Execution Mafia GAMEOVER!

[Amrun]

Oh, shoot, I forgot StrungOut was on V/LA. My b.

Umbrage, I think you're missing the nuance in my post, at least.

I was discussing the possibility of StrungOut and CoolDog kills because others were. They are not who I want to kill.

I want to kill SV, vezok, or Tragedy (who has moved up on my list).

However, I have vowed to do what town wants, and just because I want to kill certain people doesn't mean I shouldn't scumhunt on anyone and everyone.

I really do NOT want to kill SO or CD yet, but if the town wants me to, I will. If we choose to do that, I think night is a better choice. I hope that others are chosen, though.


And Charter called you out pretty well in that last post. That's a blatant discrepancy.

[Final Fires]

@ Final Fires and somewhat to Amrun: I can't help but notice you're picking on players who are absent or haven't made much content. Going after weak players like that strikes me as scummy. We shouldn't be hunting minnows, let's fry the big fish. Go for the scum that are active. Charter. SV. Exe. Vezok.

I have a gut read of SO as scum and CD as town. But that's just gut. I'm not willing to decide a kill on it. Going for one of them is a cop-out. A lottery. Maybe scum, maybe lurky town. Who knows?

I don't like how FF mentions an SO kill, then Exe and Amrun are suddenly all over it. I have a feeling an SO bandwagon will attract scum like shit attracts flies.

It would be very easy for scum to lie low and completely avoid suspicion the way this game has been going. So far it's all of the players who have been posting frequently who have been accused of being scum (twisted, yourself, exe, etc), and there's been almost no talk of those who don't post as much (the only exception being vez). I don't want this to turn into a game where the town tears itself apart, and the scum get a free pass because we ignored the lurkers.

What's your opinion on Tragedy?

I'm sick guys I'm really sorry. I will read the thread during N1...

I'm sorry that you're sick, and I hope you feel better.

However, my accusation against you lurking still stands. Especially because the last time you posted in this thread was the 13th, but you did post in other threads on the 14th, 15th, and 16th.

[Amrun]

^^^ Ouch, StrungOver.

That's not great.

Nice catch, FF.

[Final Fires]

And also,

Wait, two posts ago I was lurkerscum, now I'm activescum because there's talk of killing a lurker. Can't have both there. Looks like one of the lurkers is the last scum with Umbrage and Ant.

Can you clarify what you meant by this and who it was directed to?

[StrungOver]

ya I posted tiny things telling the mods I was sick and would have limited access,

[Amrun]

Can someone check on what SO said? I'm on my phone.

@FF: I believe charter was addressing Umbrage.

[Final Fires]

ya I posted tiny things telling the mods I was sick and would have limited access,

First of all, my bad on the last post. You did post on the 14th in this thread, I just missed it.

You weren't especially active in any of your other games, I'll give you that. But you did more than 'little things'; you voted and claimed. Both of these significant actions suggest that you at least kept up with those threads.

For now I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. However, I'm keeping you on my scumdar.

[Amrun]

SO: If you posted on other threads later, why not even post here to say you're V/LA?

And you were voting in other threads...?

Lynch All Liars.

[Exe]

Strungover was lurkey long before he was V/LA. Frankly, I don't think V/LA excuses him.

And no, I wouldn't kill SO during the day, that'd be like lynching a lurker.
However, look in any game with a vig, you'll learn that lurker's are vig-bait. And frankly, I say the best use of the Night kill is for vig purposes.

Also, this is my current theory, and I'm pretty confident in it actually.
I'm fairly certain the scum are:
Umbrage
&
1 of the lurker/active lurkers (Tragedy, SO, Cooldog) I'd bet SO or Cooldog. Tragedy isn't playing quite like the game we played when she was scum. I wish Cooldog had stayed, because in my experience he's a pretty obvious read for me. Oh well.
&
1 of my less confident town reads (Ant, Haschel, FF, Amrun, SV) Of this group, my money is on SV.

I'd be willing to bet that there's only 1 scum in each of those groups.

If I am wrong about Umbrage, then I'd say there are prob two scum in the second group. But frankly, I don't think I'm wrong about that.

In regards to a vote thingy,

Please Kill: Umbrage

I'm sticking by this read.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Yes, I know.

