single one of his votes in this game has been on now-confirmed town... because, really, it just doesn't add up. Gaaaaaah. I hate. Everything.

MORE PEOPLE POST. MY LIFE IS RUINED. STOP THE CANADIANS.

[Parama]

@ MOD:
You made an error in this vote count originally, but it was fixed.

VOTE COUNT

LynchMePls (3): werewolf555, vezokpiraka, Zyrconium
Packbat (1): LynchMePls
vezokpiraka (5): DLG, Parama, Empking, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin
Zyrconium (3): Jerbs, Antihero, Packbat
Not voting (1): Fishythefish

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

According to werewolf, the number of votes on Zyrc was wrong. If you can remember, and if you can confirm it for us, what was the number of votes on Zyrc prior to the fix?

Long shot question but I think it's relatively important.

[Parama]

I reread Ghost. I still think he's town, but I humbly request that he not bother trying to think for the rest of the game, since it will likely lead us all to destruction. Or he's SK and oh well who cares about him. Still don't think my SK theory holds any water.
SIGH. THIS GAME MAN. MAN THIS. GAME MAN. SIGH GAME.

[Fishythefish]

I endorse the questions asked of zryc. I can't see any good reason to ask about me rather than anyone else, or to question Llama but not Parama.

@Llama: your scumlist was Zryc/Fishy/Emp/Para. But then you said
"Its going to be Zyrc/Fishy/Pack? Is Ghost a VI or scum? The answer to these or more as the game progresses. I think the answers are "two of the three" and "maybe even both"."
Where did Pack suddenly come from?

@Parama: why is Pack scum?

Holy crap. You have a bit of an obsession don't you?
Oddly enough part of me is saying that scum wouldn't be this blatant, but my judgment on this sort of thing seems to have been poor all game long... sigh.

Don't really see much in Fishy's ISO that I particularly like, but not much else that I particularly hate. Compared to my other reads though he's probably someone I wouldn't mind lynching.

Actually, that post was mostly because I was trying to get a read on Packbat. I was pretty much drawing a blank on him, so I wanted to know what others felt. It's also true that I certainly wouldn't be this blatant as scum - I'm always somewhat paranoid about being connected to my scumbuddies, and I can't imagine posting this.

I've not really got into this game very much, so yeah. I'm not surprised you find my ISO meh. Sorry about that. (I tried to use the fact that we've got a scumflip to change that by looking at the game again with that in mind, which I think is helping)

[Antihero]

Sorry about my absense (I'm not sure if I spelled that right, but I don't really care), but I WILL have a post up by tomorrow, come hell or high water.

Initial impressions, though:

VOTE COUNT
Ghostlin (2): Empking, Jerbs
Jerbs (6): Parama,

Zyrconium, Fishythefish, Packbat

, LlamaFluff, Ghostlin
Not voting (2): Antihero, werewolf555

And I only had to use 1 tag.

Fishy. Hint: Parama is pretty unpredictable and flexible; keep that in mind next time you're scum trying to sheep one of his misreads to victory.

[LlamaFluff]

This game sucks when your list is essentially: "Two out of everyone but wolf"

Im thinking we may be near massclaim point.