Mafia 124 - Dilemma Mafia (Day 6)

Yosarian2 · Post Post #875 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:37 pm

Fishythefish wrote:Fun. After much effort, Fate finally succeeds in defusing the Llamawagon only when his fakeclaim is exposed.

The funny thing is, it really only works if Fate is scum. If Fate is scum, then he probably wouldn't claim an innocent just to save a scum buddy like that, so if Fate is scum Llama is probably town. But if Fate is town, then the gambit doesn't tell us anything, except "Fate really thinks Llama is town" and we already know that.

DavidParker · Post Post #876 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:34 pm

DLG wrote:
DavidParker wrote:Translation: We can't mislynch Darla because she is having a bad day RL. So let's mislynch Bub today and then we can mislynch Darla tomorrow.
This is a rather large leap you've made. Can you explain in more detail how you arrived at this conclusion?

Because Fate had been gunning for Darla for so long, and let a V/la/stalling make him unvote? I don't buy it. Regardless of the reason attached to Darla's stalling. Add Fate's fake claim onto that and I'd put Fate in my top two scum picks.

Fate · Post Post #877 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:21 pm

Voting a person who is V/LA is pointless, its counter-productive, I can't remember a game as town where I've left my vote on someone not here since I can't PRESSURE them.

YOU on the other hand have had weird as fuck transitions, lashing out at random at the most inane things.

First it was: Fate's a town read, I'm not really reading the thread my brain is much
Then: Fate's caught in a lie? Vote: ok
Then: Ok good, Fate is one of my biggest town reads, its good I dont need to vote him anymore.
Then: LOLWEREWOLF YOU TRYING TO META ME? YOURE SCUMMMMMMMMMM
Then: WHOA THERE FATES UNVOTING DARLA CAUSE SHES V/LA? ITS CUASE HE WANTS DARLA MISLYNCHED TOMORROW AND BUB MISLYNCHED TODAY

This is bullshit. I'm checking your ISO

Fate · Post Post #878 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:25 pm

Your ISO is even worse.

Bub's Vote on Darla (#69): Appears as a town vote on scum or town. +Town points to Bub.

This is the only line you have on Bub. What REASON do you have to believe that BOTH Darla and Bub are town and I'm just lining up mislynches? ALSO what kind of crack are you smoking (same as Yos apparently) if you think I would as SCUM not just let this Marble mislynch rollthrough?

LOL.

I was about to go to sleep having unvoted one of my town reads and leave it there but that is too funny.

mega vote: werewolf

Are you serious?!?!? LIKE SERIOUS???!??!

This is where you said you unvoted one of your town reads, aka ME. Me unvoting Darla changes that, why?

Because Fate had been gunning for Darla for so long, and let a V/la/stalling make him unvote? I don't buy it. Regardless of the reason attached to Darla's stalling. Add Fate's fake claim onto that and I'd put Fate in my top two scum picks.

I had been gunning for her for how long? I've wanted her to provide content since the start of day and then some, but I've been GUNNING for people actually here, till it turned out they were likelytown (Yos), all the while hoping Darla would show up, then she comes in with a tearjerker and I switch to BUBS who I've also had mixed feelings on in awhile and his play today had been only downhill.

The way you're spinning this yarn is scummy as fuck all, who did you replace>

Fate · Post Post #879 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:28 pm

HMmm well if it wasnt Striker, the guy Nikanor had gut-doubts about way back when.

Hmm indeed sir.

DavidParker · Post Post #880 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:09 pm

fate wrote:the guy Nikanor had gut-doubts about way back when

Really? You have all my recent iso to use against me, and you use this? REALLY?

Empking · Post Post #881 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:39 pm

Vote Count 35

1. bobsnox
2. DarlaBlueEyes (1) - Jahudo
3. werewolf555
4. DLG
5. Jahudo
6. Bub Bidderskins (5) - Fishythefish, DLG, llamarble, Fate, bobsnox
7. Fishythefish
8. Brokenscraps
9. DavidParker
10. Fate (4) - Yosarian2, werewolf555, Bub Bidderskins, DavidParker
11. Yosarian2
13. llarmable

Not Voting: brokenscraps, DarlaBlueEyes

With 12 alive its 7 to lynch

Fate · Post Post #882 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:35 am

DavidParker wrote:
fate wrote:the guy Nikanor had gut-doubts about way back when
Really? You have all my recent iso to use against me, and you use this? REALLY?