But how, in that situation, would exe NOT have looked scummy if TS flipped town?

He would have put town at a huge disadvantage on purpose. It would have been classic scum, just obvscum.

And yet you wanted to keep him alive no matter what. Why?

I see zero town motivation in this.

Eh, I guess it was mostly me just not making rash decisions. I don't like making choices on the fly.

I think that Vezo should

not

reveal his role if we don't plan to kill him. The reason for this is that then scum will have to decide for sure if Vezo is telling the truth or if he is just bluffing, which forces them to make a harder decision. If we force Vezo to claim, but don't plan to kill him, then we risk the chance that scum get the kill AND know exactly whether or not they need to kill Vezo.
And, to your second part, if you understand this part now, I think you'll see that I meant that scum having WIFOM is a good thing.

Then there is also the possibility of scum PR counter roles. I also agree that it might not be the best idea.

Notice how Umbrage leaves Ant off his list of 'low content posters' and Ant is right at the bottom. It's clear as day these two are scumbuddies.

Kill Umbrage, when he flips scum, Kill Ant.

qft

Ant is still scum. His response to my questions were mostly just sluffing them off.

If they were not so bad, I might have actually had to spend more than 2 seconds looking at it.

I would be up for a charter kill. Look at all his post. All very unfriendly and nothing but attacking people and not helping town discussion. If Umbrage is also scum there is a really great connection between the two.
Charter picks twistedspoon, Umbrage, and me to attack the whole game. 2(?) townies and 1 scum buddy? Sounds like an easy scum move. All scumminess from twistedspoon has disappeared once the wagon on him has died. Now it seems like he is trying to bus the heal out of Umbrage if they are scum. Watch for that.

Meanwhile, there's only WITCHES, as some would obviously read and notice from their Role PM as well, amIRight?

HEY! This seems like a good time to bring this up. What were you trying to say here? (I think I know, but I just want you to say it)

[Amrun]

@But it actually is you MAKING a rash decision. You didn't say, "Let's consider this carefully before deciding," you said, "Exe needs to stay alive."

And why did you qft someone who wants to kill you?

[Twistedspoon]

Notice how Umbrage leaves Ant off his list of 'low content posters' and Ant is right at the bottom. It's clear as day these two are scumbuddies.

Kill Umbrage, when he flips scum, Kill Ant.

qft

And why did you qft someone who wants to kill you?

The only reason why I see would have been if he was sarcastic (very difficult to see in forums) or if he believed umbrage town, so that Charter's killing of him could never happen.
Don't take my word for it though, I'm sure ant can explain fully

[vezokpiraka]

I agree with killing SO at night.

@FF: that was from the star wars rap. It was just a funny thing not something literal.

[Umbrage]

@ charter: I can't very well say you're lurking when I'm responding to your post, can I? But at the same time your activity and content per post is below par.

Still don't know why Exe wants to kill me, other than I disagree with him. Still not liking an SO kill.

@ Twistedspoon: Never, ever, ever answer a question directed at someone else for them.

To be honest, charter's beginning to look a little better, but I still think he's the best kill for today. I'm very interested in seeing SV's response to me though.

[Ant_to_the_max]

@But it actually is you MAKING a rash decision. You didn't say, "Let's consider this carefully before deciding," you said, "Exe needs to stay alive."

And why did you qft someone who wants to kill you?

I was responding to the claim Umbrage made.

And no. Charter's case on me is so dumb/BS/mudslinging/missrep/false information (take your pick) that I found it be very slanderous. Most of what he as said about me really fits himself than me.

@Charter: So....what do you still think about twistedspoon?

[Exe]

I'm seriously bothered by Ant's defense and counter-accusation of Charter. It's pretty much rubbish.

Your first accusation is

All very unfriendly and nothing but attacking people and not helping town discussion.

Unfriendly? That's a scumtell? Besides the fact that I don't see charter as "unfriendly" at all...
And how in the world is attack people NOT helpful. You're basically accusing him of scumhunting while saying that it's not helpful...

Also, the deliberate attempt to tie Charter to Umbrage is a serious "NO YOU," especially since Ant never mentions Umbrage as a suspect. I mean, why would you immediately jump to "Charter is bussing Umbrage," when you've never called Umbrage scum...?

