New Designer Mafia (Victor(s) are crowned)

[populartajo]

it doesnt make sense at least in two different ways:

1. you say he has scumtells but somehow you think he is playing more his town meta. Does this make sense to you? If he has scumtells then he is more likely to come up scum than someone who doesnt have scumtells, right?

2. you say that you think he is playing his town meta (which is very little different than his scum meta). This ability to differentiate his town meta and his scum meta require a good ability to read him, yet you say that you have a hell of a time reading him.

there are other things like saying that you think he has scumtells, then that he is playing more like town and then that you read on him is null, but I feel like you are trying to say something and failing in the attempt.

think for a second and then come up with what you really want to say.

[populartajo]

who is voting for me and why?

[Amrun]

1. HE ALWAYS HAS SCUMTELLS. This entire point doesn't make sense. Always always always he has scumtells regardless of alignment. That's my whole point.

2. I can only read him in hindsight -- ie, going through his older games where he has already flipped. In the moment, I am confused to bits. Most VIs do this to me. It's not just him.



I agree I could have made myself clearer. I apologize for the confusion.

[Amrun]

Oh, and, I'd be more willing to lynch him than someone I have a strong town read, but I'd rather go for someone I have a scum read on.

I'm not going to lynch someone who always plays like a VI OVER someone who is giving me scumtells I trust, but I WILL lynch someone who is always a VI over someone I think is town.

In the meantime, I'm going to keep an eye on him to see if I can pick something out of the mire that is useful either way.

I hope that makes sense, at least.

[StrangerCoug]

who is voting for me and why?

I am voting you for claiming that you submitted the Yosarianite role, which prevents one person from voting another, but later claiming you did not send a vote-manipulating role. Lynch All Liars.

[populartajo]

i know you are a well reasoner so this is not looking for you, did you miss the massive explanations that have been provided, even the guy who supposedly "caught" this has apologized for not understanding what I was doing and confusing it with a contradiction?

[Xalxe]

I’m going through and doing quick iso’s of each player in random order. This should be done by tonight; I’d appreciate it if everyone answered the questions directed at them.

Also, I won’t be responding to anything else until I’m done with this, so you’ll just have to wait.

Plum

Most of her posts, oddly enough, have been directed at me. Aside from one large post, not much scumhunting. She did give a hint as to why chesskid3 and CooLDoG were lovers.

Plum’s Question:

Why were chesskid3 and CooLDoG lovers?

Fishythefish

Fishy is town. I agree with just about all of his reads I believe, and he didn’t get on the idiotic Olinea wagon. Nice scumhunting, avoids fluff posts.

Fishythefish’s Question:

You said that Olinea’s role has nothing to do with the fact that you want him lynched. Why do you want him lynched?

Zajnet

Zaj started out well with a nice scummy post and wonderful responses to my questions. /sarcasm
Lately, he’s been active lurkering with some nice setup speculation. Also, I find it odd that so many “scumtells” have been discovered on lynchable players…

Zajnet’s Question:

You say in post 10 of your iso that you’re not sure if Olinea or myself should be lynched first. How about now?

StrangerCoug

SC is doing a nice job of looking like he’s scumhunting more than he is. His votes (of which there have been many) are often accompanied by a quote and a brief reason (i.e. “No, you’re wrong there. VOTE: You”). There is also a lot of flip-flopping.

StrangerCoug’s Question:

I’d like a Top 3 list of both Town and Scum. No, that’s not a question.

Furcolow

Started out weak, but has gotten better since. I think it was stupid to refuse to verify some part of Olinea's roleclaim, but since then, you've at least been trying to help.

Furcolow's Question:

Last we heard from you, a surprising revalation had "changed everything." What are your thoughts now?

brokenscraps

I like brokenscraps. You need to post more. You enjoy that spot on the townie scale now, just keep posting.

brokenscraps' Question:

Who is scum? No less than three suspects.

Nocmen

Nocmen posts in much the same manner as myself, and has good reads. Well done sir.

Nocmen's Question:

Is there any way CooLDoG could have influenced the game already? As in, could he have given an item to somebody thus far?

WhenInRome

Wow, four posts. Are you even here and reading?

WhenInRome's Question:

Who is scum and who is town? No less than two suspects per, please.

Sevei

Catch up pls kthxbai.

Sevei's Question:

Provide reads pls. Thanks.

Amrun

Thanks for replacing. I like that you've gotten to posting reads already, that's good. Erm...yeah, not much else.

Amrun's Question:

You have one unstoppable daykill to use today only. Who do you shoot?

Internet Stranger

IS, while I feel that you have some good points, they get lost among the pointless bullshit and WTF ARE YOU DOING DAMMIT SHUT THE ************ UP AND GO LYNCH SCUM NAO. I'd appreciate some clearer points.