I did go through your Iso, nice way to dodge all the points I made.

AND YEAH, I trust gut, and I know Nika was town and a good player, that and this rrecent bs is enough to make me rethink my read on you.

Jahudo · Post Post #883 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:16 am

Bub vs. Fate, I don't have either as scummy (my picks are darla, david and fishy, with broken as extra gut read) but I'll iso them anyway.

werewolf555 · Post Post #884 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:23 am

If we're looking at DP, he had a

major

over-reaction to my vote on him.

werewolf555 · Post Post #885 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:25 am

DavidParker wrote:LOL.

I was about to go to sleep having unvoted one of my town reads and leave it there but that is too funny.

mega vote: werewolf

Are you serious?!?!? LIKE SERIOUS???!??!

DavidParker wrote:hypersensitive?? overblown? That was me laughing my ass off. I'd go with overblown, but it wasn't hypersensitive. I found his whole post hilarious. The case he made on me was so hilariously poor and scummy and just factually incorrect that he warranted my vote. Yes it was an OMGUS. But an OMGUS on the scummiest thing I'd seen at that point.

It is factually correct if you look at the game.

werewolf555 · Post Post #886 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:25 am

and not try to mis-represent
something scum do a lot

bobsnox · Post Post #887 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:40 am

werewolf your posts are scanter than mine...

not good

Fate · Post Post #888 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:41 am

werewolf555 wrote:If we're looking at DP, he had a
major
over-reaction to my vote on him.

If Bub flips scum DP gets a bullet through the head for justifying his vote on my counter wagon.

That should be enough for you.

DavidParker · Post Post #889 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:38 am

werewolf555 wrote:
DavidParker wrote:LOL.

I was about to go to sleep having unvoted one of my town reads and leave it there but that is too funny.

mega vote: werewolf

Are you serious?!?!? LIKE SERIOUS???!??!

DavidParker wrote:hypersensitive?? overblown? That was me laughing my ass off. I'd go with overblown, but it wasn't hypersensitive. I found his whole post hilarious. The case he made on me was so hilariously poor and scummy and just factually incorrect that he warranted my vote. Yes it was an OMGUS. But an OMGUS on the scummiest thing I'd seen at that point.
It is factually correct if you look at the game.

I even iso'd myself in that game because I didn't believe I had ever played a cautious-town game. And I'm not quite sure I agree with you here.

Bub Bidderskins · Post Post #890 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:52 am

Fate wrote:I've already answered that question and it would be apparent to anyone actually KEEPING UP with this thread.

Now its up to you to decide if it makes sense coming from town or scum, though it looks like you care more about mislynching thann finding scum

It won't kill you to repeat it, then. What were you trying to acomplish?

Jahudo wrote:Bub, what's your Fate scumtell?

I'll tell you once Fate answers my question.

Empking · Post Post #891 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:11 am

brokenscraps has been prodded

Fate · Post Post #892 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:04 am

I WAS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OFF MARBLE BECAUSE I THINK HE'S TOWN.

THERE YOU GO YOU FUCKIN SCUMBAG, NOW DIE

Bub Bidderskins · Post Post #893 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:17 am

Fate wrote:I WAS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OFF MARBLE BECAUSE I THINK HE'S TOWN.

THERE YOU GO YOU FUCKIN SCUMBAG, NOW DIE

You were that sure that Llamarble was town? Sure enough to try a fake cop soft-claim?