There is just so much wrong with that post.

The icing on the cake are these two quotes:

Charter's case on me is so dumb/BS/mudslinging/missrep/false information (take your pick) that I found it be very slanderous.

And

Most of what he as said about me really fits himself than me.

For the first, you really just sound like you're trying to throw words at charter and hope they stick. Not really the sound of a townie with a confident scum read.
And the second is yet another "NO YOU."


Ant has seriously just shot up my scum-meter. Those posts are just

really

off.

[Twistedspoon]

I agree with killing SO at night.

O rly?

What evidence do we have that he is mafia? Sure, he could have been lurkking/active lurking, but apart from this is seems a little Anti-town from the little game-related info he's provided us with. We don't know his opinions on anything yet :s
But hey, that's your opinion, and SO could very possibly be scum, Who can say?

SO: If you posted on other threads later, why not even post here to say you're V/LA?

And you were voting in other threads...?

Lynch All Liars.

I do see little reason why SO would lie if He was town. Heck, Why would anyone lie if they weren't town?

Still not liking an SO kill.

It looks like we're all divided over an SO kill :/
I find it safer if we don't execute him today, but that's just my opinion, and I'm sure you have your reasons. He's certainly not the least suspicious player :/

I'd favour a Tragedy lynch, but wouldn't mind hearing more from our old friend SV

[Umbrage]

Dammit. On the one hand, Exe looks like he's helping out his buddy charter with a chainsaw on Ant. On the other hand, he does make some good points. Dammitdammitdammit.

Actually, Vezok saying SO is a good kill proves my point, a wagon on an absent player will draw out the scum. Vezok just became more scummy.

@ Exe: You've said vezokpiraka normally plays like this. Is that the only reason you find him town?

[Exe]

Exe looks like he's helping out his buddy charter with a chainsaw on Ant.

If you're really town, my advice to you in this situation is to assume that my attack on Ant is unrelated to Charter until we see a flip. It's Tar's basic logic, and IMHO it works.
I mean, yeah I find charter town, but those Ant posts are just really bad.

@ Exe: You've said vezokpiraka normally plays like this. Is that the only reason you find him town?

I've known Vezo to be a teensy bit of a VI, and in my experience make a lot of slip-ups. A lot of the case on Vezo relies on the argument that he's being subtle, subterfugical (word I just made up) and basically having ulterior motives to his comments. So basically, I don't see Vezo trying to mask a rolefish, I see him asking a question without understanding the consequences.
Another example, I also don't see him claiming to live 1 more night in order to trick the town as a scum PR or something like that.
It's just too WIFOM for Vezo, he tends to be straightforward and try to stay out of everyone's hair as scum. These are the mistakes that I expect out of a town-vezo.

[charter]

And also,

Wait, two posts ago I was lurkerscum, now I'm activescum because there's talk of killing a lurker. Can't have both there. Looks like one of the lurkers is the last scum with Umbrage and Ant.

Can you clarify what you meant by this and who it was directed to?

I referenced the posts in question in my next post (they answer your questions).

@ charter: I can't very well say you're lurking when I'm responding to your post, can I? But at the same time your activity and content per post is below par.

Ok. But you didn't explain how in post 396 you call me "scum that are active" if you think my activity and content are below par. You accuse me of tunneling, and call me scum for it, but you're tunneling on me just as much. Tunneling isn't a scumtell in my book, but your selective application of logic sure is.

Exe beat me to the punch in regards to Ant's latest accusations on me. Looks like he just slipped up him and Umbrage are buddies. I don't think it gets any more obvious than that. Umbrage looks like he's debating whether to abandon ship with regards to his Anttown/Charterscum reads, but it's way too late for that.

I think someone asked me about my read on TS. Right now it's slightly town. I was thinking he was scum before the daykill, but the fakedaykill in conjunction with Umbrage's using TS as town as his basis for suspecting me makes me believe his case on me is contingent on TS being town (which if Umbrage is scum, he would know whether it's true or not). It's what I often try to do as scum, so I pick up on it easily.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Unfriendly? That's a scumtell? Besides the fact that I don't see charter as "unfriendly" at all...
And how in the world is attack people NOT helpful. You're basically accusing him of scumhunting while saying that it's not helpful...