Internet Stranger's Question:

Who is town? No less than three now.

ribwich

You haven't posted.

danakillsu

You haven't really presented reads, just called everyone else stupid for looking for a detonator. I'm curious...

danakillsu's Question:

I'd like a list of town --> scum please.

poplartajo

Aside from the "die furcolow die" crusade you've taken up as of late, I've never had a reason to criticize you thus far. Although you should utilize those nice votecounts that pop up from time to time.

populartajo's Question:

Why do you think Amrun is scum?

zoraster

I don't agree with your reads on me and Olinea. So, sorry, but I'm at odds with you here; in addition, you've gotten choppy as of late in your posts.

zoraster's Question:

Would you please stop posting videos? They're a pain. Pics are fine.

Tasky

I disconcur with your Olinea views and stance on massclaim. But you've...not improved, but you're not worse either.

Tasky's Question:

Why do you sound like you want people to vote for you?

ender241

Thanks for claiming responsibility for chesskid's death. But you don't seem to have many reads, and quite frankly, you've been entirely unproductive all game.

ender241's Question:

Who is scum?

DeathNote

Unwilling to answer questions, cryptic about reasoning, and posts reeking of scum. VOTE: DeathNote

DeathNote's Question:

Why won't you answer Amrun's question?

DemonHybrid

Ehh...I don't like your early game play. You've gotten better though.

DemonHybrid's Question:

Who is scum?

Olinea

Framed as the detonator, proven not to be, quite frankly, I like Olinea town. The claim was a bit early for my taste, but I think it's worked out well.

Olinea's Question:

Why did you pick Furcolow as the one who couldn't vote for you?

[Nocmen]

Nocmen

Nocmen posts in much the same manner as myself, and has good reads. Well done sir.

Nocmen's Question:

Is there any way CooLDoG could have influenced the game already? As in, could he have given an item to somebody thus far?

The role was every night. Unless they could use it N0, no.

[populartajo]

The way Amrun responded makes me reconsider my scumread on her. Im even leaning on very likely town if Furcolow is indeed scum. I dont see a scumpartner defending the way she did.

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug

SC is doing a nice job of looking like he’s scumhunting more than he is. His votes (of which there have been many) are often accompanied by a quote and a brief reason (i.e. “No, you’re wrong there. VOTE: You”).

I am not going to write a 25-page report on why somebody is scummy. If I think one concise sentence is plenty, then I will only post one concise sentence. Think quality, not quantity.

There is also a lot of flip-flopping.

Evidence? I think I've been relatively consistent. Even so, things happen that mess up my reads.

StrangerCoug’s Question:

I’d like a Top 3 list of both Town and Scum. No, that’s not a question.

Top 3 scum: populartajo, Internet Stranger, Xalxe
Top 3 town: Olinea and ender241 are the only two people on whom I've had a strong town read. Forced to pick a third name, I'd say Plum.

[populartajo]

do you think am I scummier than Furcolow?

more importantly, why dont you think Furc is scum when he is basically IS with less reasoning?

[StrangerCoug]

I was asked for a top three. Furcolow is scummy, but not to the extent of you three.

[Amrun]

@Xalxe:

DeathNote. I already outlined a case on him, too, if you'll look. After that, he made more scummy posts.

[Plum]

Plum

Most of her posts, oddly enough, have been directed at me. Aside from one large post, not much scumhunting. She did give a hint as to why chesskid3 and CooLDoG were lovers.

Plum’s Question:

Why were chesskid3 and CooLDoG lovers?

Because I made them such pre-game. I had no choice but to Loverize two people and I chose them.

It's funny that you don't think it's scumhunting when it's directed in large part at you. For my part I've not been impressed by

your

scumhunting[/i] and this last post reads as something as a contrived effort at appearing to scumhunt or provide content. Why do you seem to think that people with similar reads to yours are Town? Half the people in this game you ask variations of 'provide reads'. You cleverly try to make them sound different - generic requests for reads, requests for three Townreads, three scumreads, or both, request a hypothetical Dayvig target - but a lot of this is either filler to make the post seem nice and/or directed at making you look like your trying to promote activity. Going through every single player in this game and giving a brief overview and half-the-time meaningless/generic question doesn't seem to spring from organic scumhunting, and, given that I was suspecting you for not posting scumhunting content/not paying attention to important things in the game. I am unimpressed, anyway.

Also - why do you tell Zoro to stop posting videos and not me? I'm probably a worse offender than he; one post's videos contained twelve minute's worth of stuff.

[Amrun]

Plum, please explain your choice that you knew would likely end to the early deaths of two players.

[populartajo]

Coug, what is the difference between IS and Furcolow?

[zoraster]

zoraster
I don't agree with your reads on me and Olinea. So, sorry, but I'm at odds with you here; in addition, you've gotten choppy as of late in your posts.

zoraster's Question: Would you please stop posting videos? They're a pain. Pics are fine.

First, no I will not.

Second, this post is so scummy! "So sorry I'm at odds with you here" what? It would be awfully weird if I expected him to agree with my scum read on him. So why bother posting this in the first place, especially if he's just going to wuss out and say "oh, well i don't agree with you here."

Let's make that clearer:

Xalxe is scum.

Now it is time to vote for Xalxe, everyone.

[Plum]

Plum, please explain your choice that you knew would likely end to the early deaths of two players.