DavidParker · Post Post #894 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:30 am

Well, the thing that gets me about Fate's "claim" was just that. He didn't quite claim. He could have fake-cop-claimed to derail Llama's wagon; but he didn't, he just hinted that he had role-related information that Llama was town. Similarly, he could have just said nothing of his role-information or lack there of, and said he was almost certain that Llama was town based on the way Llama had been playing or for whatever reason, but he did not. He went for the in-between option with his soft-claim. I just don't see the logic behind a town player doing the in-between soft-claim. It just looks bad, and doesn't help town. The second option I definitely see town doing, and while fake-claiming cop definitely isn't pro-town, I still see town-motive for it at times as something to do on occasion.

Fate · Post Post #895 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:34 am

Yes Bud, you gonna respond to the rest of the posts now?

DP, I TRIED calling Marble obvtown for pages and pages and the wagon on him WOULDN'T STOP so yeah, I softclaimed. Now that you've dodges the rest of my points AGAIN I'm very certain you jumped on my wagon in an attwmpt to save your buddy Buds. Your logic is just too forced

DavidParker · Post Post #896 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:39 am

IGNORED WHATTTTTT

Fate · Post Post #897 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:40 am

Fate wrote:Your ISO is even worse.

Bub's Vote on Darla (#69): Appears as a town vote on scum or town. +Town points to Bub.
This is the only line you have on Bub. What REASON do you have to believe that BOTH Darla and Bub are town and I'm just lining up mislynches? ALSO what kind of crack are you smoking (same as Yos apparently) if you think I would as SCUM not just let this Marble mislynch rollthrough?

LOL.

I was about to go to sleep having unvoted one of my town reads and leave it there but that is too funny.

mega vote: werewolf

Are you serious?!?!? LIKE SERIOUS???!??!
This is where you said you unvoted one of your town reads, aka ME. Me unvoting Darla changes that, why?

Because Fate had been gunning for Darla for so long, and let a V/la/stalling make him unvote? I don't buy it. Regardless of the reason attached to Darla's stalling. Add Fate's fake claim onto that and I'd put Fate in my top two scum picks.
I had been gunning for her for how long? I've wanted her to provide content since the start of day and then some, but I've been GUNNING for people actually here, till it turned out they were likelytown (Yos), all the while hoping Darla would show up, then she comes in with a tearjerker and I switch to BUBS who I've also had mixed feelings on in awhile and his play today had been only downhill.

The way you're spinning this yarn is scummy as fuck all, who did you replace>

Fate · Post Post #898 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:41 am

Fate wrote:Voting a person who is V/LA is pointless, its counter-productive, I can't remember a game as town where I've left my vote on someone not here since I can't PRESSURE them.

YOU on the other hand have had weird as fuck transitions, lashing out at random at the most inane things.

First it was: Fate's a town read, I'm not really reading the thread my brain is much
Then: Fate's caught in a lie? Vote: ok
Then: Ok good, Fate is one of my biggest town reads, its good I dont need to vote him anymore.
Then: LOLWEREWOLF YOU TRYING TO META ME? YOURE SCUMMMMMMMMMM
Then: WHOA THERE FATES UNVOTING DARLA CAUSE SHES V/LA? ITS CUASE HE WANTS DARLA MISLYNCHED TOMORROW AND BUB MISLYNCHED TODAY

This is bullshit. I'm checking your ISO

In particular I nwant you to elaborate how UNVOTEPARKING someoone who's v/la is a scumtell

DavidParker · Post Post #899 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:46 am

IGNORING YOU TRY TO DIRECT A VIG???

Oh right, your little commentary on my catchup:
1) Your whole "as scum why wouldn't I let the marble mislynch roll through" is a largely WIFOM based argument. There's always scum motive to do something that makes you seem town. Derail a wagon on a townie. Who says it's even a mislynch? Maybe you are playing some HUGE gambit to save your partner.
2) Your not a town read anymore? oh dear. reads can change.
3) Spinning yarn? You seem to just be pushing cases on players, testing the water. First with Yos, then with Darla, now with Bub.

Preview Edit: It's not a scum tell on its own. What I find scummy about it (not a scum tell persay though), is that you were already voting Darla despite Darla not being there and posting, and having been missing for a day or two. How's that any different to a V/LA, just that it hasn't been declared.. Declaring a v/la isn't really any different to just not posting in a game. One can easily lie about the former.