Not really scumhunting at all. More of just attacking the same 3 people the entire time. And the unhelpful comment is he sits back and does they
"ohhh look and what he did! Toootttallllyyyy scummyyyy" and just like he is trying to start rumors like a 14 year old girl.

Also, the deliberate attempt to tie Charter to Umbrage is a serious "NO YOU," especially since Ant never mentions Umbrage as a suspect. I mean, why would you immediately jump to "Charter is bussing Umbrage," when you've never called Umbrage scum...?

Just throwing it out there in case it ever comes up.

For the first, you really just sound like you're trying to throw words at charter and hope they stick. Not really the sound of a townie with a confident scum read.
And the second is yet another "NO YOU."

You are right. More of a townie who had a bad day in real life and unloaded a bit on the internet.
Although, I still stand by "if the boot fits" which I think it does.

As for the "NO U" part, I am accusing him of fake scumhunting. And posting useless content. Same thing he said I am doing.

part 2 of my thoughts will be just a separate post

[Ant_to_the_max]

I think someone asked me about my read on TS. Right now it's slightly town. I was thinking he was scum before the daykill, but the fakedaykill in conjunction with Umbrage's using TS as town as his basis for suspecting me makes me believe his case on me is contingent on TS being town (which if Umbrage is scum, he would know whether it's true or not). It's what I often try to do as scum, so I pick up on it easily.

You were thinking?????

Man, TS is trying his absolute hardest to dig his grave as fast as possible with 122 and calling attention to people not providing content, when it really seems like he isn't either. It's especially bad how he blames everyone because 'no one has mentioned him yet' like it's our fault for ignoring a lurker to go after scum (him). And then TS doesn't ask for his opinions on anything, just leaves it very vague, so I get the impression he doesn't care about SO's opinions, but wants the spotlight off of himself.

I'd also kill scum immediately upon being elected.

Not sure where you're getting 'Charter doesn't care who is elected' since I haven't said that. I've actually said just the opposite, that we should elect Exe since he will kill TS.

This is like the third time Umbrage has made a very obvious deflection for TS. To be honest, we can't kill these two fast enough.

Twisted is also scummy. I wouldn't mind him getting killed, either. After Shattered mentions his name and sheeping, he immediately accuses other players of sheeping. Pretty poor defense.

With Umbrage thinking TS is town (no idea how anyone can think that)

You were thinking?????
THINKING????
It really sounds like you were trying to ride that wagon as hard as you possibly could because you were 100% sure he was scum...what is up there?

[charter]

Really? You're arguing that when I said "I was thinking TS was scum" that isn't reflective of my posting where I called TS scum?
And you say my accusations are bad?

[Twistedspoon]

V/LA until monday

sry guys

[Final Fires]

This is from a while ago, but...

And now Umbrage is clawing for scumbag of the year. His list in 142 is wrong. His town reads are all the scummy people and everyone he doesn't list as town looks quite town.

Why were you so confident umbrage's town list was wrong?

Third, I'm pretty sure Axe is scum.

Who were you refering to as "axe"? Exe?

Also, I noticed a small contradiction here:

Third, I'm pretty sure Axe is scum.

Who were you refering to as "axe"? Exe?

Also, I noticed a small contradiction here:

You accuse me of tunneling, and call me scum for it, but you're tunneling on me just as much. Tunneling isn't a scumtell in my book, but your selective application of logic sure is.

However, earlier when Twisted was accused of sheeping and responded by saying that his attacker was sheeping too, Charter called him scum for it and said:

If the attack wasn't valid, he would have an easy time showing that. TS initially perceived the accusation as valid, and responded scummily. That's what's scummy.

I think this has been asked, but I don't think it's been answered.

Meanwhile, there's only WITCHES, as some would obviously read and notice from their Role PM as well, amIRight?

What was meant by this?

@Umbrage: I just came back from school just now and gotta pick up my bros.
More content later, but YOU.

You're just trying to distance yourself away since I have no content yet

..

Is it just me or is this a scum slip? Scum don't distance from townies. Townies don't distance from scum. Town doesn't distance from town. Only scum distance from scum.