I figured that, given that I didn't know the roles or alignments of the players I chose that least bad choice would be to Loverize two players who would be most likely to either be liabilities for the Town were they Town, or to be seen that way. This way the extra death would be at least a little more likely to be on someone likely to be under lynch pressure or a Vig target anyway. If I could've chosen to Loverize later, I would have Loverized two scumsuspects over players more likely to be policy lynch/Vig/attention-easting fodder. Regarding early death - you're right, actually, that these choices were more likely to cause an extra early death rather than an extra late death - though both have pros and cons and thinking about it I suspect that an extra early death is better than an extra late death/late bad choice about lynching someone who's scum if their Lover is otherwise valuable (which is more likely to happen in the late game if, for example, someone has become confirmed Town and his Lover is lik

[zoraster]

Plum is town.

[Amrun]

I think that post is unfinished, but I am mostly satisfied with the answer.

Xalxe, you are looking mighty scummy, not gonna lie. Pseudo-scum hunting... :/ You reek of it.

[StrangerCoug]

Coug, what is the difference between IS and Furcolow?

Internet Stranger was clearly throwing crap at Olinea to see what sticks, while Furcolow's logic regarding Olinea's wagon makes little sense.

[Plum]

I think that post is unfinished, but I am mostly satisfied with the answer.

Yeah, it somehow got cut off. Should read something like (which is more likely to happen in the late game if, for example, someone has become confirmed Town and his Lover is likely scum/a top scum suspect).

And right now as an afterthought - furthermore an extra early death is more flip-information when it's more beneficial relative to any loss inherent in the death, as a general rule.

[WhenInRome]

WhenInRome's Question: Who is scum and who is town? No less than two suspects per, please.

Well, Furc seems scummy to me. Mostly because he only seems to do anything if the town wants him to do it. It's also just a gut feeling, which can be very powerful. DeathNote is my other scum read. I want clear answers, not some bullshit riddles that seems like it should be on an Egyptian tomb: "The gods admire your desire for this treasure, but you are trying to make this too easy for you. I will not reveal the map until the three stones are placed in the Gateway."
For town, I'd say Plum and Oli. Plum seems to be actual scumhunting, not just pseudo-scumhunting. Oli has a confirmed role (well, it could still be scum, but he's the only clear (speaking of clears,did anyone submit the post bomber role?))

P.S. I can't watch videos, as I have an extremely old computer that should be in a museum. So don't ask me anything important in the videos, okay?

[Olinea]

Olinea's Question:

Why did you pick Furcolow as the one who couldn't vote for you?

Woooo backstory.

My last game before this, Rivertown Mafia, I was a Gunsmith who had managed to survive to 5p LyLo. Player list was:

ortiz1193
Furcolow
Olinea
Baby Spice
Fugitive

I had "no gun" results on Baby Spice and Fugitive, so I was ready to peg ortiz as scum since he pulled an

insanely

scummy hammer the day before. Furcolow had stayed in my Town books for a good 2/3 of the game and I didn't think he was overtly scummy so I was skeptical about my results. I waited on my vote, but Furcolow, after seeing that I had innos on Baby Spice and Fugitive, panicked. He was a VT and thought I was fakeclaiming an investigative PR during LyLo to get him lynched (which was a fair assumption, Gunsmith isn't a role that you'd expect to be CC'ed) and immediately voted for me. I was a bit nonchalant about the vote, believing him to be scum and therefore not leading into a quickhammer, but ortiz1193 and Fugitive (Godfather) organized a quickhammer on me and both Furcolow and I lost -- him due to his zealousness, and me due to my ignorance of how carefully people need to vote in LyLo.

As such, I picked Furcolow not because of his "status" (he did play well in Rivertown though, and no, that's not buddying), but because I know him to be a "loose cannon" of sorts. With no prior ties to anyone else in the game (DemonHybrid replaced into a game of mine and right back out in a matter of days) I simply chose him.



@ender241: Why did you wait so long to claim Post Bomber?

[DeathNote]

who is voting for me and why?

I am voting you for claiming that you submitted the Yosarianite role, which prevents one person from voting another, but later claiming you did not send a vote-manipulating role. Lynch All Liars.

i know you are a well reasoner so this is not looking for you, did you miss the massive explanations that have been provided, even the guy who supposedly "caught" this has apologized for not understanding what I was doing and confusing it with a contradiction?

StrangerCoug’s Question:

I’d like a Top 3 list of both Town and Scum. No, that’s not a question.

Top 3 scum: populartajo, Internet Stranger, Xalxe
Top 3 town: Olinea and ender241 are the only two people on whom I've had a strong town read. Forced to pick a third name, I'd say Plum.

Ok so the first post is SC explaining why he is voting populartajo. Stupid reason but whatever. The second post is populartajo defending himself and saying that WIM has already backed off his "catch" because he was wrong. Derp!

Now the third post is after the first two and SC seems to still think populartajo is scum... but based on what reasoning? Why are you (Strangercoug) so determined to see populartajo as scum?

@Xaxle- Because his question was not worth answering... just like yours. I guess I made an exception for you. -_-